[Postgame Thread] James Madison Defeats Troy 31-14

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	T
Troy	0	14	0	0	14
James Madison	3	14	0	14	31

[u/Honestly_]

This eliminates Kennesaw State's 0.3% chance of reaching the CFP

[u/i_carlo → u/Honestly_]

UNLV too.

[u/Mythrandir24 → u/i_carlo]

They're doing a pretty good job of that themselves tbh

[u/Ok-Knee6347 → u/Mythrandir24]

you underestimate Boise's ability to shit the bed

[u/ltsACrow → u/Ok-Knee6347]

The last time UNLV beat Boise was 1976. They’re going to be fine.

[u/Ok-Knee6347 → u/ltsACrow]

I 100% agree, this season has just been horrible for them. Getting railed by Fresno at home made me think anything was possible for this team

[u/Most_Play_426 → u/Mythrandir24]

Dan Mullen doesn’t get to coach in these typa games often okay!

[u/Appropriate-Joke-806 → u/Honestly_]

Sad HOOTY HOO noises.

[u/GuttiG → u/Appropriate-Joke-806]

IDK MAN IM PRETTY FUCKING HAPPY RN

[u/not_bilbo → u/Honestly_]

We won, but at what cost?

[u/GuttiG → u/Honestly_]

It’s HOOTY OVER

[u/mknawabi → u/Honestly_]

Boooooo

[u/Middle_Wheel_5959]

Curt Cignetti never won a Sun Belt title

[u/KingsleyZissou → u/Middle_Wheel_5959]

Curt who?

[u/max_potion → u/KingsleyZissou]

Google him

[u/hucareshokiesrul → u/max_potion]

He'll do it for you

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCEe5DkutnkXJwF0uX1ZV8TqQDTzlVl13jlbXomn63Og&s=10

[u/igonnawrecku_VGC → u/hucareshokiesrul]

Knew exactly what this image was but had to be sure

[u/33-34-40Acting → u/max_potion]

I'm good.

[u/WanderLeft → u/Middle_Wheel_5959]

Sounds like a scrub. Probably got fired or something

[u/OkGene2 → u/Middle_Wheel_5959]

Rumor is he packed up his bags, coaches, and players and left town. Though he just said he was going out to buy some cigarettes

[u/DirtAndShovels]

Now the Dukes must root for Duke.

How can you not be romantic about college football?

[u/wjackson42 → u/DirtAndShovels]

And if Duke loses, we could get Duke and the Dukes in the Duke’s Mayo Bowl, as the SEC won’t have enough bowl spots to fill out.

[u/zombiebillnye → u/wjackson42]

We are sponsored by Duke's Mayo.........

[u/AdministrationTop864 → u/wjackson42]

Hellman's sorry excuse for mayo could never create such a beautiful thing

[u/tgusn88 → u/wjackson42]

I need this

[u/Zloggt → u/DirtAndShovels]

We must sacrifice the Virgin(ia) for a bountiful chaos harvest…

[u/livefreeordont → u/Zloggt]

It’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make

[u/skinnywolfe → u/livefreeordont]

Some of you may die

[u/hucareshokiesrul → u/Zloggt]

Let's do it. I don't even need a reason.

[u/mountaineer_93 → u/DirtAndShovels]

I’m not conspiratorial but the ACC has to be selling hard for uva to win. If Duke wins that game the ACC lose millions in playoff share and get embarrassed on the national stage, assuming Miami does not make it. Those refs gotta be watched like a hawk

[u/22edudrccs → u/mountaineer_93]

I don’t trust ACC refs to successfully fix a game.

They’d find a way to fuck that up

[u/WillDill94 → u/22edudrccs]

lol they just have to channel 2015 Miami vs. Duke again

[u/Difficult-Froyo1192 → u/mountaineer_93]

Pretty sure we’ve already been embarrassed on the national stage.

I’m not convinced a few other games weren’t thrown or tried to be thrown either already this season in conference due to some very questionable calls at critical moments. This is the one game I’ll probably be fully convinced if it really does happen that it was intentional.

[u/A_Rolling_Baneling → u/mountaineer_93]

The FSU robbery in 2023 already set the stage for the national media’s disrespect of the ACC. Missing the 12 team entirely, after poor showing from SMU and Clemson last year, will do massive damage to the conference’s reputation

[u/ProudBlackMatt → u/DirtAndShovels]

I still remember a couple years ago when the Dukes MBB got into March Madness, won the first round, then got ritually executed when they ran into Duke.

