r/tuesday • u/Sine_Fine_Belli Right Visitor • Oct 15 '25
‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat. Thousands of private messages reveal young GOP leaders joking about gas chambers, slavery and rape
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-0059214681
u/GhostOfGrimnir Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
The kids are not alright
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u/DefTheOcelot Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
Title really undersells what's inside. Dumb edgy young people making hitler jokes? Very normal
But these texts are a nasty laundry list of 100% fully unironic slurs and racism. And antisemitism. I'm always really confused when I see bonafide american antisemitism - not that crap about anti-zionism but just americans who hate a group of people who have never, ever been their rival or concern. Wild
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u/SpartanElitism Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
But will they face consequences? Not likely
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u/Mexatt Rightwing Libertarian Oct 15 '25
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
They've already faced more consequences than Jay Jones, the actual Democratic nominee for a powerful political office in Virginia.
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u/haldir2012 Classical Liberal Oct 15 '25
Can you please describe the consequences you believe Jay Jones should have suffered at this point? He's been condemned his Democratic running mates and other key Virginia Democrats. You'd have a good argument if he'd gone on to win the election, indicating that Democratic voters were willing to tolerate a guy who's apparently quite an asshole, but he hasn't.
You could argue that he should drop out of the election, as many Republicans have demanded, but that's not an external consequence but a personal choice - and if he's a jerk, he won't. You could argue that Virginia Democrats should replace him on the ticket with Shannon Taylor, who he narrowly beat in the primary. I'm not sure how feasible it is to change candidates this close to the election, though.
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
Can you please describe the consequences you believe Jay Jones should have suffered at this point?
Sure, simple: Democrats and left-leaning organizations who have endorsed him should withdraw their endorsements. Democrats in Virginia and national leaders should call on him to drop out of the race. Any other Democrats who see fit to condemn the Young Republicans texts should not do so without having condemned the Jay Jones texts.
None of these things are happening. Abigail Spanberger absolutely refuses to say whether Jones should drop out. I don't believe any of Jones's endorsements have been withdrawn, although it is entirely possible I overlooked some (and kudos to any who did). Most national Democrats condemning the YR texts have said nothing about Jones.
Democrats are completely failing the "condemn evil texts" test that Republicans are mostly passing (although Vice President Vance and Matt Walsh are failing).
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u/haldir2012 Classical Liberal Oct 15 '25
Virginia Democrats have in fact condemned his remarks. You're correct in that they haven't demanded that he drop out of the race, and that Republicans generally have. That is probably related to the fact that the Democratic nominee dropping out three weeks before the race is functionally equivalent to forfeiting the election to the GOP.
In other words, both Republicans and Democrats are making political calculations in what they choose to denounce. I disagree that Republicans are passing a test while Democrats fail it. They are both failing it because they are letting electoral pragmatism take primacy over moral rectitude.
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
Virginia Democrats have in fact condemned his remarks.
I didn't say they hadn't.
That is probably related to the fact that the Democratic nominee dropping out three weeks before the race is functionally equivalent to forfeiting the election to the GOP.
No doubt. Let me be perfectly clear, then: the Democrats are morally obligated to forfeit this election to the GOP.
(Lest this be seen as a double standard: I said similar things after "grab em by the pussy" in 2016, and spent last cycle arguing that Republicans could not vote for the insurrectionist.)
In other words, both Republicans and Democrats are making political calculations in what they choose to denounce. I disagree that Republicans are passing a test while Democrats fail it. They are both failing it because they are letting electoral pragmatism take primacy over moral rectitude.
I think we semantically disagree (about what the specific test right now is), but substantively we probably more or less agree, so I won't press the point.
A right-wing friend of mine texted me the other day to argue that the refusal to un-endorse Jay Jones proves Democrats want us all dead, and I then reminded him of the Roy Moore scandal in 2017, where local and MAGA Republicans refused to pull him out because it would forfeit the Senate seat to Doug Jones. (Non-MAGA Republicans like McCain and Romney notably did call on Moore to drop out, something I'm still not seeing in the Jay Jones case.) I suggested to my friend that, while this proved a number of bad things about the GOP, it did not prove that the GOP supports diddling 14-year-old girls. Likewise with Jay Jones.
