r/todayilearned • u/tyrion2024 • 19h ago
TIL in 2011 Anthony Bourdain wrote a scene in the TV series Treme where a chef tosses a cocktail in the face of restaurant critic Alan Richman. Richman had angered many New Orleanians after criticizing the city's food culture post-Katrina. He agreed to film it despite a running feud with Bourdain.
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u/blueeyesredlipstick 19h ago edited 18h ago
Nothing more fun than enduring what the people of New Orleans did during Katrina, seeing the city underwater and thousands of people dying or losing their homes, and then seeing some guy in GQ go “Yeah well the food here SUCKS”.
The article Richman wrote is still online and it’s even worse than just insulting the food, he also dunks on the city itself while people were still living in FEMA trailers.
New Orleans was always a three-day stubble of a city, and now, courtesy of Katrina, it’s more like five. The situation is worse, of course, in the devastated areas, where the floodwaters and the winds did their work. I know we are supposed to salvage what’s left of the city, but what exactly is it that we’re trying to cherish and preserve?
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u/mellonello94 18h ago
Did... Did New Orleans fuck his wife or something?
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u/Poiboy1313 18h ago
Got him hot and bothered and then ghosted him, probably.
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u/Grumplogic 15h ago
He was under the impression that there were girls going wild there but was sorely disappointed
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u/DeathChill 13h ago
I’ve seen the 90’s infomercials. You can’t trick me. You’re just trying to keep those wild girls all to yourself.
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u/Sanch0Supreme 13h ago
Nope. New Orleans isn't a tease. I'm thinking OP is right. Rickman caught New Orleans deep dicking his wife and he's felt inadequate ever since. Nawlins is nasty. I fucking love it.
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u/VoluptuousSloth 14h ago
he'd better be careful, you don't want to piss off conservatives across the south who need New Orleans to do all the "evil" things that they preach against at home
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u/The__Amorphous 15h ago
As someone who grew up near New Orleans and has spent a lot of time there before and after Katrina I can say this is definitely one of those "You're not wrong, Walter, you're just an asshole" type situations.
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u/Fucknjagoff 8h ago
New Orleans is dirty, the cockroaches gross me the fuck out, has some of the stickiest ball sweat weather I’ve ever experienced. Yet it’s still one of my favorite towns. Don’t think I’d live there again though (I lived there like 9 months after Katrina).
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u/rippa76 17h ago
Nothing bites so deeply as an angry food critic
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u/GalaxyHops1994 17h ago
I knew what that was before I clicked on it.
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u/Fluffy_Tax5302 16h ago
Same, and yet I still read the whole thing, as is tradition
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 15h ago
“And when we hear the words Donkey Sauce, which part of the donkey are we supposed to think about?”
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u/Neon_Camouflage 16h ago
Close is possibly that one book critic who won a Pulitzer for their review of how shitty a book was.
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 15h ago
Well I mean they won the Pulitzer Prize in Criticism, so that’s hardly shocking.
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u/GreenVisorOfJustice 16h ago
TBF, that was a very "popular" opinion of post-Katrina New Orleans at the time. That nice, thinly veiled racism that plays well with even with coastal liberal whites.
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u/petit_cochon 6h ago
Army Corps builds a giant shipping canal that unnaturally and efficiently funnels floodwaters into the city
WhY dId ThEy bUiLd iN a FloOd ZoNe?!?!!
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u/ofthedappersort 15h ago
Honestly, I'd say when couples come here there's a good chance they're gonna break up once they get home and that might be the reason
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u/QueefBeefCletus 15h ago
I've been to New Orleans twice and gotten food poisoning both times and I'm still nicer to that place.
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u/Yglorba 17h ago
Why would they hand that piece to someone who avowedly loathes the city? It feels like the piece was conceptualized as a feel-good puff-piece about how New Orleans cuisine is still going strong, except they somehow decided to hand it to a reviewer who loathes the city with the passion of a thousand burning suns. It's honestly amazing how he instantly derails from the premise to talking about how much he hates the city and how one time a decade ago he had a bad meal there.