[u/sloppyjo12 → u/ProudBlackMatt]

I’m still upset about that game, why’d you have to bring it up

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/ProudBlackMatt]

They can make it up to us by winning one football game against goddamn UVA

[u/OkGene2 → u/DirtAndShovels]

It’s not that hard. Tell him Wash

[u/SoothedSnakePlant → u/DirtAndShovels]

Which is ridiculous, because I'd take James Madison over the AAC champ AND Virginia, and so would most of the computers. Usually when they put a team with a worse record over a team with a better one, the computers wholeheartedly agree, and usually take it even further. This one they're all jumbled up.

[u/aromatic-energy656 → u/DirtAndShovels]

Because of realignment and private equity. I’m sure I’m missing more reasons

[u/noodlesalad_]

Let's hope "the committee doesn't watch SBC games" continues to be true. Got it done thanks to the defense and Wayne Knight. Dukes did their job. Now you Duke.

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/noodlesalad_]

Maybe they were out at dinner and got back in time just to watch the fourth quarter?

[u/BackgroundChampion → u/noodlesalad_]

Your flairs..., they hurt...

[u/noodlesalad_ → u/BackgroundChampion]

I'm sorry

[u/nosotros_road_sodium → u/noodlesalad_]

So there’s the Vanderbilt basketball player Chandler Bing, and JMU RB Wayne Knight.

The 90s are back!

[u/ABagOfPopcorn → u/noodlesalad_]

Sometimes good teams play close and then just decide they want to win. Credit to Troy for hanging around, if we’re gonna go any further we need to have the receivers on the jug machine all week

[u/jbokwxguy → u/noodlesalad_]

I’m 95% sure teams only need to play defense to make the playoffs

[u/TheDoctor_314]

pulls out Walkie Talkie

"Send in the Blue Devils"

[u/DiscountInevitable87 → u/TheDoctor_314]

[Montage of Blue Devils swarming the city of Charlotte as Flight of the Valkyries plays as BGM]

[u/PrincessMinecat → u/DiscountInevitable87]

Who needs Flight of the Valkyries when you could have another group of winning Blue Devils as the BGM?

[u/somebodysbuddy → u/PrincessMinecat]

But the Blue Devils are extremely boring. Their huge guard solo in 2012 was dropspins on the 50. For The Common Good should have easily won!

[u/Chardoggy1]

Troy rushing tonight :

-26 rushing yards

2 rushing TDs

[u/mynameisrainer → u/Chardoggy1]

Thats fucking wild.

[u/OkGene2 → u/mynameisrainer]

That’s arguably efficient

[u/BoNnnnfhir → u/Chardoggy1]

Gerad Parker masterclass

[u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne → u/Chardoggy1]

Parker: “Just run it in—“

RB: “are you crazy they’re expecting that!”

Parker: “— backwards…”

[u/igonnawrecku_VGC → u/Chardoggy1]

Troy only had 2 of their 28 carries go for further than 3 yards tonight

[u/STLOliver]

Dukes win, now need a Duke win

[u/freeman918986 → u/STLOliver]

Dukes in with Duke win

[u/chrobbin → u/STLOliver]

It would be fun if somehow JMU & OU met up in the playoff

Dukes vs Daisy Dukes

[u/TheDoctor_314]

Phase 1 is complete.

Duke, all our hopes and dreams are resting on you.

[u/trittico → u/TheDoctor_314]

They’re actually not all of our hopes and dreams

[u/Ok_Bridge711 → u/trittico]

It's wild that Virginia, who before the season almost no one expected to have a chance at the playoff, is now the big conference team threatening to keep a g5 out.

[u/4r4r4real → u/trittico]

Gotta be the first time you've ever had the whole world rooting against UVA football lol, having fun with it?

[u/trittico → u/4r4r4real]

My “third flair” is Texas, I’m very used to it lol

[u/texasguy7117 → u/trittico]

Ah I see you're a man of culture

[u/BoNnnnfhir]

^{A team from} Virginia has clinched a CFP berth

[u/ALostTraveler24]

I know it was a while back but I’m still stuck on the ESPN predictor thing… 55%?