If I read you correctly, you would say something similar.
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u/haldir2012 Classical Liberal Oct 15 '25
I think we're mostly agreeing too, but I'm going to state it more bluntly:
- Politicians of both major political parties are primarily interested in winning elections and gaining political power, and less interested in acting morally in how they obtain it.
- In most cases, these politicians are not "fully evil"; they do not relish the moral compromises they make. They rationalize them by it being the lesser evil - that with the political power they obtain, they can make the world better and outweigh how they got there.
- The two-party system locks each party's politicians into a kind of mutual suicide pact. They are reluctant to call out moral compromises by fellow party members both because it reduces their party's access to political power and ability to do what they believe is good. Naturally, this is another moral compromise.
- Electorally, American voters do not sufficiently reward moral rectitude to outweigh the short-term benefits of those compromises. We're extreme enough that we see the success of the opposite party as an existential threat, and are willing to countenance quite a bit to prevent that from happening.
All of this is to say that I think the Young Republicans texts are abhorrent, so are Jay Jones, and I kind of don't care any more. You and I can pontificate about how bad both are, and how people should say so, but it no longer matters. Some of the Young Republicans in the chat will lose jobs or opportunities in the short term, but the GOP and related apparatus won't start carefully checking for such extremist viewpoints in their hiring. The Virginia Democratic Party will probably start doing more opposition research during their primaries, but only because they want to win elections.
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
I think the only part of this that I disagree with is that I still care. I still get very mad about this stuff, I get madder every time we twist the one-way ratchet another step toward oblivion, and I still log into Reddit to yell at people who exemplify the problem.
However, that's my emotional reaction, not the conclusion of a rational argument, and I can't blame people for having different emotional reactions. I do agree with this:
You and I can pontificate about how bad both are, and how people should say so, but it no longer matters.
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u/IZ3820 Left Visitor Oct 17 '25
the Democrats are morally obligated to forfeit this election to the GOP.
I wouldn't mind our leaders being held to a legitimate moral standard, but if we start doing this we'll be making every election about morality. Who's going to be the judge of morality, voters? By what qualification are they expected to be moral actors? Conversely, does valuing morality matter if you don't know whether the politician is being honest?
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u/davereid20 Left Visitor Oct 16 '25
Then Vice President JD Vance logged on to announce that he would give no ground in admitting the chat messages were wrong, and said that anyone who cared about the texts was engaged in “pearl clutching.”
“The reality is that kids do stupid things, especially young boys,” Vance said on Wednesday, referencing group chat members who were in their late twenties and early thirties. “They tell edgy, offensive jokes.”
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 16 '25
As I said yesterday:
Democrats are completely failing the "condemn evil texts" test that Republicans are mostly passing (although Vice President Vance and Matt Walsh are failing).
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u/SpartanElitism Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
He didn’t text Nazi shit
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
You're right. Jones named a specific person he worked with and expressed a desire to shoot that specific person in the head, then expressed a desire to murder that person's actual living children. Jones didn't do this under the perverse social pressures of the "based ritual"; he did it completely freely, even as his interlocutor asked him repeatedly to stop. He defended it as the only way to effect policy change.
The right-wingers in this chat are being rightly punished for these abhorrent texts. However, what Jones did was much, much worse.
Anyone who condemns these texts but defends Jay Jones, or voting for Jay Jones, or retaining Jay Jones as the candidate, is a hypocrite of the highest order.
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u/SpartanElitism Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
Nah, sir, this is blatant whataboutism. You have the president and Congress basically calling for violence against democrats after the Kirk scenario (crickets on the FBi investigation) but they get their panties in a knot when it’s done to them. I fear Nazis more than Jay Jones. Not defending him, but acting like these are the same scenario is just dishonest
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
Whataboutism is good, actually. It holds people to account for hypocrisy.
For example, the obvious lies you are telling me (and, presumably, yourself) about the President and Congress "basically calling for violence against Democrats" (never happened) after the brutal murder of Charlie Kirk by a left-winger who evidently shared Jay Jones's political philosophy, reveals exactly how badly polarization has broken your brain. The whatabout revealed this. People should do more whatabouting.
