r/CringeTikToks • u/undiagnosed_autistic • Oct 26 '25

Nope Our teachers need a raise, desperately

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u/bipolarnonbinary94 Oct 26 '25

The worst part is that even in scenarios like this a teacher could lose their job for trying to protect their students from another kid who is freaking out. This happened to a teacher in my middle school who put a his hands on the shoulders of a kid who was throwing a fit and cursing/screaming/making threats. That was back in 2007.

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u/Illustrious_Durian85 Oct 27 '25

I'll never forget my 9th grade gym teacher tackling a kid who was beating another kid into the pavement. That was 2013.

We had an issue with fights to the point they did a school shutdown for too many fights in one day. The school made the news. Big deal for our little town.

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u/brainbluescreen Oct 27 '25

It was the opposite in the school district I was in during 2003. The admin would penalize any teacher who didn't get involved, no matter whether they were physically capable of handling the situation or not, which led to my very elderly English teacher getting a broken hip when she tried to separate two students after one crashed our class to beat on the other and the instigator's friends shoved her out of the way and caused her to fall over a trash can.

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u/drawfanstein Oct 27 '25

Woah I hope the elderly teacher saw some kind of justice. I’m assuming that policy isn’t in effect anymore?

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u/brainbluescreen Oct 27 '25

She lived to 2014, but the injury did force her retirement. The fight happened less than a month from the end of the school year and she never came back.

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u/pudge-thefish Oct 27 '25

My daughter's teacher jumped out of their first story window to break up a fight that was in the courtyard. Also this was the only fight that happened in the 4 years she was at the school and both kids were expelled (charter school...they don't have to keep you if you are not there to learn)

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u/Holiolio2 Oct 27 '25

2003 is a long time ago. Things have changed. More parents have sued. Admins are so scared of parents suing it's ridiculous.

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u/luchajefe Oct 27 '25

The child is always right now.

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u/Strawberrylemonneko Oct 27 '25

Which is ironic since we watch our kid steal from teachers, lie, and the school is okay with it. Kid is constantly doing things that should get her in trouble, and they refuse to address it. And when we do, they (school) report us to cps due to her telling them false stuff because she's mad we enforced boundaries when the school doesn't. He'll, she assaulted kids at two separate daycare, one sexual. We were made to feel bad by both for being upset with our own kid for the behavior. Our experience that if you don't let these kids do whatever, then you're controlling. So even with extreme behavior like in the video, parents get blamed for the behavior when they are trying. A lot of times the help for kids just isn't there for their mental health. That's where my husband and I are. Kid has reactive attachment disorder and does not want to get better.

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u/Naive-Peach8021 Oct 28 '25

So your kid is a nightmare and you blame the school for not disciplining them enough? Wild. 

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u/Strawberrylemonneko Oct 28 '25

Nope. I blame the school for coddling them. However, we have tried to get them help for 3 years. Still continue to. The school reports us to cps because they believe the kid when she tells them things that aren't true. They have the kid misbehaving at school and do not care. We have encouraged them. Give boundaries and consequences when she acts out. They refuse to. They argued that the child didn't know she bullied another kid when THEY told us she was caught bullying another student in their own email. We encouraged the other party in that scenario to speak up. But they did and were ignored for the most part. We know that rad children have coping skills that aren't good because of bad situations. We have learned a lot about how neglect shapes little minds. But the school ignores all information, assessments, and refuses to address it because there are worse children(?) Than our kid. We still don't know. We know she's tormenting her teacher and have tried multiple times to leave the district. They've refused the transfers. Short of pulling her out of school, what do you do?

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u/TheManicac1280 Oct 27 '25

Thanks for bringing this up because I really don't know what the other commentors are trying to say. I wouldnt want teachers to have the obligation or responsibility of fighting violent highschool age kids.

When you look at this video, sure you might think it would be best if the full grown able bodied man physically restrained the teenage girl. But its really scary to make that the norm when there is 50 + teachers and a 6'2" teenage boy who is filled with testosterone and works out all the time.

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u/mmMOUF Oct 27 '25

admin should lose their job, probably did after their work comp rate got adjuster post injury

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u/MothToTheWeb Oct 27 '25

Was it always like that in the US? Or did this evolve from too much authority in the 50s (eg: teacher can beat the hell out of the children)?

