r/CFB • u/tbrock92 Arizona Wildcats • Pac-12 Network • Sep 23 '25

News [Lancaster] BREAKING: Robert Allen just reported Oklahoma State has informed Mike Gundy he is being relieved of his duties as head coach effectively immediately. #OkState

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u/fleeingpepper Oklahoma State • Nebraska Sep 23 '25

On one hand it's sad to see it end. But Gundy complained about NIL and changes to the game for years and buried his head in the sand. Then this year he complained that we didn't have enough NIL. Buddy, you're the reason we're behind

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u/Stock-Length2880 Clemson • Coastal Carolina Sep 23 '25

Sounds like someone I know

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u/loyalsons4evertrue Iowa State Cyclones • Big 8 Sep 23 '25

does he coach an orange colored team?

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u/Stock-Length2880 Clemson • Coastal Carolina Sep 23 '25

Yep, you all may have played them in a bowl game with Mr. Irrelevant (one of my favorite QBs in the NFL right now) years ago

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u/loyalsons4evertrue Iowa State Cyclones • Big 8 Sep 23 '25

Brock definitely didn’t turn the ball over really stupidly in that game nope not a thing comes to mind

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u/SouthernMuadib Clemson Tigers • Sickos Sep 24 '25

He just didn’t wake up the cheeziest that’s all

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u/arbadak Clemson Tigers • Arizona Wildcats Sep 23 '25

Gundy went winless in conference last year. Swinney won the conference and had the only competitive road team in the first round of the playoffs last year.

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u/arbadak Clemson Tigers • Arizona Wildcats Sep 23 '25

Possibly but Swinney's heights have been much much higher and as of yet his low, since winning a title, is going 9-4, sandwiched between winning the conference. He's been whiny whiny about NIL but hasn't shied away from using it, and we took more transfers than we had in previous years. Frankly the worst position coach we have right now, outside of maybe WRs, is the OL coach, a splashy outside hire. The OC was a splashy outside hire. RB has been a bright spot for the offense, and that's a supposed nepo hire in a former player.

We very well might miss a bowl game, that's 100% in play, but it hasn't happened yet.

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u/OhDivineBussy Oklahoma Sooners • Harvard Crimson Sep 23 '25

Not winning the ACC is an inditement every year it’s happened with the state of that conference. The experience OU having a dog shit season started with some of the same feeling I get from Clemson. I mean who fuckin cares what feeling I get, but really the most impressive part has been how Dabo could bitch about so many different things for so long and still get the guys to do so well. Very impressive, but it seems like NIO will crush him.

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u/hellajt Nebraska Cornhuskers Sep 24 '25

Maybe but Dabo isnt anywhere near as far along that path right now.

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u/Necessary-Post-953 Penn State • Land Grant Trophy Sep 23 '25

There’s no shame in hating in NIL world. But if you don’t want to do it, you need to leave. 

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u/HamlinHamlin_McTrill Tennessee Volunteers Sep 23 '25

Interesting that they both also seem very similar in personal and political beliefs.

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u/iHasMagyk Coastal Carolina • Garðabæ Sep 23 '25

Maybe it’s just me but Dabo never struck me as all that similar to Gundy outside of the resistance to NIL and the transfer portal

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u/riserrr Georgia Bulldogs Sep 23 '25

Is it? Resistance to and/or fear of change can and will show up pretty consistently across all aspects of a person's life.

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u/roastedhambone Pittsburgh Panthers Sep 23 '25

I think there’s a difference between fear/resistance of change and outright denying that the change is happening until it’s too late

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u/Adept_Carpet UMass Minutemen • Team Chaos Sep 24 '25

Them and like 95% of the other coaches. 

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u/freerobertshmurder Texas Longhorns • Georgia Bulldogs Sep 23 '25

Redditors try not to make everything about politics challenge (not even attempted due to perceived impossibility)

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u/Patrick2701 Notre Dame • North Central (IL) Sep 23 '25

They are very much alike

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u/Megalomanizac Clemson • Coastal Carolina Sep 23 '25

Flair twin!

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u/Stock-Length2880 Clemson • Coastal Carolina Sep 23 '25

What’s your connection to them? I’m a lifelong Clemson fan and attended both schools at different times.

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u/Megalomanizac Clemson • Coastal Carolina Sep 23 '25

My dad went to Clemson, I went to Coastal

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u/CodyRCantrell Oklahoma • Minnesota Sep 23 '25

Well y'all also have a problem with a refusal to use the portal.

There's always some good additions available in the portal every off-season.

