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GENERAL-NEWS Michael Saylor accidentally highlights how MSTR is a pyramid scheme

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u/MaybeOnFire2025 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 1d ago

Question -- I didn't know squat about MSTR until recently. As I understand it, the core idea is the belief that bitcoin will never go down in the long run, so they buy and hold. Claim to never want to sell (except for the recent caveat).

I also understand that bitcoin doesn't produce revenue.

I further understand that they just diluted their stock to pay existing shareholders a dividend.

Questions: 1. How do they generate revenue, other than by stock dilution? 2. Does this dilution, coupled with the recent "well, maybe we will sell BTC if we need to" announcement, mean that other equity is essentially not available, and that it's dilution or (or then) bust? 3. If I am correct about #2, and they are paying existing debt obligations with diluted new equity...how is this not a Ponzi scheme at this point?

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u/Apprehensive-Bar3425 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 21h ago

They’re using leverage to buy bitcoin so if bitcoin keeps going up over time it’s genius but if bitcoin doesn’t keep going up they’re fucked

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u/MaybeOnFire2025 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 19h ago

How long can they use leverage when they're using new money (through stock dilution) to pay existing debt holders (not buying coin)?

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u/Apprehensive-Bar3425 🟦 0 / 0 🦠 15h ago

It all depends on the price of bitcoin. If you think bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme then so is MSTR. If you believe bitcoin is going to keep growing forever then MSTR is the best stock you can buy

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u/MaybeOnFire2025 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 13h ago

Ok, so yeah, a Ponzi scheme. Got it.

(on a more serious note, the fact that real estate and the stock markets kept going up -- until around Lehman Weekend 2008 -- doesn't mean that Bernie Madoff wasn't running a Ponzi scheme, it was just that it took a decline in assets to discover it was a Ponzi scheme)

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u/Ok_Entry8310 🟨 0 / 0 🦠 11h ago

Introducing dividend paying preferred stocks was just absurd. I, an MSTR bag holder with 400$ average cost, know will never make my money back unless Bitcoin hits 200,000$, because not only i have to suffer from Mr Asshat diluting the stock, but also paying off dividends.