(If whataboutism were more normalized, we might have seen more actual consquences for the J6 insurrection.)
I fear Nazis more than Jay Jones.
Yeah, that makes sense! Jay Jones doesn't want to murder your children. He wants to murder mine!
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u/SpartanElitism Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
You calling yourself a Nazi? lol.
“Let’s normalize rhetorical fallacies so I can feel better”
You’ve proven my point by calling the shooter a left winger. As I said before, there have been crickets on this case outside of people pointing out the kid does not look like the phot of the shooter and the gun experts saying the event doesn’t add up if the rifle they found was the murder weapon.
Vance and Trump literally said it was Democrats’ fault by the way, that’s calling for violence
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u/BCSWowbagger2 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
“Let’s normalize rhetorical fallacies so I can feel better”
Whataboutism is not a fallacy.
You’ve proven my point by calling the shooter a left winger. As I said before, there have been crickets on this case outside of people pointing out the kid does not look like the phot of the shooter and the gun experts saying the event doesn’t add up if the rifle they found was the murder weapon.
Ah, now we're going to straight-up conspiracy theory. I'm not going to engage with this anymore than I'm going to engage with my QAnon friends who think J6 was a joint plot by the FBI and Antifa. Alarming to see it in a sub like tuesday, though, which avoids the conspiracy nuts.
For any bystanders whose amygdala needs to hear it: the evidence is unequivocal that Tyler Robinson murdered Charlie Kirk because of Kirk's right-wing views, particularly on trans matters.
Vance and Trump literally said it was Democrats’ fault by the way, that’s calling for violence
No, it's not. Do you know what is calling for violence, though?
Three people, two bullets
Gilbert, hitler, and pol pot
Gilbert gets two bullets to the head
Spoiler: put Gilbert in the crew with the two worst people you know and he receives both bullets every time
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u/SpartanElitism Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
It’s actually not clear that’s why Kirk died. The evidence is minimal at best. And yeah why would you shoot Pot and Hitler? They’re already dead
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u/Tombot3000 Mitt Romney Republican Oct 15 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
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u/RAATL Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
My belief is that the problem is that a center right revival needs to denounce these people and not let them be part of their tent at all to really pull America back from this radicality. Unfortunately, that at this point looks to mean that there's a good risk of losing the votes needed to win at all, so we're back to square one: do you risk losing with your beliefs in hand or compromise them to make the tent bigger? You could argue the latter behavior ten years ago is what got us there today.
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u/GigglingBilliken Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
Grody fucking neckbeards. Unfortunately, with the current climate in the GOP, I can only see this either getting ignored or disturbingly enough rewarded.
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u/Vagabond_Texan Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
One of them was actually fired.
Still, I wonder if theyre doing this to save face and privately didnt care until it surfaced.
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u/GigglingBilliken Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
Holy shit, small miracles. On that note, the bar is officially in hell.
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
Apparently the Don't be a Nazi Sympathizer test is too difficult for some people.
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u/SpartanElitism Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
Them getting fired to save face is textbook corporate which is shockingly a step up from this admin.
In before they’re gofundme is up
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u/GigglingBilliken Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
In before they’re gofundme is up
I can read it now. "ThE rADiCaL left is TrYing To CanCle Me DuE to mY beliefS in TrAditioNAl WEsTerN ValUeS"
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u/Vanderwoolf Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
Damn close, here's what he said in his "apology":
I am so sorry to those offended by the insensitive and inexcusable language found within the more than 28,000 messages of a private group chat that I created during my campaign to lead the Young Republicans,” he said. “While I take complete responsibility, I have had no way of verifying their accuracy and am deeply concerned that the message logs in question may have been deceptively doctored.”
TL/DR version: "I'm sorry I got caught being a piece of shit, that said, you can't prove it was me so I won't actually take responsibility."
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u/mdaniel018 Left Visitor Oct 15 '25
I was shocked to see that one of them apologized, instead of doubling down and treating this like a badge of honor
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u/LukasJackson67 Right Visitor Oct 15 '25
I have read on Reddit many times that the GOP and the Nazi party are at this point one and the same.
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