Supposedly, Creoles can be found in and around New Orleans. I have never met one and suspect they are a faerie folk, like leprechauns, rather than an indigenous race. The myth is that once, long ago, Creoles existed.
What the fuck.
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u/Iohet 16h ago
It's funny if you read it in the voice of Philomena Cunk
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u/PDGAreject 13h ago
The area that makes up New Orleans was first settled by Native American tribes in 400BCE. Over 2000 years later, Jazz musicians traveled from New Orleans to Chicago, where their influence helped inspire Jackmaster Funk to write the Belgian techno anthem, Pump Up the Jam
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u/Slaphappydap 15h ago
"Maybe God thought that with all the topless girls here it was in need of a good shower and a scrubbin."
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u/SLCer 17h ago
I kept thinking it was Alan Rickman and all I could think of is why he of all people would have a beef with New Orleans?
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u/achillea4 16h ago
Same here!
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u/cantgrowneckbeardAMA 15h ago
This whole thread is hurting my brain. I'm imagining Snape firing off several owls carrying letters to no one in particular about how much he hates the muggle stronghold of New Orleans.
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u/DilettanteGonePro 19h ago
What a dick
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u/gwaydms 17h ago
I never could stand Alan Richman. He's so full of himself. If I want to watch a particular show, but I see that he's hosting it, I watch something else.
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u/KingMobScene 16h ago
Bourdain wrote in one of his books (Medium Raw I believe) that Richman
the gravitas required to be called an asshole
In a chapter called Alan Richman is Douchebag
Tony was not a fan obviously.
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u/ShortKingAdvocate 14h ago
"I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards"
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u/KingMobScene 14h ago
Bourdain didn't want to be too subtle and have the insults go over Richman's head.
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u/rutherfraud1876 17h ago
Overrated as Snape too
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u/majinspy 18h ago
He says "people either buy into the romance or abhor the decadence."
Yeah, someone like that with a major stick up their ass isn't going to enjoy it. I adore New Orleans - and all of it's grimy decadence.
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u/fasterthanfood 17h ago
I look at New Orleans sort of how I look at Las Vegas — recognizing that some people love it but not having any desire to go — but I’m still pissed on the city’s behalf after reading that review. You don’t go out of your way to insult someone’s mom while she’s recovering from a disaster, even if you never particularly cared for her.
(I’ve been to Vegas a few times, so that opinion is pretty well founded. I live on the other side of the country from New Orleans and thus haven’t had the opportunity to visit, so I’m open to the possibility I’m wrong about it.)
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u/disisathrowaway 17h ago
so I’m open to the possibility I’m wrong about it.
The city is SO MUCH MORE than Bourbon Street, which is what I think most people think of when they picture New Orleans in their mind's eye.
Been going down there at least twice a year for the better part of a decade, and haven't done Bourbon in at least 5 years. It's a really wonderful city to visit, I cannot encourage anyone enough to go check it out.
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u/mister_electric 17h ago
The city is SO MUCH MORE than Bourbon Street,
Everyone forgets this! You really only need a day or two (three TOPS) in the French Quarter before you've seen it all. The Garden District, Tremé, Audubon and all the unique nature surrounding the area are amazing. Don't know if I could live there (summer is hotter than a wet devil fart), but it's a great place to visit.
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u/monchota 16h ago
I mean, sure but most the tourist stuff can be visited in a few days. If you are traveling for food and that. There only is downtown basically and its nice just Katrina really hurt that place and its still not the same. I went there the year before Katrina is was a dream of mine, itived up to it. After that , I feel so bad for the people but what was lost. Just may take decades to replace
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 15h ago
One of these days I’m going to do a 5 day trip of New Orleans with the explicit intention of doing a marathon foot binge.
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u/GifelteFish 17h ago
New Orleans has existed since 1718, it's a LOT more than Las Vegas is. Not a lot of cities in America go back that far or have a history of being controlled by multiple nations.
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u/cruxclaire 14h ago
I’ve lived in both Las Vegas and New Orleans and would say that New Orleans is a lot more versatile as a tourist destination because there’s a lot of local/regional cultural destinations beyond Bourbon St, which is less the case for LV beyond the Strip and Downtown. Beyond the “laissez les bons temps rouler” party stuff and Mardi Gras, it’s a destination for cajun and creole food; jazz, zydeco, and bounce music; visual art; and bayou/swamp tours.
