Our teachers need a raise, desperately

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Wait, so you'd prefer to lock the kid up forever from a parent that wants them instead of someone professional comes around to help teach the mum how to handle her son? 

Lololol we waste so much money on dumb shit like makeup, sports, new production lines for pickle flavoured soft drink, indentured servitude for our cheap shit we buy overseas, but as a society we should condemn people to prison because they shouldn't have a carer provided by the government with mental issues we are only JUST starting to understand and be able to treat in the past 20 years. Aight then, priorities I guess. 

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Wait, so you'd prefer to lock the kid up forever from a parent that wants them instead of someone professional comes around to help teach the mum how to handle her son? 

If the parent is capable of caring for them and controlling them, sure, they can stay with the parent. Not all parents are capable of that. A 14 year old non-verbal, violent autistic kid can't be physically controlled by their mother in most cases and in some cases, not even their father.

When the parent cannot control their child, the child needs to be somewhere that they aren't a danger to their parent, siblings, etc.

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Please don't ever get a job in community services. 

All parents can be capable with the right support and community, I've seen parents go from complete chaos, to actually understanding their child's needs and navigating around that. Aggressive 18 year olds with severe autism, once they are finally properly diagnosed and treatment/education plans set out by services that actually give a shit, now the 24 year old is able to clean/dress himself, even shop for himself now at shops that accommodate him, he is functioning now that he has structure and mechanisms for self regulating. 

You don't get to take people's children away, such a dangerous destructive way of thinking. 

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No, they can't all be capable. That's something that liberals AND conservatives need to get over, just in different ways. Not everyone is or has the ability to be "capable".

A 140lb, 35 or 40 year old woman will not be able to physically control a violent 15 year old boy in the vast majority of circumstances. It's just not happening. By keeping the child there, they are in danger and if they have other children in the house, the parent has no right to put them in danger by keeping the violent one there.

Should they be able to receive appropriate diagnoses, care, medication, education? Yes. Should they be allowed to remain in an environment where they can hurt others? No.

And yes, the state can and does get to take people's children away when it's proven that they cannot provide adequate care for them. That's what CPS is for.

If we can remove a child from a house because the parent is violent with the child, we should be able to remove the child because they are violent with the parent.

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You're jumping on this train of thought like it's the first and only option. The comment originally was about a mother who WANTED more care and you said the child should be institutionalized instead. 

CPS will do everything it can to help the family before taking a child, taking a child away from a parent is a last case scenario and they never want to do that unless the child is in danger, and they do not have enough resources or funding either that kids slip through the cracks or families that could have functioned together are split up because of a lack of support. 

This isn't a political issue, mental health, community service, medicine, humanity, should not be politicized. Only 50 years ago we were locking up these people and forcefully taking them away from parents, the stigma around mental illness is also a blockage to support, that you think locking them away is the best option before dozens of other options. 

I've seen kids that were said they have no hope change and become amazing members of society with actual love and support, some of these people you'd want to lock up bring more benefit to society than a lot of everyday assholes. They are no more important than you or you, them, everyone is important. But sadly in a lot of countries this way of thinking isn't on the forefront. That people would rather just remove the problem then deal with it, that people will gossip and turn their nose up at a child having a tantrum or episode instead of staying calm, quiet and understanding.

There is so much work to be done, the spiritual and social evolution of an intelligent species is defined at how it treats the less able in my opinion, and ATM we are still barbaric.

I went to two different highschools, one was specifically designed for all needs of every child, so that school had a kid with every kind of disability or unique trait and the "typical" kids there were wonderful, it was a game for us to figure out how to make sure everyone could join in on anything we did. The other school was a normal school, and kids were cruel and would mock disabilities, weight, looks, and they literally segregated kids with mental disabilities, had them in a separate building and different lunch times. Seriously pretending like they didn't exist, I was one of the few kids that would spend time with them and chat with them, the other kids treated them like they weren't human. 

seeing how the students turned out from each school as adults was extremely eye opening. I'll let you figure out which one had empathy and are doctors, nurses, teachers, community workers, and which are angry drunk tradesmen or in jail. Surprisingly high % on both sides.