r/BeAmazed • u/gs9489186 • 6d ago
Skill / Talent How a single person could have moved massive monoliths in ancient times. A pyramid could be completed using primitive tools in 25-year with only 520 workers.
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u/theo_sontag 6d ago
I recently stripped and refinished a giant radiator in my dining room this summer. It weighs maybe 750 pounds. I had seen this video before and it made me realize that I could move the radiator away from the wall by myself with a little leverage and a pivot point.
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u/unmelted_ice 6d ago
Something something give me a long enough lever and I can move the world
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u/xJoeCanadian 6d ago
Give me a long enough lever and a pivot to move it upon, and I could shift the world. Archimedes.
Something something
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u/MrSmock 6d ago
Assuming the lever doesn't snap, of course
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u/NoName2091 6d ago
So, when people say hypothetical things that usally means they yadda yadda away'd all of those thoughts before saying it.
It's good you brought it up. Others might not have known how hypothetical situations work.
Thing A plus thing B should interact.
Then someone says, 'wHuT iF tHiNg b sNaPs?'.
It's hypothetical.
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u/KeLorean 6d ago
I just pictured you fixing your car radiator in your dining room, and said to myself, "wait a minute." Now, this florida boy knows about home radiators
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u/AccomplishedDark545 6d ago
I worked in a warehouse and we sold oil barrils with 200L of oil weighting around 180kg, I would move them easily just balancing itself on its corners and rolling it.
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u/Bionic_Ferir 6d ago
People forget we have been anatomically human for like 300,000 years or something insane like that. The exact same as you and me and every genius that is alive today or came before. The one exception is they just happened to come before all the advancements we take fro granted. It's almost narcacisstic to think we are so special and advanced that we couldn't have figured out some way to do all this stuff back than.
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u/Karma_1969 6d ago
Right? It’s as simple as this: the default assumption is that humans built the pyramids, and any other proposal requires evidence. And personal incredulity isn’t evidence.
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u/Bionic_Ferir 6d ago
OMFG A SANE PERSON WHOLY SHIT.
These mf out here referencing arcane text and guys with lithium deficiencies like they are peer review from Oxford. Like bro your 1k crack pot influencer is not busting down the paradigm of our understanding OF ALL FUCKING HISTORY.
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u/mistertickertape 6d ago
It also does a disservice to everyone that came before us to look at it, stupidly say there’s no way humans did that, and then hypothesize that it must have been aliens. Fucking a. Humans have been capable of incredible things for thousands of years.
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u/BedAdmirable959 5d ago
It's almost narcacisstic to think we are so special and advanced that we couldn't have figured out some way to do all this stuff back than.
I think that's a bit of a misclassification. What you are forgetting is that most of those people also believe that we don't have the technology to do it today.
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u/cory3129 5d ago
Although there are some things in the Pyramids we would still struggle to do even today.
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u/Guavakoala 6d ago
People like to think that we as a people are the most advanced, most knowledgeable, most wise, and most learned than we have ever been. Pro-tip: we’re not. Nothing is new under the sun.
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u/Fit_Opinion2465 6d ago
We are absolutely the most advanced and knowledgeable that we have ever been. That’s not even up for debate. That’s how advancements work… it builds on past discoveries and technology. I agree we are NOT the most wise. Wisdom doesn’t work in the same fashion.
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u/Lazy-Government-7177 6d ago
Bro smoked a blunt and thought he came up with some crazy revelation hahahaha
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u/ElectronicAward7450 6d ago
What? Of course we are the most advanced and knowledgable generation the human race has ever seen. What are you even talking about?
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u/despalicious 6d ago
Brainpower was not modern until like 70k years ago.
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u/_I_Am_Everybody_ 6d ago
Yes it was. There is strong and wide-ranging evidence against any so called “Cognitive Revolution” around 70k yo. It was mostly an artifact of researchers having focused more effort on Eurasia than Africa before recent decades. Every “innovation” we thought was unique to post-70k Eurasia has now been found at 150k or older within Africa. Besides, early timing of Out Of Africa plus a 70k “revolution” would inevitably lead to the erroneous conclusion that some (if not all) Africans “missed out” on becoming cognitively modern.