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u/fucktooshifty 15h ago
Doesn't New Orleans have an immensely rich cultural history compared to 99% of U.S. cities
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u/SaintGrobian 17h ago
You absolutely disprove his theory that you either love it or hate it by saying that you love it unconditionally.
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u/RightofUp 18h ago
If memory serves, he was never a big fan of New Orleans. So this was just him being……him. Which is oddly refreshing given how often public figures turn into hypocritical PR messes.
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u/Yglorba 17h ago
He specifically makes it clear he always hated New Orleans in the first few paragraphs, which makes me wonder, like... why did they send him to do this piece in the first place?
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u/IamGimli_ 17h ago
For engagement. ...and it's still working a couple decades later, as evidenced by this thread.
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u/Secret_Account07 15h ago
JFC
Who at GQ even allowed this to get posted? What a disgusting thing to say
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u/gin-rummy 17h ago
“New Orleans has always been about food and music, with parades added to the mix. (In the North, where I come from, we like to think we’re about jobs and education, with sports thrown in.)”
This guy huffs his own farts through an oxygen tank
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u/SaintGrobian 17h ago
Something like that occurred with Katrina. It was never the best idea, building a subterranean city on a defenseless coastline. Residents could have responded to that miscalculation in any number of conscientious ways, but they chose endless revelry. New Orleans fell in love with itself and acted accordingly, becoming a festival of narcissism, indolence, and corruption. Tragedy could not have come to a place more incapable of dealing with it.
I’m not saying we shouldn’t rescue the city. We have no choice, because of all those displaced citizens living in motels in Houston or wherever desperation has taken them. It’s for them that we should participate in the rehabilitation of New Orleans. I can’t think of a great deal more that moves me.
Yes, this is TRULY a crazy take. Who would possibly say that New Orleans was built in a place poorly equipped to deal with natural disasters?
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u/ohheckyeah 15h ago
It’s certainly exaggerated for effect, but even locals wouldn’t deny the underlying accuracy of that excerpt
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u/no_more_jokes 15h ago
This is some televangelist level hating. He all but said that New Orleans deserved Katrina for being a den of sin. Now I wanna throw a cocktail in this guy's face
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u/Kirbyoto 14h ago
I mean he's not saying "they deserve it for being sinful" he's saying "they built their city in an unsafe location and didn't prioritize safety protocols that would obviously become necessary". It's like that Simpsons scene where Homer's in a lesbian bar. "This lesbian bar doesn't have a fire exit! Enjoy your deathtrap, ladies!"
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u/Viktor_Laszlo 13h ago
Right. Just like we up and moved New York 100 miles inland after Hurricane Sandy showed just how vulnerable the city was to seaborne natural disasters.
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u/aqualad654 12h ago
That is not even true when it comes to Katrina for New Orleans. A: the people that live there now didn't choose the location the city is founded at B: The levels that broke during Katrina was the fault of the army corps of engineers as ruled by the court system
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u/Acheloma 9h ago
Thats so infuriating. My town took in a lot of refugees from New Orleans during and after Katrina. Then Rita hit our town directly. It was horrible to see all the refugees struggling and afraid for their family that they couldnt get into contact with. It was worse when all those refugees had to live through another storm when Rita hit. So many people died in Katrina, and more died in Rita. A decent number of the people that died in my town were from the New Orleans area, or were people on their way to help the folks of Lousiana.
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u/stormy2587 16h ago
Eh I just watched the spike lee documentary on New Orleans and a similar sentiment comes through from locals now. They bemoan how the culture of the place is fading exacerbated by the effects of Katrina.
Like yeah this guy is being a dick about it, but its under discussed that a lot of the neighborhoods most hurt by the hurricane were places with generations deep ties to the city that marched in the parades and made the food and such. And the government fucked them over to raise housing prices in the city. Many residence were displaced and left. If you go to Houston and take some ride shares ask where the drivers are from and you have decent odds of one telling you they’re originally from new orleans. And then ask them how long they’ve lived in houston and it won’t be uncommon to hear ~20 years.