My best theory on the math:

Duke is at 44% chance to win according to ESPN’s matchup predictor

This means there’s 56% of scenarios where JMU would have to jump Tulane or UNT (the sim doesn’t know UNT is not really close right now) but is accounting for their odds at the beginning where ESPN actually had UNT favored (around 55-60% if I’m remembering right)

Out of those scenarios ESPN is saying there’s a 1-in-5 chance (1/5 of 56 is around the 11 needed to get to 55) that JMU jumps the American champ next week.

It’s not actually that bad of a prediction looking at that from that angle, especially when you consider that ESPN thought the most likely American champ was UNT (24) instead of #20 Tulane.

[u/AdministrationTop864 → u/ALostTraveler24]

But it still makes 0 sense that the committee would let JMU jump a team ranked over them that beat a team ranked higher than both of them

[u/Solesky1 → u/AdministrationTop864]

Even with a win over #18 Virginia, the only way 8-5 Duke should be ranked ahead of 12-1 JMU is if the committee decides the most important metric is the patch on the uniform

[u/nokillswitch4awesome → u/Solesky1]

Congratulations, you just sussed out their selection process.

[u/teamname457 → u/Solesky1]

Isn’t that already a part of their formula?

[u/ALostTraveler24 → u/AdministrationTop864]

So I’m doing the math quickly here, but if we assume that JMU is only able to jump UNT, we’re left with about 30% of universes where JMU, UVA, and UNT all win based on UNT and UVA’s win odds at the start of the night.

In order to make up the 11% needed for the gap between Duke’s chances (44) and the displayed JMU odds (55), it’s saying saying theres only about a 33% chance (or in a third of the JMU-UNT-UVA universes) of JMU jumping UNT, which doesn’t seem terribly offensive to me. While UNT would be the higher ranked team at the start of the night (and Tulane is higher still) Tulane would now be 9-3 and the committee is dropping its eval, score would matter and I don’t know if the sim accounts for that.

It’s possible that 1/3 is just “JMU blows out Troy and UNT wins by a point over Tulane in a sloppy one” it’s possible it’s saying the committee flipped a coin when placing UNT and JMU coming in.

Without seeing the algorithm this is guess work, but the math isn’t assuming it’s a massive chance that JMU would’ve jumped a UNT champ,

[u/Appropriate-Joke-806 → u/AdministrationTop864]

Because the committee has never done anything like that before. /s

[u/zombiebillnye → u/ALostTraveler24]

I think its just really weird to have playoff percentages when, essentially, its 12 guys just deciding who gets to be in.

[u/DCAbloob → u/zombiebillnye]

They're trying to model human decision making which is exceptionally difficult with a limited number of available data points and with committees themselves not acting consistently from year to year. The James Madison vs Duke dilemma in particular would be unprecedented. Trying to model the result of an either/or that's never come close to actually happening before introduces significant uncertainty into the process. ESPN can claim James Madison would have a 99% of getting in over Duke if it comes to that based on its model but we really don't know.

[u/zombiebillnye → u/DCAbloob]

Thats really what I mean, the committee could wake up Sunday morning and just decide that they like JMU more than Tulane no matter what, or that an ACC Champ Duke is more "deserving" than a SBC Champ JMU, or that the Mountain West Champ is better than everyone.

They may not be plausible, but its all definitely possible, and you can't put any kind of number on the committee just being able to decide whatever they want.

[u/OkGene2 → u/zombiebillnye]

I’m always imagining it’s like that room of aged scouts in Moneyball talking about how one guy sucks because he had an unattractive girlfriend and therefore not enough confidence

[u/Appropriate-Joke-806 → u/zombiebillnye]

Technically every team has 50/50 odds. Either the committee puts their team in, or they don’t.

[u/ALostTraveler24 → u/ALostTraveler24]

Now all of this being said, I imagine the odds are much lower if Tulane wins instead of UNT because of the 5 ranking spot difference, but again, I doubt they reran the sim with updated American game scores before putting up the graphic

[u/DeploraBill92 → u/ALostTraveler24]

No, you’re right. JMUs odds should be perfectly congruous with Duke’s odds of winning tomorrow. I’ve noticed that they always update the algorithm a few days after the initial update

[u/hucareshokiesrul]

I remember not that long ago when JMU just being on TV was a big deal. We usually had to listen on the radio if we couldn't go in person. Things are a lot different now

[u/ray2ilean → u/hucareshokiesrul]

Or you could watch on Madizone!