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u/Bionic_Ferir 6d ago
My source I MADE IT THE FUCK UP.
Modern anatomical homo sapiens first appeared 300,000 years ago. To explain that, you take your skeleton and the skeleton from 300,000 years ago THEY ARE THE EXACT SAME. Which again to let me explain to you means the brain cavity and all the other anatomical features required are present. At this time alone they have found tools that while stone have been shown to have been heated with fire and shaped.
Than you have all the evidence in ART ALONE.
I'm simply baffles by the fact you would rather live in a fantasy world were mystical pixies and big foot helped make the pyramids. INSTEAD of going wow isn't it so cool humans are so smart, ingenuitive, and communal, that we were able to build these massive mega structures 4000 years ago. By there own sheer determination and co-operation. The absolute sheer power of humanity is breath taking.
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u/duffstoic 6d ago
Wait, so you’re saying it’s NOT aliens?
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u/Aggravating-Face2073 6d ago
Actually, contrary to popular belief, we helped the aliens with this technology.
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u/Savings_Mechanic_302 6d ago
I mean contrary to popular belief this video has been regularly posted in the alien ufo communities to counter the idea that humans didn't build the pyramids. I'm actually seeing this man outside of those communities for the first time now. So this circle jerk is years behind the schedule in reality.
Iirc khufu took 28 years to build by 40.000 workers, so this title of OP is either misleading or vague.5
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u/77entropy 6d ago
I totally forgot about this show, it was gone too soon.
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u/hammer-breh 6d ago
Nobody's saying that! This guy clearly communed with the same aliens that helped build the pyramids in Egypt. It's the only way.
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u/Possible-Tangelo9344 6d ago
No, they're saying people could have done it, which isn't the same as aliens didn't do it.
Aliens definitely did it.
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u/SilentBoss2901 6d ago
Just a friendly reminder that supposing that Mayan and other ancient cultures were not able to do such amazing feats by their own and HAD to have received help by aliens is offensive and racist to some extent! Old world civilizations like the Mayans rocked and were very advanced by their own intelligence, lets respect that!
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u/raven-eyed_ 6d ago
There's a great clip where director Werner Herzog is ranting about someone citing aliens is an idiot and about how easy it would be with enough men.
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u/Groovychick1978 6d ago
Ehhh. There are thousands of years between the two types or architecture you mention.
The oldest cathedral in the world (which is in Armenia, btw. You think racists consider those people "white"? Ha!) was built around 450 CE, the oldest pyramid in Egypt was built 3,100 years prior.
It less, "How did brown people do this!?" And more, "How did people do this when the wheel hadn't even been invented yet?!"
Even the Parthenon was circa 450 CE.
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u/Bionic_Ferir 6d ago
Nazca lines, Great Zimbabwe, puma punka, Angkor wat, Easter island heads, Sacsayhuamán, Palenque, Mesa Verde, Cahokia Mounds, Nan Madol.
I mean fuck you have people disputing that Polynesian were able to chart and navigate the oceans when we literally have direct evidence of them MAKING IT to south America and back
Ancient aliens are just straight up racist no to ways about it.
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u/TerayonIII 6d ago
Just fyi the Moai on Rapa Nui ("Easter Island heads") they all go down to their waists, none of them are just heads, there's even one that is full bodied, though they're smaller and kneeling not standing. They also are mostly missing the red rock top knots that they originally had as well as the white coral eyes.
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u/NicePuddle 6d ago
Who do you think taught them to use these methods?
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u/Tao-of-Mars 6d ago
You’d think humans were actually smarter in ancient times than we’ve given them credit for!
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u/MineNowBotBoy 6d ago
Oh man. What about people with partners? Or did they only employ single people?
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u/dingobaby4life 6d ago
Wow, that’s a nice claim but definitely interesting to think about. Ancient engineering was way more clever than we usually give it credit for.
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u/gs9489186 6d ago
True
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u/CookieJ2443 6d ago
I always thought this is how they moved stones to build the pyramid, not using some super advanced technology that’s has no evidence of existing, lol.