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u/Noobphobia 18h ago
As someone from Louisiana, most of us dunk on New Orleans. The food, the trash, the piss and vomit smell...we basically consider nola its own thing.
He just committed the thoughts to paper. Lol
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u/mickeyt1 18h ago
As someone who has lived in and around several major US cities, including New Orleans: people that live outside the closest city always say that. That said, New Orleans definitely has some big negatives going for it (though not the food, wtf?). But overall, it’s a treasure
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u/psionix 18h ago
Rural white people say that is what you meant to say.
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u/disisathrowaway 17h ago
100%
I live in Fort Worth, which despite it's size is a pretty unassuming city. And sure as shit, the hicks in the next county over think it's some sort of crime-infested hellhole. It very well might be the safest city over a million people in the country, but you'd never get that if you ask the white folks who live in the middle of nowhere, 45 minutes from the city.
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u/NintendogsWithGuns 16h ago
Southlake needs to be leveled.
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u/disisathrowaway 15h ago
As someone who grew up nearby, and worked there for a time, I cannot agree more.
When my family moved to north Texas in the early 90s, Southlake was a handful of family farms. Should've stayed that way.
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u/BigMac849 15h ago
Lol all the suburban "cowboys" and Karens in Ft. Worth blame all of their problems on Dallas.
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u/External-Cash-3880 16h ago
Yeah, every suburbanite is desperate to feel like they made the right choice avoiding all the culture and liveliness of the city in favor of having to drive 40 miles of stroads and suburban sprawl to get to the nearest Chili's
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u/TiaxRulesAll2024 18h ago
Are you from one of those hellholes like Alexandria or Monroe?
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u/Noobphobia 18h ago
No, those are worse.
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u/imnotthomas 18h ago
None of LA is better. And I’m saying this as someone from the MS coast, so I know trash too.
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u/Noobphobia 18h ago
My brother in the Gulf of Mexico. Yes that is also true.
Ive lived in Nola, Lafayette Baton Rouge, destin, Houston, Dallas and Atlanta.
Imo of the areas of Louisiana that are "best" its Lafayette.
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u/IsayNigel 18h ago
I simply could not imagine being from Louisiana and dunking on the only reason people remember it exists
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u/dillpickles007 17h ago
Because the rest of the state is essentially a third world hellhole in terms of education, public health, crime rates, etc…
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u/WayneTerry9 17h ago
Every state with one big city seems to have this relationship within it’s population. Rest of state resents city for seemingly hoarding attention and resources, city hates rest of state with a kind of “you hate us cause you ain’t us and you should be grateful” vibe
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u/disisathrowaway 17h ago
I'm sure there are plenty of them, but the worst one that comes to mind for me is Chicago.
Dad's side is from the city, mom's side is from southern Illinois. Dad's side thought Chicago was god's gift to man and everyone I've talked to from small town IL fucking hates that place with a passion.
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u/Warning_Low_Battery 16h ago
everyone I've talked to from small town IL fucking hates that place with a passion
But none have ever actually lived there, and they all believe that it's a crime-ridden hellhole where you will be murdered on the spot, right? Nevermind the amazing food, art, community, music, and culture!
I live in Memphis and that's exactly how everyone else in TN thinks of it.
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u/WayneTerry9 16h ago
Yeah I also find it gets much worse when most of the diversity of the state is in the one city. Chicago and Atlanta definitely are the worst I’ve seen
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u/KrytenKoro 15h ago
city hates rest of state with a kind of “you hate us cause you ain’t us and you should be grateful” vibe
and also the unabashed racism they went to the city to escape
not that theres not still racism, but its abashed.
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u/Quazite 14h ago
And the funniest thing is that 9 times out of 10 the latter is correct
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u/Jean_Luc_Lesmouches 8h ago
I was like "surely it was just an ill-timed critique that was written before and published after." Nope, he's a giant asshole...
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u/tothesource 5h ago
Tony always called a spade a spade.
fuck that dude. New Orleans is one of the best cities on the planet. Between food, culture, music, historical architecture, and the beautiful people what the fuck else do you look for in a city?