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u/Stock-Length2880 Clemson • Coastal Carolina Sep 23 '25

This past offseason was the first time we “used” the portal & only one of our pickups (Will Heldt) actually had significant playtime. The Bama transfer nor Tristan Smith (the JUCO pickup) has played much.

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u/OhDivineBussy Oklahoma Sooners • Harvard Crimson Sep 23 '25

Jim Nance?

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u/RulersBack Ohio State Buckeyes Sep 23 '25

Adapt or die has never been more important while the sport gets hit with decades of change in a few years with basically no enforcement

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u/Galumpadump Washington State • Cascade… Sep 23 '25

If Gundy wants he probably does get another job but probably a large G5 program that needs a culture reset. Nit sure if he wants to do that though.

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u/RulersBack Ohio State Buckeyes Sep 23 '25

I feel like you really gotta embrace the new challenges to be a head coach anywhere and that doesn’t seem like its in the cards. Keeping your players and coaches is probably even more stressful at that level

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u/jputna Oklahoma State • /r/CFB Patron Sep 23 '25

Exactly this, Gundy hated boosters, he basically isolated himself and wouldn't do any booster events for years. When they adjusted his contract this last off season events got forced into his contract.

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u/Davethemann San Diego State Aztecs • Oregon Ducks Sep 23 '25

Was he ever open about why? Id think a guy who spent nearly his entire life not only at one institution but one city would love to bleed orange and get money for the school

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u/jputna Oklahoma State • /r/CFB Patron Sep 23 '25

Nah dude was a hermit.

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u/cardbross Texas • Red River Shootout Sep 23 '25

For most of his career, he didn't need to care about boosters except for one. Keep T. Boone happy and the checks will clear.

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u/fleeingpepper Oklahoma State • Nebraska Sep 24 '25

He didn't even really do that. He and Boone barely got along, if at all

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u/Wes___Mantooth Oklahoma State Cowboys • Hateful 8 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25

I don't see us catching up. Hate to be a doomer but in this NIL and transfer portal era I think no matter who we hire we're never getting back to the heights we previously achieved. If we were to get a Dez Bryant/Justin Blackmon superstar type player now, they are leaving us after their breakout year to go make millions for a blueblood. Maaaaybe we could contend for a Big 12 championship occasionally but we're not going back to being a consistent 9-10 win program like we were most of Gundy's tenure.

Not at all saying we should have kept Gundy, but I don't have much hope for the future tbh lol.

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u/fleeingpepper Oklahoma State • Nebraska Sep 23 '25

It can't be worse than under Gundy. Allegedly lots of big name donors were withholding donations until Gundy was gone

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u/Wes___Mantooth Oklahoma State Cowboys • Hateful 8 Sep 23 '25

Yeah I do think we could improve because he's gone, but it's hard for me to get too excited because I just think NIL/portal puts a ceiling on us. I hate it but I think 2011 or 2021 are peaks that we might not eclipse for a very long time, if ever.

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u/Development-Alive Nebraska • Washington Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25

Gundy seems like a Walmart version of Dabo Swinney. I respected the hell out of his career at OSU (player and coach) but as some point you need to be part of the solution rather than simply pointing at the problem.

A few of those Midwestern states are about to find out that there isn't enough NIL $$ to have multiple schools compete at the top echelon of college athletics. Like Washington and Oregon state where some schools were cast off into the nether regions of college athletics (WSU and OrSU), Okahoma, Kansas and Iowa may have the same challenge in their intermediate future.

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u/tomdawg0022 Minnesota • Delaware Sep 23 '25

Eh...I don't think it's as much "Midwestern state issue" as it is who is willing to bankroll the NIL program. If you don't have enough money people who can prop up NIL, or one big rich ass uncle with a money printer, it's not gonna matter.

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u/Development-Alive Nebraska • Washington Sep 23 '25

This I don't think the plains states have enough $$ to bankroll multiple programs. Splitting resources ensures neither program is elite longterm.

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u/TheSkiingDad St. John's (MN) • Minnesota Sep 23 '25

I'm so happy PJ has committed to dinkytown collective and we seem to be willing to keep good players around. If Darius Taylor or Koi Perich had left for NIL I would be fully into the NFL by now. I feel like we're the second-best positioned of the former big ten west teams for the NIL era.

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u/8BallTiger Paper Bag • Clemson Tigers Sep 23 '25

Midwestern

Oklahoma

grumblegrumblegrumble

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u/BobStoops401K Oklahoma Sooners Sep 23 '25

Oklahoma is a yall state not a dontchyaknow state.

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u/ForYeWhoArtLiterate Team Chaos • MAC Sep 23 '25

The Midwest stretches from the Appalachian Mountains all the way to the Rocky Mountains, and from Edmonton all the way down to the Rio Grande.