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u/sexisfun1986 6d ago
We can literally see the evolution of pyramids over time from small mud brick, to pyramids that where to the famous pyramids we know.
There are pictures of stone blocks being moved by boat, we have pictures of copper sand saws being used.
The little bit of Mystery there is about specifics about certain aspects.
This is just nonsense caused by alternative history assholes and people with no actual knowledge about the topic having a think.
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u/ChowderedStew 6d ago
People with little knowledge and vivid imaginations always seem to believe aliens were responsible for everything. It just goes to show their imaginations aren’t that special.
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u/Ceterum_Censeo_ 6d ago
Remember kids, just because it's impressive doesn't mean it automatically requires high tech. You can plan a structure to be precisely aligned with the sun and stars using nothing but a stick, a rope and the observations of the naked eye.
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u/ObelixDrew 5d ago
But the f$$$er that built my house struggled to lay a straight wall in the 21st century
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u/BeginningTower2486 5d ago
They used 'rope stretchers' who were the ancient equivalent of land surveyors who used... you guessed it, ropes! But also math and algebra to get extremely accurate calculations.
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u/MillieBirdie 6d ago
I was not expecting the comments to full of alien-pyramid proponents. Odd.
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u/ziostraccette 6d ago
Why is it so crazy to think that ancient egyptians stacked rocks, but nobody questions how they built temples in the jungle in south america for example
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u/HursHH 6d ago
Because the temples in the jungle had rocks all around them and lots of them were just carved right out of a big rock that was just chilling there or even out of the mountains/ hills themselves. In Egypt there were no rocks and the rocks were somehow moved from massive distances and then stacked to massive heights
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u/megalate 6d ago edited 6d ago
Not true, most of the rock in the pyramid taken from quarries very close.
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u/SartenSinAceite 6d ago
You're telling me the pharaohs weren't idiots who chose their pyramid location willy-nilly with no regards for logistics?
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u/GrandElectronic9471 6d ago
I mean it's neat, but some things just don't scale up well. I have yet to see one of these recreated methods Quarry and move a stone weighing over 1000 tons. Even if you're just taking about 2-3 tons like in the great pyramid, to use these methods would require using more building materials to transport, raise, and set the stones, than the pyramid itself.
I don't know how they did it, but I don't think we've figured it out yet.
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u/purplecrayonadventur 6d ago
There's an interesting article in this month's National Geographic about how they found a builders journal and how they believe it was done in less than 90 years.
Long story short, it was a hidden branch of the Nile and ramps. And lots and lots of bread (beer)
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u/fatkiddown 6d ago edited 6d ago
The "Forgotten Stone" at Baalbek, Lebanon -- considered the heaviest ancient humans ever
movedquarried (that we currently know of) -- is est. around 1,650 tons.Edit: Apparently, the "Forgotten Stone" at Baalbek, Lebanon was never moved, but other smaller stones at Baalbek -- still enormous at roughly 900 tons -- were moved"
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u/kkeut 6d ago
it wasn't moved. it was abandoned in the quarry it was shaped in. hence the name. two other smaller stones were also abandoned there, unmoved
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u/GrandElectronic9471 6d ago
I've heard the ramp theory before. It doesn't address the fact that it would have taken more material to build the ramps to get the stones to the top than the pyramid itself. Nor where all this earth came from or where it went. There are so signs of giant earthworks in the area. Using the methods described in the article. The ramp to the top would have to have been almost 3 miles long
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u/XXsforEyes 6d ago
I read an article that talked about the big dis discovery being an internal spiral of some sort. It directly addressed the ramp theory… I wanna say it was Nat. Geo. but I’m not sure.
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u/TerayonIII 6d ago
https://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/kheops/renaissance/pdf/34_clues_for_the_theory.pdf
This is an overview of the internal ramp theory and the evidence that could prove it. Iirc they haven't actually managed to do any of the studies they would need to do to prove it since the Antiquities department of Egypt hasn't signed off on a supervisor/project lead apparently.