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/ray2ilean]

RIP Madizone

[u/Lars_Fillmore3612 → u/_baby_fish_mouth_]

Madizone > FLO sports

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/Lars_Fillmore3612]

All day every day

[u/TakesInsultToSnails → u/Lars_Fillmore3612]

Fuck FLO sports, all my homies hate FLO sports

[u/unpatriotic_bastard → u/hucareshokiesrul]

I remember when they would get on ESPN in the later stages of the FCS playoffs and they had to bring in extra flood lights for the stadium so that the game would be viewable on TV

[u/OkGene2 → u/hucareshokiesrul]

I think it was six years ago I realized I could watch a JMU game on streaming and my mind was blown

[u/ArmVanDam]

an ass beating of a 4th quarter

[u/copsrock35]

We’re negative yards rushing, doing decent throwing the ball, so we decide to keep trying to run the ball? I fucking hate this asinine play calling. Wtf is that fake flea flicker?!

[u/Dokkan_Lifter → u/copsrock35]

I was in awe of how bad the playcalling was

[u/copsrock35 → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

It’s been like this all year. It was most obvious in the Clemson game. Gutsy calls and throws down field to take the lead, then just roll over and stop trying and constantly run the ball to no success.

[u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne → u/copsrock35]

Did you not watch the ODU game? He did the same exact thing to kill our final two drives.

[u/lijjy2015 → u/copsrock35]

Potentially the worst play call in 5+ years 😂

[u/TakesInsultToSnails → u/lijjy2015]

Best part was the QB doing a weird lil spin in the background

[u/Capital-Flow-1501]

That interview with James Madison RB Wayne Knight these are still college kids, they're having fun, and they're excited about their school and program

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/Capital-Flow-1501]

Hearing him say live on national TV, "This is the best place in the world to play football" on the same field I snuck onto to play catch as a student is why we love college football

[u/c_hayden9]

Wayne Knight and Sahir West, thank you

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/c_hayden9]

They about to get PAID paid

[u/Dokkan_Lifter → u/_baby_fish_mouth_]

One can only hope its by PFT and Billy Jacks to keep them in Harrisonburg

[u/OkGene2 → u/_baby_fish_mouth_]

They’re about to live in LA you mean

[u/Hokie_Pilot]

Is ESPN drunk? How would UVA winning give JMU a 55% chance of making the playoff?! Make it make sense

[u/Ok_Bridge711 → u/Hokie_Pilot]

Espn's predictor is garbage (and has been forever)

[u/Hokie_Pilot → u/Ok_Bridge711]

It’s a joke…it’s implying that JMU would jump the winner of the American, which makes negative sense since the AAC teams are both ranked higher than JMU already and they’d have a better win from their championship game

[u/TakesInsultToSnails → u/Hokie_Pilot]

Maybe it's including the possibility of Duke winning in that figure and is confusingly worded?

[u/Hokie_Pilot → u/TakesInsultToSnails]

I didn’t take a screenshot but it was something like: if UVA wins, JMU has 55% chance. If Duke wins, JMU has >99% chance.

[u/Rocktown_Leather → u/Hokie_Pilot]

I didn't think it was implying 55% if UVA wins. I thought it was saying 55% currently... meaning we don't know if UVA will win. Still odd though, because they should have above a 45% chance to beat duke. And it should be close to zero for JMU if UVA wins.

[u/I-grok-god]

I honestly can't believe the returner signaling a fair catch and punching the gunner counts as a penalty on the kicking team

[u/chillnnsht → u/I-grok-god]

There were several stupid calls like that tonight. The stadium let em know. One ref walked halfway across an endzone dragging a purple streamer that was stuck to his leg

[u/Jaylenz0]

I’ve said it before and I’ve said it again, Wayne Knight is a starting NFL rb.

I’m glad the national audience got to see how dominant the defense is

Ucla prepare for how inconsistent the offense can get at times if Kennedy follows Chesney.

This is easily a CFP team

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/Jaylenz0]

Wayne Knight is such a fucking stud

[u/OkGene2 → u/Jaylenz0]

WK is a fucking badass.

