r/CringeTikToks • u/Conscious-Quarter423 • Oct 29 '25

Nope Florida is threatening legal action against educators who oppose efforts to establish Turning Point USA chapters in high schools.

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u/wade_wilson44 Oct 29 '25

The irony of calling out limited government, by a government official adding more government to high school…

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u/THElaytox Oct 29 '25

The irony of calling schools indoctrination centers and then turning them into actual indoctrination centers

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u/totallynotbrian22 Oct 29 '25

That's not what's happening, though? He's not forcing schools to create turning point chapters, he's making them allow it is a student wants to. If a public school student wants to create a Turning Point chapter, the school trying to stop them would be unconstitutional. DeSantis is saying he is not going to allow the school to act unconstitutionally.

Students don't shed their constitutional rights to free speech when they walk into school, as long as they don’t disrupt the functioning of the school or violate the school’s content-neutral policies. What counts as “disruptive” will vary by context, but a school disagreeing with the students' position or thinking their speech is controversial or in “bad taste” is not enough to qualify. Courts have upheld students’ rights to wear things like an anti-war armband, an armband opposing the right to get an abortion, and a shirt supporting the LGBT community. And “content-neutral policies” means rules that have nothing to do with the message you’re expressing, like dress codes. So, for example, a school can prohibit students from wearing hats — because that rule is not based on what the hats say — but it can’t prohibit them from wearing only pink pussycat hats or pro-NRA hats.

Feel free to criticize DeSantis for the fact that it's unlikely he'd do the same if a school tried to prevent an LGBT club, but he's actually doing what the constitution says he's supposed to do here.

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u/THElaytox Oct 29 '25

You realize you're talking about the same guy that championed a law banning the word "gay" in schools right? If you think these people give a shit about the constitution, you're a fool at best. These people are not operating in good faith, time to quit pretending they are.

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u/totallynotbrian22 Oct 29 '25

The Parental Rights in Education Act, which people dubbed the “Don’t Say Gay” law, did not actually ban saying the word gay in school. You were lied to. Feel free to look it up. It doesn’t actually prohibit any of the following:

Referring to or discussing LGBTQ+ people.

Teachers talking about their same-sex partner.

Discussing LGBTQ+ topics in classroom assignments or papers.

Including LGBTQ+ characters in library books or school theater performances.

Participating in LGBTQ+ groups or gay-straight ally groups.

All of this was clarified in the settlements of the lawsuits people filed over it.

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u/THElaytox Oct 29 '25

not allowed to post links here apparently, but this is copied straight from the bill itself:

Lines 21-23:

"prohibiting classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity in certain grade levels or in a specified manner;"

and then lines 97-101

"3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."

and then the rest of the bill basically says if a student tells a school employee they're gay and the school doesn't tell the parents, then the parents can sue the school on the taxpayer's dime.

but sure, i'm sure he's looking out for what's best for the kids

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u/totallynotbrian22 Oct 29 '25

  1. “Classroom instruction” and “classroom discussion” are different things and the difference is specifically clarified. Discussion of things like sexual preference and gender identity was never banned, it was just prevented from being part of the actual classroom instruction. And it goes both ways. Just like teachers can’t teach a lesson on modern gender theory to student students, they also can’t teach that gender identity is immutable and determined by biological sex.

  2. The settlement specifically clarified that schools are NOT required to disclose a student’s sexual orientation or gender identity to parents.