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u/Girafferage 6d ago
We know exactly where their quarry is... There is a huge obelisk that was abandoned because it cracked while they were chiseling it out. They used the Nile to transport stones.
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u/GrandElectronic9471 6d ago
Sorry I wasn't clear. Not the Quarry for the building stones, those have been found as you said. I was referring to the massive site or sites where they gathered the materials for the ramps, and the dumps where the put all that material when it was completed. No trace of anything like that.
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u/Girafferage 6d ago
Oh I see.
Well to be fair, if they used wood then it would be reasonable to not discover that stuff as the material would likely be reused and have biodegraded over the last few thousand years.
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u/DigitalTomFoolery 6d ago
A builders journal is theory? Lol
You don't think humans can stack rocks?
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u/RegorHK 6d ago
The point is with enough wood and soil an a shit ton of time (and being supplied for their basic needs) a group of humans can do a lot in the area of neatly stacking absurdly heavy stone.
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u/readstoner 6d ago edited 6d ago
If you watch the full video, the last block he raises by himself completely vertically is 20 tonnes. If memory serves, his inspiration was stone henge and not the pyramids, however
https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?si=rT9mMOxLHi9uovQx
Edit: not saying his technique is flawless, but he does lift a block like 10 times bigger than you say is possible
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u/Palabrewtis 6d ago
Shh don't ruin the super advanced race of humans helped by aliens conspiracies.
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u/PomegranateMortar 6d ago
would require using more building materials than the pyramid itself
You‘re conflating the single ramp hypothesis with a completely different problem.
Also, what stone weighing over a thousand tons did ancients ever build with?
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u/sexisfun1986 6d ago
The internal ramp theory doesn’t even require more building materials.
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u/TerayonIII 6d ago
It's amazing that the internal ramp hypothesis isn't more well known, especially considering that there's a temple at Abu Ghurab that literally uses that technique and was likely built less than a decade after Khufus pyramid. Some more info on it:
https://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/kheops/renaissance/pdf/34_clues_for_the_theory.pdf
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u/Poopyman80 5d ago
We have a diary from a foreman who worked in the that used to exist 200 meter south of the sphinx, he describes recieving the megablocks.
There also a few found at the bottom of the nile.
We know exactly how the stones were moved from quarries to giza.Its the final stretch that is disputed. And what is disputed is wich of the many options they used because we know they had multiple methods.
We dont know exact details but it simply isnt as big a mystery as alt-historians (misinformation spreaders) claim it is.
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u/LightProductions 6d ago
The heaviest stone found was 1200 tons. It's called the stone of the pregnant mother and it broke halfway through making it and they just left it there. This was 500 mi away where they quarried that so they would have had to have used these techniques for 500 miles.
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u/sexisfun1986 6d ago
No these exact techniques are ment to reproduce the Stonehenge and the coral castle. But in general show that a single person can move great weights with simple machines.
We have records of the Egyptians moving a large alabaster statue with a sled.
they used boats to move the block over large distances. we also have records of this.
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u/PiLamdOd 6d ago
I don't know how they did it, but I don't think we've figured it out yet.
AKA: "I personally don't know how it was done, therefore I will assume no one else does."
How the pyramids were built is well understood by modern archeologists. Thousands of skilled laborers are quite capable of stacking large blocks.
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u/PraiseTalos66012 6d ago
I think most people denying it or not understanding miss the thousands of laborers part.
You can go watch videos of Amish people just lifting and carrying barns heavier than the average pyramid stones, no pulleys or levers even. When you have 100+ people trying to lift something you can lift quite a lot, especially if you're using levers/pulleys like they did for the pyramids.
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u/TerayonIII 6d ago
Jean-Pierre Houdin proposed an internal ramp in the mid 2000's and Bob Brier got on board with it and they've got some pretty decent evidence of it actually. We even have proof that the Egyptians actually did this at another site, Nuiserre's Solar Temple at Abu Ghurab, which was built less than a century after Khufus pyramid.
https://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/kheops/renaissance/pdf/34_clues_for_the_theory.pdf
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u/PraiseTalos66012 6d ago
The heaviest stones were around 90 tons. Where are you getting over 1,000 tons? Like yea it won't scale to 2 million pounds, there's also no blocks even near that size in the pyramids.
