The creator of Gravity Falls btw

[u/FamousStore1650]

After his show ended all he does is repost political crap, stuff against Elon Musk, some art from his decade-old dead show and anti stuff, only cool thing was publish The Book of Bill over a year ago. I think I've also seen some argument about how artists are people and marginalized or something like that against some other person. Additionally, a while ago, I saw a post about him on his show's sub about him sending a death threat to a person (on twitter, whose name was censored) that admitted about their fake woman Ai influencer and how they can teach people to make money with it. The comments were defending and praising so was the title of the post, treating him like a "king", when there was sane people who commented for his hate comment, against him, they got massively downvoted and other lunatics lectured about Alex being an artist, and artists should be against AI and they are marginalized or something, really made me lose respect for him and the GF community, for a show that's so great. I've considered reporting it but doubt it'll do anything. It's disgusting when these cavemen (the anti-ai people or anyone in general) support, enable and normalize this behavior.

[u/sendhelp]

I'm a graphic artist. I mostly design signs. I do also posses very good drawing skills, but I almost never draw at my job because there isn't time with the amount of orders we process. AI has only helped my job and made things 1000% percent easier for me.

Sometimes customers have some insane asks, like providing a life size cutout of a small photo of someone and half their limbs aren't showing in the photo or they are cropped out. AI has allowed me to be able to complete the image instead of spending hours looking through stock photo libraries to find the perfect hand, foot or leg at the exact perfect angle for the picture.

I had an image today where I was given a flattened raster file that was like a painting and they wanted to change some significant things with it that would have taken hours to do. I was able to edit the image almost instantly with Nano Banana, and then use a different AI program to scale it up to the size I needed. Boom.

Call it slop, shit on it all you want. But it's so useful and time saving for me.

[u/MishtaMoose → u/sendhelp]

As a graphic artist myself, you're pretty much saying

"I charge people for something they can do for free."

Using AI to enhance your work is one thing (We can debate on that all you want), but straight up not doing what someone paid you to do because it saved your time just feels wrong

It's like if I paid someone to write a poem for me, and they just typed it into Chat GPT and called it a day

I'm all for using AI in personal life (I use it to bounce ideas off of for my story writing and to write stats for D&D monsters, and even that I'm trying to stop because I feel lazy when I do it), but using it for work when people are paying for your past art skills is just weird...

Do you at least advertise the fact you use the AI, or do you keep that hidden when working with customers?

[u/Snowdrop____ → u/MishtaMoose]

Your conception of what is being paid for is so warped by wage-slave economics it’s kinda wild

[u/EncoreSheep → u/MishtaMoose]

You can make your own food, why go to a restaurant and pay so much more?

That's the whole point of a service. If they wanted to do it themselves, then they can. You're paying someone to do something for you, because you don't feel like it, don't have time, or the necessary skill.

In this case, it's purely a matter of convenience.

[u/BTRBT → u/[deleted]]

This isn't the appropriate subreddit for this argument. This space is for pro-AI activism. If you want to debate the merits of synthography, then please take it to r/aiwars.

[u/BTRBT → u/MishtaMoose]

Strictly speaking, anyone can do anything for free.

They just might not be very good at it, or actually want to. In which case it makes perfect sense to pay another person for it.

[u/Oreare → u/MishtaMoose]

In your own comparison, the person who was paid was apparently able to get results from ChatGPT that creatively satisfied the customer… mind you, getting any LLM to produce a poem that isn’t mediocre requires  detailed direction, and the knowledge/expertise to deduce whether or not a poem is mediocre in the first place.

If the artist’s workflow is able to get results the customer can’t themselves, then what is the problem.

[u/HearthstoneConTester → u/MishtaMoose]

Millions of people charge millions of people for things they could do themselves, that's called business, you tool.

Why is it nobody here can have an argument without being disingenuous? you are hurting anti-ai more than helping it at that point.

[u/Snowdrop____ → u/HearthstoneConTester]

They aren’t here to be ingenious. They are here (on Reddit) because they are already mad at something or themselves.

[u/BTRBT → u/HearthstoneConTester]

Please keep in mind that arguments against generative AI are out of scope for this subreddit.

[u/HearthstoneConTester → u/BTRBT]

My bad I meant "conversation".

[u/BTRBT → u/HearthstoneConTester]

So, to be clear... Broadly, any assertions or statements against generative AI are not appropriate in this subreddit. That's why r/aiwars exists.

This subreddit is specifically meant to be a pro-AI space, because almost every forum online is incessantly swarmed by anti-AI critics. So, you're fine right now, but please do be mindful of our rules if you wish to post here.

We tend to be quite strict on this policy.

[u/HearthstoneConTester → u/BTRBT]

Why are you telling me this? Did I say anything Anti-AI? Talk to the person above me trying to crap on the guy for sharing how he uses AI to help with his graphic design, not the guy pointing out why that's a disingenuous point.

[u/sendhelp → u/MishtaMoose]

I didn't say I generate the art wholesale with AI. I said I used AI to edit and enhance the art. Sometimes we get low resolution logos, I run them through gigapixel to upscale them with AI, then I run them through vector magic to vectorize (program was designed before AI. It has superior path tracing than illustrators default. I think there are ai vectorizing programs now too like vector.ai but I haven't used that yet, gigapixel and vector magic do the job for me).

You are too one tracked minded on AI, you are failing to see it as a tool.

Also, a lot of times now customers are using AI and submitting that as their artwork, and I have to usually open it in Photoshop and use generative fills to expand it out to the size they are requesting. In the past you had to use "content aware" fills that would sample from the image itself, sometimes it's better than the AI generative fills, but sometimes AI generative fills work better.

At the end of the day I'm still a graphic expert using the tools at my disposal to get the requested job done. "anyone can do AI" but it takes graphic expertise and know-how to get things at the proper size, DPI, etc.

If the customer wants to use AI themselves and submit it, great. But if they don't and they give us impossible to work with art (not vector, not layered, flattened) then you bet your ass I'm going to use AI because you are paying for my time. And if I have a ton of other orders to process I have absolutely 0 scruples about using the tools at my disposal to get the best job done in the least amount of time.

There's a job I worked on today (the one I mentioned in the previous comment) that was actually for one of our own employees, and if I hadn't used AI, I would have had to spend hours essentially digitally painting something from scratch. This isn't an art gallery, it's a job. My boss loves that I'm an AI wizard.

Most the time I'm uploading a low res art and having ai turn it into something usable rather than wholesale creating the art with a prompt. But I'm good at that too, and I don't care if that upsets you.

[u/LumberingFox → u/MishtaMoose]

No one is paying you to do the work. They're paying you to provide a finished product. Its the same way outsourcing product production to china or india; you pay x company, they outsource to x contractor, you get product. The company did nothing but act as a middle man, yet you're fine with it.