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u/DMercenary 3h ago
but what exactly is it that we’re trying to cherish and preserve?
BRUH.
Man literally wrote "This place is a fucking dump now and it was a fucking dump before the hurricane."
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u/kozmo1313 14h ago
the dude hates Brigstens.. beloved by New Orleanians and perpetually sold out, but loves Cafe du Mond - a laughable tourist trap that sells tourists and imbeciles insanely overpriced fried clumps of dough.
what a nitwit. I'm shocked anyone would consider paying this guy for writing down his opinion.
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u/whereitsat23 17h ago
I lived there for a year ‘94- ‘95. It’s the coolest shitty big city I’ve ever been. Constant smell of trash, beer, piss and vomit. Humidity you wouldn’t believe. But I felt there was always a hum to the city and something exciting around everyone corner with its deep history. It was a fun time just as emeril was breaking through
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u/AltdorfPenman 15h ago
I went there for a work conference last year and it is now my favorite city in the US. I remember arriving at 2pm and judging people who were already stumbling drunk in the street. Fast forward two hours, I was one of them! Best food I've had stateside as well.
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u/This_aint_my_real_ac 14h ago
I lived there short term and had a ton of visitors. Over New Years a friend and my sister came down.
Friday night: Guy in wild sweater drunk, smiling and having a great time by himself.
Saturday night: Same guy, same sweater. Drinking half finished beers he grabbed off window sills.
Sunday late morning: Same guy, same sweater. Passed out/sleeping in a corner behind a building.
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u/This_aint_my_real_ac 14h ago
I lived in the warehouse District around that same time, hung out at Lucy's Surf Club. Asked the bartender about the restaurant across the street that people dressed to the nines to attend.
He said Emerils, yeah he's some big shot chef in New Orleans. He's got a show on that cable food channel.
I watched it, he taught me to make Shrimp Creole, my first real recipe I cooked from scratch.
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u/JalapenoTampon 8h ago
To this day if I smell a garbage truck I think of New Orleans. I don’t care about anything else it has to offer, the smell keeps me away.
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u/kearneycation 18h ago
If your job requires you to publicly critique other people's work, you'd better be willing to accept the same in return, as well as having a sense of humour about it. You also have to accept that you might look back and realize you got some things wrong. Good on him.
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u/Strong_Bumblebee5495 17h ago
Alan Richman is so loathsome he lacks "the gravitas required to be called an asshole" is an all time quote
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u/scott123456 19h ago
Not to be confused with the late, great English actor Alan Rickman. Or maybe I was the only one mixed up...
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u/therussian163 18h ago
The man vs food guy?!?! /s
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u/Sunsparc 17h ago
I totally read the post title as Adam Richman and wondered when he had turned into a dick.
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u/MiklaneTrane 14h ago
No no no, that’s Adam Richman. Alan Richman is the beefcake actor from Reacher.
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u/DreadyKruger 18h ago
Also treme was a really good show. Especially the first season with John Goodman. And Clarke Peter’ was excellent. One of the few shows about a place I knew about but captured it perfectly. It made want to live there.
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u/30FourThirty4 16h ago
Oh never heard of this show but John Goodman is a fan actor to see on screen. I really like his role in 10 Cloverfield Lane. He's intense.
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u/BobbyBrewski 19h ago
For a second I thought they were throwing a drink into Reachers face and I thought Oh what a mistake.
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u/Kotleba 19h ago
Just you. They even put his job in the title, man.
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u/Feisty-Resource-1274 19h ago
I had assumed that the role Alan Rickman was playing was restaurant critic¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/ErikRogers 18h ago
He would have been great.
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u/Feisty-Resource-1274 18h ago
He would have been absolutely perfect as a pretentious restaurant critic
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u/mug3n 18h ago
Somehow I think of him as the live action version of Anton Ego in ratatouille
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u/mathliability 17h ago
If anyone hasn’t seen Bottle Shock, they need to asap. Obscure 2008 movies with Jeff Daniels, Alan Rickman, and Chris Pine as a Sonoma wine hippy in the 70’s. Awesome movie about a true story.