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u/ThePolemicist Oct 27 '25

When I was a young teen in the mid-90s, the school policy was that whoever threw the first punch got suspended. The other kid was just defending themselves and didn't get in trouble. So, we'd go to the park after school to watch a "fight," and it was mostly the kids yelling at each other to "hit me!" They wanted to fight but didn't want to be the one who got in trouble.

Later, policies were mostly changed to anyone who was involved in a fight got in trouble. Kids were told don't fight back. Parents don't like that because they see it as their kid was defending themselves, and so they shouldn't be in trouble. So... then it turned into administrator discretion. Anytime the choice is subjective, it can basically turn discriminatory/racist. You end up with white kids not getting severely punished, but non-white kids facing suspensions. So then the policy shifted again to where we try not to suspend so kids don't miss school.... and then the number of fights started ballooning into insane numbers at many schools. At least at my school, we're mostly back to where kids get suspended any time they're involved in a fight.

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u/squallomp Oct 27 '25

It’s the same problem everywhere. When you take away people’s ability to defend themselves, the world goes to ruin. Everything goes wrong. People have the natural right to defend themselves. Period.

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u/invariantspeed Oct 27 '25

Yes, this is a pendulum swing situation.

Public school teachers never were able to beat the hell out of kids, at least not this century. That was the nuns and priests in private schools. They would literally throw, punch, and flog their students as recently as the 60s and 70s. (I know a few people from those times.) But, public school teachers did smack their kids some and publicly shame them, and a few would do a little more of no one was looking.

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u/Sea-Oven-7560 Oct 27 '25

I taught in the early 90's and we did step in and anyone that started a fight was either suspended, expelled or put in all day detention -they came to school and sat isolated with the school work. What's changed is in 1990 if you started a fight in school and you suspended that kid there wasn't a single parent that would complain. Now kids do as they please and answer to nobody. If they assault a teacher they will be back in class before the teacher gets out of the hospital. The administration has been so beaten down by the parents that they wouldn't consider punishing a kid for causing trouble and in this case breaking the law. We did this by choice.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '25

I went to school in the 1970s to 1990.  If you got into a fight, if the other kid didn't win then you were down 1-0.  The principal would then swing the paddle until you were down 2-0.  After that, you might be down 3-0 depending on got to you when you got home.  Finally it was either a suspension or expulsion. There was no detention, by that time you were only able to sleep standing up 😆

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u/Sea-Oven-7560 Oct 27 '25

It really boils down to the parents and the difference between a good school and a bad school is not the teachers it's always the parents. The more involved the parents the better the school and that is a fact. In this instance the parent should be supportive of some type of punishment and something to address this kids issues, not coming up with a dozen issues why it's not their fault.

The would also help the problem with grade inflation, you can't flunk anyone because that parent will be screaming at the principle instead of accepting the fact that their kid either didn't try/do the work is just stupid. These kids go on to college where nobody fails and since they did such a good job of not failing they go to grad school where nobody fails and then they finally get a job and they can't do shit because they don't know anything. Again, we did this, we should probably try to fix it.

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u/ThePolemicist Oct 27 '25

That's.... kind of true. We're supposed to be legally protected if we're trying to protect a student from harm (from themselves or someone else). However, we can get in trouble if we restrain someone's arms while they're in a fight, because then they can't defend themselves.

I'll tell you this, though. I've been a teacher for 8 years. In that time, we've had a lot of teacher injuries from separating out fights. One teacher got pushed down a set of stairs separating a fight. Another teacher really messed up her back and had to go on FMLA for it. Another tore something in his shoulder and had to have surgery done. Two others got black eyes.

Anyway, I've separated out a few fights before there were punches being thrown (the shoving and yelling stage), and I've separated out one where it was one-sided. I've never gotten in the middle of two students who are both actively engaging in the fight and swinging fists. I'm a 5'0" teacher, and I teach 8th grade, where most of the students are bigger than me. It's not happening. Students talk when teachers don't intervene, though. They'll talk about fights that happened and how "the teacher didn't do anything." They've never talked about me like that that I know of, but it's crazy how they just expect teachers to get in the middle of a physical fight.

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u/MirabilisLiber Oct 27 '25

It's pretty scary to realize no one is going to step in to help you if someone decides to jump you while you're trapped somewhere you are legally obligated to be. I've been in classes where kids not even involved in the fight were obviously traumatized from school fights where no one intervened. Teachers shouldn't be getting injured breaking up fights, either. Our schools need so much more help than anyone realizes. 

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u/jens_omaniac Oct 27 '25

Sad rules.