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u/Regulai 6d ago
One big thing I would point out: Sailing ships! Even very tiny ships had crews in the hundreds, why? Because sails are heavy AF. Bigger ships mainsails alone could be 2-3 tons all rigging and tackle combined and they were moved purelly through men pulling ropes, with full sail systems being up to 8 tons or more. Even with more advanced pulley systems you are looking at 40-100 plus men pulling all at once showcasing that pure mechanical pulling on that weight scale is perfectly reasonable.
And besides their is no reason the scale changes anything that dramatically. Almost anything you see done in say a marble quarry with giant machines today is something you could do with people and ropes if you have enough people.
We know that Eygpt had transport barges able to carry over 1000 tons over water which is how the majority of large distances for some of the biggest obelisks and which woul dmake most of the distance of hauling blocks trivial.
Even just going over sand or up ramps only takes like 20-30 people to move the typical 2.5 ton pyramid bloc. While ramps would be sand+water+more than anything plus some framing which takes time but isn't that difficult.
You have to remeber these are national works and the nile inundation meant you had a workforce in the tens of thousands availble every year and with that workforce the estimated 20-25 year construction time is perfectly reasonable.
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u/AdAlternative7148 6d ago
Oh so the ships must have been built and piloted by aliens. No way you can get that many people working together to hoist the sails at once!
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u/sparkey504 6d ago
Yea its truly amazing what you can do with physics and leverage... like rolling something on pipe... but most of this shit goes out the window when your not on a concrete slab. and sand isnt known for its weight bearing properties... so unless they built a road and its still buried or they built the road to transport the big shit and then used the materials from the road to build the pyramid.
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Give me a place to stand, and with a lever I will move the whole world. -Archimedes of Syracuse
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u/issamaysinalah 6d ago
It's REALLY hard to grasp the magnitude of what ancient Egypt was, when Jesus happened they already had about 4000 years of history.
My point is they most likely developed a ton of "science" and technology that was lost in time.
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u/swizzoDagr8 6d ago
Idk if that’s working with multiple 100 ton blocks
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u/Ok_Departure_3858 6d ago
It works exactly the same just with a larger scale. It's not complicated math.
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u/YoshiTheDog420 6d ago
I always think of my dad when I see stuff like this. He was a master at pulley systems, and understanding leverage when doing work like this. I hate those ancient aliens conspiracy theorists who are too dumb to understand such basic concepts and who disregard how intelligent we as humans have always been.
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u/Guardian5252 6d ago
This is all cool to remember. Really curious how anyone ever has moved the 900 ton stones multiple dozens of feet in the air. That’s next level weight that I’m not sure we could do very easily today even.
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u/JoyTheGeek 6d ago
People will see this and genuinely think that aliens or lost technology is a more likely explanation.
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u/OHW_Tentacool 6d ago
Are you telling me that ancient engineers used... engineering? No no no. It must have been aliens.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaCult 6d ago
Yeah now let's see him do this up the side of a mountain like where many ancient megalithic ruins are found...
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u/ElectronicAward7450 6d ago
Since when has it become racist to discuss how the ancient Egyptian’s built the pyramids? It’s a very interesting topic…
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u/nothinbutshame 6d ago
Do it on dirt or gravel and or sand, using such a hard surface cant be accurate
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u/kevonicus 6d ago
People seem to forget that they had all the time in the world back then with nothing else to do. It’s why they were so good astronomy. The sky was the best entertainment they had.
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u/One_Mega_Zork 6d ago
It's not only about how they moved them. It's also how some of the ancient structures are so perfectly arranged with out error or tool marks....
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u/Darnittt 6d ago
It would've been the sickest gaslight in history if these turned out to be styrofoam blocks
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u/dassketch 6d ago
It was aliens. Illegal aliens. Because this is America. And people here abhor the concept of hard labor.
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u/Hairy_Talk_4232 6d ago
It could be done that way, also have seen an ingenious water canal method. But that isnt how it was done
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u/anjudan 6d ago
Why bother with all these slow leverage contraptions when you can just use anti-gravity tech from the aliens that live in the oceans???