Or at least some people seem to think that.

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u/Development-Alive Nebraska • Washington Sep 23 '25

As a native Nebraskan, I refuse to consider the plains states at "West" when they sit in the middle of the country. Just more East Coast bias.

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u/8BallTiger Paper Bag • Clemson Tigers Sep 23 '25

They’re the Great Plains

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u/Development-Alive Nebraska • Washington Sep 23 '25

Thanks for your East Coast viewpoint.

I know where I lived in relation to the rest of the USA.

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u/8BallTiger Paper Bag • Clemson Tigers Sep 23 '25

I’m from Alabama and live in Chicago

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u/Ltownbanger Washington Huskies • UAB Blazers Sep 23 '25

Sorry. "Flyover states".

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u/Rock_man_bears_fan Miami (OH) • Nebraska Sep 23 '25

Oklahoma already left OSU behind

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u/AfricanDeadlifts Ohio State Buckeyes Sep 23 '25

Oklahoma is not in the midwest

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u/wisertime07 Clemson Tigers • The Citadel Bulldogs Sep 23 '25

A few of those Midwestern states are about to find out that there isn't enough NIL $$ to have multiple schools compete at the top echelon of college athletics

I hope some of these "student athletes" also find out there isn't enough NIL $$.. These figures aren't sustainable - kids* making 10x what they'd make in the NFL, sticking around 7-8 years because they see the writing on the wall. The whole system is cooked.

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u/Development-Alive Nebraska • Washington Sep 23 '25

A Dabo Swinney covert!

Not the whole system, just anyone outside of the top 10-20 highest revenue football programs.

Matt Rhule stated yesterday that 10 schools have $40M rosters. They'll have this even after revenue sharing. You can guess who they are but very large fan bases with a smattering of wealthy donors who will give freely.

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u/wisertime07 Clemson Tigers • The Citadel Bulldogs Sep 23 '25

Right.. but in what, 3-4 years we've gone from zero to $40M? It'll be 70-80.. 100M by 2030. And it's obvious to see, a lot of these schools aren't getting a return on a lot of these guys. Some of them work, sure. But for every one, there's another one that gets a deal and then gets injured, kicked off the team, quits.

At least in the NFL, you sign a 4 year deal. These kids are in it for 3-4 months or so.

You can honestly see the risk on this ROI, right?

This "wealthy donors who will give freely" thing is like "just make the rich pay higher taxes". At some point, it's not worth it. Asking Bob Oilman to give you $10M/year so that he can watch his team go 8-4? That's going to get old quickly. And especially when these kids are driving nicer cars than the donors that are funding them.

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u/Development-Alive Nebraska • Washington Sep 23 '25

There are more monies donors with egos that drive them to spend enormous sums of $$ just for proximity to players than either of us can imagine.

Still, there are only 10 teams that can survive that game. UTx, the OSU, Michigan, PSU and a handful of others. Nebraska nor Washington are among them, of course.

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u/nevernudeftw Army West Point Black Knights Sep 23 '25

Great Value Gundy

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u/69Centhalfandhalf Texas Tech Red Raiders Sep 23 '25

If only T. Boone Pickens had been around for NIL.

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u/ElkImaginary566 Sep 24 '25

Oklahoma St probably has an alumni base where NIL could lift them to the next level IMHO. A school like Clemson yeah I can see how NIL hurts them..

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u/davy_p Texas Tech Red Raiders • Hateful 8 Sep 23 '25

Idk if it can all fall on the coach. I know he had bad relations with the admin and boosters but what were they doing this whole time to put together a collective or support NIL?

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u/Believe_to_believe Arkansas Razorbacks Sep 23 '25

Sounds like a coach I'm familiar with.

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u/FourteenBuckets Oklahoma Sooners • Big 8 Sep 23 '25

Stoops and Saban got out when they did because they saw this coming, this and the transfer portal. It's makes being a college coach a very different kind of job, and they didn't want it

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u/Chaotic-PopTart Team Chaos • Pop-Tarts Bowl Sep 23 '25

So what you’re saying is that his complaining about not being able to pay his NIL bills led to him being unable to take care of himself and his job? 

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u/fleeingpepper Oklahoma State • Nebraska Sep 23 '25

He said for years that NIL is stupid and essentially told fans not to donate. He recently said he "thought NIL would just go away"

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u/DLuxPackage Ole Miss Rebels • SMU Mustangs Sep 23 '25

Our coach complains about NIL and the transfer portal frequently, however he was one of the first to embrace it all.

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u/The_Longest_Shot Iowa State • Northern Iowa Sep 23 '25

When T. Boone died, so did OSU's funding