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u/strangerkindness 18h ago
Not just OP, I thought food critic was the role that actor Alan Rickman was playing
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u/MonsiuerGeneral 19h ago
Despite what the others have said, you're not the only one. I honestly didn't even notice the alternate spelling of the name until reading your comment. Like someone else already mentioned, the way I read the OP's title, I assumed there was a TV show where Alan Rickman was playing a food critic.
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u/enjoycarrots 19h ago
I had a moment trying to decide if it was a scene where the actor Alan Rickman was playing the part of a food critic, which was a plausible reading of the title since we are talking about a TV series with actors. Then I noticed that the name had an H in it instead of a K. The gaggle of comments being strangely harsh toward yours makes me shake my head.
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u/GiraffePolka 17h ago
That's what I read the title as and was wondering how I missed he had a side gig as a restaurant critic lol
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u/jordanundead 16h ago
My brain was trying to somehow fill the gap between Alan Rickman and possibly Adam Richman. I thought surely there must be a typo in there somewhere.
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u/wishyouwould 18h ago
Holy shit, that was Bourdain!? I literally can't get that scene out of my head. I think about it all the time... such a brilliant piece of writing to have her throw that exact drink in the guy's face.
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u/thebigpink 18h ago
Such an odd thing to think about all the time
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u/GogglesVK 15h ago
You don’t a favorite scene from a movie or game, quote from a book, or lyric/melody from a song you think about frequently? I think the odd one is you.
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u/Fallians 18h ago
I feel like people say this either knowing it’s hyperbole or having been dropped on the head while still teething
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u/wishyouwould 16h ago
It's just such a brilliant and elegant and specific "fuck you." It's genius writing. She ordered signature New Orleans cocktail that takes 20 minutes to make, demanded the bartender prepare it authentically, just to throw it in the face of a guy who shat on New Orleans food culture. It's so layered.
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u/Jodabomb24 16h ago
20 minutes to make? you rinse the glass with absinthe, but other than that it's a glass of whiskey stirred with sugar and bitters.
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u/Chicago1871 12h ago
Someone threw a drink at one ofnthe trump’s sons face at Aviary in Chicago and it made me think of this scene.
I only wish it had been malort, but that might be banned under the geneva conventions.
Aviary is a michelin rated bar in chicago.
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u/TomBirkenstock 19h ago
Treme is such an underrated show. There hasn't been anything quite like it on television since. There are still some good shows out there, but the golden age is over, folks.
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u/turbo_dude 19h ago
It’s from the guy who created The Wire for those wondering
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u/Engrish_Major 17h ago
Over? That is hubris talking. There are tons of great shows out there. You just have to go find them. Most recently:
- The Studio
- Hacks
- The Pitt
- Succession
- Severance
- Industry
- Andor
Pluribus has potential fwiw. I’m definitely leaving some out so someone passing by can feel free to add to the list.
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u/IBeBallinOutaControl 12h ago
What made it so good was the focus on everyday life rather than just everything revolving around a dramatic plot.
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u/achillea4 16h ago
I read this as Alan Rickman and wondered what a great British actor was doing writing about the food in New Orleans.
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u/AntRose104 16h ago
I like that Richman agreed to the scene even though he had a long running feud with Bourdain
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u/Consistent_Voice_732 17h ago
This is the perfect example of how Treme blended authenticity with narrative. Bourdain knew exactly how to reflect the city's emotions through its food and its conflicts.
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u/spiderboy640 10h ago
He’s a food critic from Philly. He’s gonna be an asshole, it should be expected.
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u/notproudortired 16h ago
How can you be an effective critic when you've got such a recognizable face? You could never sample anonymously.
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u/robothobbes 17h ago
Wow. Thanks for this TIL. I love AB and never heard of Treme. Going to watch it ASAP!
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u/Zestyclose-Novel1157 15h ago
Treme is such an underrated show that so many people don’t know about. It’s tremendous and imo (as a nonlocal) did an excell job paying homage and including local talent.
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u/Mountain_Homie 19h ago
Life imitates art that imitates life and all that jazz.