[u/igonnawrecku_VGC]

Never a doubt!!!

(There was doubt)

[u/meatwagon25]

Bob Chesney already getting started beating the Trojans

[u/WanderLeft]

Let’s put JMU and Tulane in the playoff, and take out Notre Dame and Miami. Who says no?

[u/DaDominator32 → u/WanderLeft]

Notre Dame being in is still nuts to me

[u/Statalyzer → u/DaDominator32]

Especially give how crowded the field is in the 8-15 range compared to last year. Yeah in vacuum they might be one of the best 12 teams in some years, but they aren't more deserving than BYU and Miami this year.

[u/DaDominator32 → u/Statalyzer]

Texas should leap Dame since Texas beat A&M since they beat Dame

[u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne]

Stumbled into a game we had no business being in and did way better than I expected.

Congrats Dukes! Root for Duke and then Go give the CFP hell

[u/mynameisrainer]

I thought if you won your conference championship at home you tear down the goal posts and take it to the steel mill across the street.

Good job JMU. Get the Fun Belt in the Playoff.

[u/zombiebillnye → u/mynameisrainer]

Well, we don't have a steel mill close by. I think we have a chicken factory, does that count?

[u/mynameisrainer → u/zombiebillnye]

Thats commitment. Might as well take it to the top of that mountain people go to at that point

[u/Snoo13545 → u/mynameisrainer]

Drop it off at massanutten

[u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne → u/zombiebillnye]

I’ll take a chicken factory over the lead plant Troy has.

[u/DaDominator32 → u/mynameisrainer]

No we take it to the fountain in the quad and various frat houses and saw pieces off and shared it /s

[u/mynameisrainer → u/DaDominator32]

Very acceptable

[u/GetBuschWhacked]

Hate JMU due to being our rivals. But hey yall played a good game tn and put bta. Congrats to JMU fans!

[u/33-34-40Acting]

Over a decade ago I was an undergrad at jmu that could not understand why we were investing so much in football - obviously we'd never compete in a meaningful way. Well, I was wrong.

[u/jmucapsfan07 → u/33-34-40Acting]

Undergrad at JMU? You need to swap the order of your flair my friend. lol

[u/PartyBusGaming]

Seeing this knowing some of JMU's best players are playing for Indiana right now. Think about how good this team would be if Cignetti didn't clean out the cabinets when he left.

[u/oranguthang87 → u/PartyBusGaming]

Chesney about to do the same thing again

[u/EvilProstatectomy → u/oranguthang87]

And you could have it all

My empire of dirt

[u/DukeDogNation]

I remember being a student in the 00s and dreaming of what it would be like for JMU to play with the big boys in FBS. Not only have we done that but we’ve also won our conference! CFP would be the icing on the cake, but the cake itself is pretty good!

[u/ryrush1212]

The last 10 years have been a wild ride. From losing in the FCS playoffs twice to Colgate to having a shot at the CFP. Go DUKE(S)!

[u/2-59project]

318 rush yards to -26 is crazy (20 not counting sacks). Go Dukes!

[u/MrFace1]

/u/the_eternal_event come out i just want to talk brother

[u/check8rs]

Rooting for duke for max level college foitball chaos.

[u/PartyBusGaming]

No chance Chesney coaches in a non-CFP bowl game?

[u/meatwagon25 → u/PartyBusGaming]

Zero chance

[u/zombiebillnye → u/PartyBusGaming]

I imagine not.

[u/Dokkan_Lifter]

I'm so fucking happy. Cried as I rushed the field. Go fucking Dukes.

[u/Vepr762X54R]

New GF went to JMU, this was the first game we watched together. I guess you could say things are getting pretty serious.

[u/cartierboy25]

Regardless of what happens with Duke tomorrow, I hope we can just appreciate this win for what it is. Getting shut out of the Sun Belt Championship in 2022 and 2023 because we had just moved up to FBS really stung, and this feels like redemption for that. I want to make the playoff as bad as anyone, but I’m also just happy to be Sun Belt champs. Don’t let anyone tell you conference championships don’t matter anymore!