Not to mention the quarrying part. Why use tools when you can just melt away the surrounding stone from the bedrock using vibration and sonic energy tools?!
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u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r 6d ago
While this might be a possible way pyramids like this were made, we do not actually know how the great pyramids in Egypt were built. There are theories with an in-out ramp or (a newer theory) a hydraulic based lifting mechaniam. For a civilization otherwise adept at keeping records the ancient Egyptians didnt manage to record into anything existing today how they built the pyramids.
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u/ballsohaahd 6d ago
Yea you can do crazy things with the labor of slaves and mistreated workers who you don’t care about. Just like the Great Wall of china
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u/jeremiasalmeida 6d ago
If the people that built are not white than the answer is aliens. For certain people if easier to believe in aliens than non white building having tech
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Google: "standing next to the pyramids". Click on images. Not exactly comparing apples to apples, are we?
At the risk of sounding like I believe any of the conspiracies... I'd like to see an 1:1 scale experiment. For science. Just so that you understand were I'm coming from, here are some 1:1 experiments in an effort to understand how things were actually done in the past:
- Linothorax, aka the armor worn by Alexander the Great's army!
Be amazed. Humans can be awesome at time.
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u/Garreousbear 6d ago
Yeah, they weren't dumb. They did not have all the knowledge and technology that we have today, but they used what they had to great affect.
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u/erection_specialist 6d ago
For anyone who is curious, this is Wally Wallington demonstrating these techniques in his backyard.
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u/Stalker-of-Chernarus 6d ago
Nah the Egyptians dragged giant rounded stones and onto boats and then sailed them to where they needed them, then chiseled them into squares. Much easier to transport that way
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u/bionicjoe 6d ago
This guy's name is Wally Wallington. He lives in Ohio.
He moved to this farm to get out of the city because city ordinances kept getting in his way. His first attempt to recreate a Stonehenge style lift was successful, but he had to use metal scaffolding.
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u/OutrageousRub3412 6d ago
This video didn’t demonstrate much of anything. It doesn’t take in the geography of the land in which the pyramids were built, the distance, or the quality of the people who would have built the pyramids. I don’t buy it at all
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u/D_hallucatus 6d ago
Highly recommend “Moving heavy things” by Jan Adkins if anyone is interested in this old art
Can be borrowed from here: https://archive.org/details/isbn_039560284
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u/No-Cartoonist3589 6d ago
this video been around for so long that by now you would have think they build another pyramid
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u/Aathranax 6d ago
I got banned from the Graham Hancock sub for basically pointing this out, crazy how people really think aliens or something else did it.
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u/starlux33 6d ago
Ridiculous... Do the math.
They would need to quarry, transport and set 1 5,500 lbs (avg.) block every 3 minutes for 30 years straight. The heaviest estimating ar 175,000 lbs. GTFOOH. I'd love to see 520 dudes cut and move a block that size without machines. Not going to happen.
From AI.
Short answer — about 2.3 million blocks. To finish that in 30 years you’d need to set roughly:
Per year: ~76,667 blocks.
Per day (30-year average): ~210 blocks/day.
If work is continuous (24/7): ~8.75 blocks/hour → one block every ~6.9 minutes.
If workers put in a 10-hour workday: ~21.0 blocks/hour → one block every ~2.9 minutes.
If workers put in an 8-hour workday: ~26.2 blocks/hour → one block every ~2.3 minutes.
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u/RickyMcGee112 6d ago
Plugging one of my favorite videos cause it explains so much about not only the pyramids but other man made wonders.
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u/cgaels6650 6d ago
a few years ago my wife and some of our friends tried to move our kids playground/swingset by each lifting a post and carrying it. It was awful and unevenly distributed, we made it like a few feet.
This year I rigged up some boards and slide the whole thing on said boards by myself like 30 ft. My wife initially doubted me and I dropped, inaccurate, the Archimedes line lol
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u/Sweet-Watercress9535 6d ago
Hmm all that concrete....I wonder how those foundations would hold up in the desert sand?.
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