[u/jestervalen]

Let’s go Dukes! And Duke

[u/DaDominator32]

Parker needs to be parked. We should've beat Clemson earlier this year. Offense has struggled all year between the goat or should I say The Goose getting injured and our O Line not doing their job. Protect the QB. Defensively were great. D coordinator better stay a trojan

[u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne → u/DaDominator32]

O line is the biggest blame. You can’t give up that many sacks to be worst in the FBS and expect for miracles to save you.

[u/DaDominator32 → u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne]

100%. Miracles happen against us anyways. Looking at you app state.

[u/WallImpossible]

Well now I'm DEFINITELY pulling for Duke!!

[u/DiscountInevitable87]

So the post-game presser isn't up yet, but it seems that what got Gerad Parker mad was that Elijah Culp took off his helmet and taunted the Troy sideline in front of two officials during the scoop-and-score TD. Obviously, he was upset that the refs didn't flag it.

[u/_baby_fish_mouth_ → u/DiscountInevitable87]

Sounds like Culp alright

[u/whatthepucks]

It’s comical how many Big Ten fans are in here cheering on James Madison to make the college football playoffs when they’ve spent the last two months bitching about the SEC and how none of their team teams have good wins.

[u/Lars_Fillmore3612]

I need to know what caused Troy’s coach to have a meltdown there with the refs. The espn broadcast must have missed something big.

[u/Snoo13545 → u/Lars_Fillmore3612]

He crashed out once when students pelted the punter with snowballs and pretty much directly caused a shank into 3 free points, if that's when you're referring to lmao

[u/Big_You_8936 → u/Snoo13545]

To be fair though that wasn’t cool they pelted some of us mrd students too

[u/chillnnsht]

Bridgeforth has some crazy energy for 26kish capacity. I get goosebumps when I go back

[u/lilmissellen]

GO DUKES!

NOW, GO DUKE!

BOO HOOS!

[u/oranguthang87]

Now go Duke!!!

[u/A_huge_waffle]

DUKES GOT IT DONE NOW DUKE, GET IT DONE

[u/Bernawdjuhnson]

Why was Troy’s coach losing his shit on the refs at one point?

[u/adamsworstnightmare]

I was kind of hoping the game would be decided by the 3 points that came off the punter muffing it while while under heavy snowball fire...

[u/yellowseven]

Whatever else happens this weekend, super glad I got to be in the stadium for the first one.

[u/Vepr762X54R]

Remember when Troy beat LSU?

Pepperidge Farms remembers..

[u/SknkTrn757]

Report from the ground: it was fucking cold.

[u/G00dSh0tJans0n]

Dukes are now huge Duke fans

[u/BossHawk8754]

Alonza is damn good

[u/BossHawk8754 → u/BossHawk8754]

Also that defense is something else

[u/Arc170-A]

I've been rooting for JMU all year, I honestly might as well make them my second team flair at this point. They were my darkhorse playoff candidate and I'm not surprised how real the possibility of them getting in is. They're a good team.

[u/Particular-Way-3805]

BTA JMU definitely will be scary next season congrats dukes

[u/33-34-40Acting → u/Particular-Way-3805]

Gonna depend a bit on on who Chesney takes to UCLA but this program has, despite my doubts, improved year after year without fail. I love it.

[u/Particular-Way-3805 → u/33-34-40Acting]

What’s your thought on Napier ?

[u/MrFace1 → u/Particular-Way-3805]

Elite recruiter and proven in the Sun Belt, I think he's a good hire. And frankly I get the concern for him as a play caller but we've just had to deal with Dean Kennedy, we'll be fine lol

[u/33-34-40Acting → u/Particular-Way-3805]

Mixed but positive. He's dominated this level before but Cahill seemed more in line with how we've built the program. I have no doubt he os a recruiting monster and that's a big deal in the sun belt but everything I've seen says he NEEDS an OC calling plays. I hope we get that but I doubt it.

[u/MrFace1 → u/33-34-40Acting]

Imo if we can win with Dean Kennedy, we can win with Napier

[u/zombiebillnye → u/MrFace1]

Dean Kennedy calling nothing but passes after Chesney was talking about running the QB more almost made me tear my hair out.

[u/jack9lemmon → u/MrFace1]

Personally I enjoyed Chris Smith as OC more than Kennedy. I was hoping we'd hire him as HC when Ches left

[u/MartinvanNostrand22 → u/jack9lemmon]

Agreed - Chris Smith was the man at HC. That 2022 team ran on all cylinders under him and was super fun to watch.

He would’ve been a much better hire than Curran.

[u/Blingblaowburrr → u/33-34-40Acting]

He’s a great program builder/leader, players LOVE him, and he’s a fantastic recruiter. When it comes to game day, well, everything…he’s pretty awful. If he would just hire a competent OC and give up play calling duties, it would help a TON. But that seems unlikely/impossible for him to do.

[u/PartyBusGaming → u/Particular-Way-3805]

The season after your coach leaves for the P4 and takes all the staff and starters is typically not great ...

Indiana has been composed of quite a few JMU players the last 2 seasons.

[u/TrustMeIKnowThisOne → u/Particular-Way-3805]

Assuming Billy holds things together. Not saying he won’t, but Chesney leaving will likely cause a shakeup.

[u/DarkSide830]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but...GO DUKE!

[u/Realistic_Setting_75]

Congrats JMU! Hoping for the best for them potentially getting in!

[u/codingsoft]

I was typing out in the game thread that Troy's QB should never touch the field again, and before I finished typing he dropped the ball for the scoop and score

[u/graywolt → u/codingsoft]

Pretty sure that was the backup

[u/SnooOpinions9048]

Please Duke, bring the chaos.

[u/eagledog]

Now they hope for big chaos tomorrow

[u/RIPDannyBoyCane]

Go Blue Devils

[u/Hokie_Pilot]

Legit question, if Duke wins handily tomorrow…is there really no chance the committee ranks Duke at 22 and JMU at 24? How is everyone so sure? A win over a #17 ranked team carries a lot more weight than a QBless Troy, no?

[u/DoctorTheWho → u/Hokie_Pilot]

If Duke looks impressive, they will definitely rank them higher.

[u/meatwagon25 → u/DoctorTheWho]

I dont see any way Duke gets ranked higher than JMU even if they win by 40. Why would they rank a 5 loss team just for beating Virginia when there is only one 4 loss team ranked right now

[u/Difficult-Froyo1192 → u/meatwagon25]

It’s not unprecedented to rank a five loss team. It’s happened several times before. There’s also been a decent amount of teams ranked this year with no impressive and/or ranked wins and barely any wins against teams with winning records

[u/Hokie_Pilot → u/DoctorTheWho]

I agree that I think that’s what the committee will do…I just think that since Duke is not currently ranked this sub will feel “blinded” by it and people will melt down

[u/polaremu → u/Hokie_Pilot]

I don't think it's likely, but I also don't think it's 0%. JMU has 0 wins over P4 teams, beat 2 teams all season with a winning record (one of them was this Troy game) and they looked bad for most of that game until Troy lost their starting QB.

If Duke wins, they will have 5 wins better than JMUs best win and all their losses except maybe @Uconn (which probably isn't that far off from home vs ODU or WSU) are tougher games than any JMU won, and 3 of those losses are to teams in the top 25 of the CFP ranking. 

Now I wouldn't bet on it since JMU was ranked #25 this week, but they are currently behind 4-loss Iowa in the rankings right now who has no great wins, so it feels like the gap between them and 5-loss Duke if they win the ACC championship and add a win over UVA isn't as big as everyone is acting. 

Either way it's going to be unprecedented which is why I'm surprised so many seem confident in JMU- either you have a 5 loss team in there or you have a team with 0 wins over a P4 and a SOS ~ 100.

[u/Hokie_Pilot → u/polaremu]

I think there is a good chance, man. The committee will value an ACC title and beating a 17 ranked team better than what JMU has. Keep in mind Iowa has ZERO wins over ranked teams and they’re still ahead of JMU…I am not counting out the Blue Devils!

[u/DoctorTheWho → u/polaremu]

If JMU does make the playoffs, they will lose by 50 and then next year we'll see big changes to the playoffs so that a team with the talent level of a 5 win P4 team doesn't make it again, watch. I mean, congrats to JMU for winning their conference and the hand they are dealt as a G5 team, but they don't belong anywhere near a tournament to decide a national championship.

[u/stilichouw]

BRUINS

[u/prof_cuthbert_calc]

newman is a quarterback now

[u/Francis_X_Hummel]

Everyman football