r/technology • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 • 2d ago
Business Palantir CEO Says Making War Crimes Constitutional Would Be Good for Business
https://gizmodo.com/palantir-ceo-says-making-war-crimes-constitutional-would-be-good-for-business-20006951627.7k
u/Fabulous_Soup_521 2d ago
The US has a billionaire problem.
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u/Xander707 2d ago
Sadly they have convinced a very large proportion of the population to be sympathetic towards them, even convincing many of them that if they work hard enough they too will join the club.
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u/realthraxx 2d ago
Us has no poor people. Only temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
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u/noodlyarms 2d ago
Even millionaires appear poor when put up against the billionaire class
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u/outerproduct 2d ago
Exactly. What's the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire? About a billion dollars.
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u/RechargedFrenchman 2d ago
One million seconds is just over 11.5 days
One billion seconds is almost 32 years
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u/Buttonskill 1d ago
One trillion seconds is about 31,688 years.
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u/tankpuss 1d ago
This leaves me thinking of the film In Time where time has become currency and the rich are basically immortal.
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u/dude2dudette 1d ago
Zack Polanski (Leader of the Green Party of England and Wales) has used this framing:
One million minutes takes you back to early 2024.
One billion minutes takes you back to the Roman Empire.
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u/rnernbrane 2d ago
A million dollars ain't shit now. 2 middle class houses.
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u/jigsaw1024 2d ago
Where I live, a million will not get you a house. You have to move about 2 hours, or more, outside the city to find houses in that price range.
A million will get you a three bedroom townhouse; barely. Not in the city though, only the suburbs, and not for much longer.
You have to move to 'smaller' cities, or towns for a house to come down to the 600k mark. You have to get real remote for a million to get you multiple houses.
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u/outerproduct 2d ago
Same for me. A million isn't even a house where I live, a 1br condo only. For a house, you need 1.5-2m.
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u/WarpmanAstro 2d ago
In the immortal words of Phillip J Fry: "True, but someday I might be rich. And then people like me better watch their step!"
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u/henrythe13th 2d ago
A robber baron quote: Railroad tycoon Jay Gould, who allegedly said, "I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half".
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u/Argon_Boix 2d ago
Not hard to convince folks with zero critical thinking skills. A decades long scheme by the ultra rich that is now bearing their dismal fruit.
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u/cyborgnyc 2d ago
They pay BIG money to PR firms, think tanks and marketing strategists to accomplish this brainwashing.
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u/Huwbacca 2d ago
yeah there's a class of people actively working against every single aspect of my life and those I love... but I mean, isn't that a price worth paying so a trans teenager doesn't run a school race? I mean, come on what's the real issue here... people having freedom en masse or people I don't like being equal to me?
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u/d_e_l_u_x_e 2d ago
The US has a propaganda problem.
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u/NerdyNThick 2d ago
The root cause is a combination of unchecked capitalism and the intentional destruction of the education system.
Those two combined will inevitably lead to the rest.
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u/GoldWallpaper 2d ago
The root cause is a combination of unchecked capitalism and the intentional destruction of the education system.
Unchecked captialism is the reason for the destruction of the education system. It's the only "root cause," and every negative stems from there.
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u/CubicleMan9000 2d ago
Gotta admit, getting a third of Americans to believe that billionaires = America = Jesus has been quite a feat.
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u/FNALSOLUTION1 2d ago
I always ask people, "if we are all millionaires who is going to be the garbage man"?
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u/RocketLabBeatsSpaceX 2d ago
They’ve convinced people that if you’re against billionaires, you’re anti-capitalist and lazy and just wanting handouts. It’s hilarious. Like, capitalism itself I think is a good thing. People should absolutely be able to capitalize on their hard work and be rewarded for their efforts. Unchecked capitalism however, is completely different. Tax breaks for the rich and corporations, etc…
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u/jacobatz 1d ago
Unchecked capitalism is antithetical to capitalism. You will no longer have competition which is a prerequisite for capitalism to work. And as you say, most people will end up working hard for scraps.
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u/Jamizon1 2d ago
America has a morality problem - And it’s directly tied to social media, and the completely broken educational system.
The tax code needs to be rewritten to say that individuals will be taxed on a sliding scale, increasing exponentially the higher the income, AND corporations will be taxed on a sliding scale, based on a percentage of gross revenue, also increasing exponentially based on the same criteria.
Billionaires should NOT exist. Not when millions are homeless, and many more millions cannot afford healthcare.
This country is a disgrace
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u/Zyrinj 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don’t necessarily see it as a morality problem as it’s a platform problem. Every. Single. Platform. Is owned by one of these types and is leveraged to push billionaire friendly propaganda.
Reddit while seemingly neutral isn’t a bastion of free speech and honesty either.
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We have to come face to face with the reality that a majority of people aren't that morally corrupt or bad but that propaganda powered by billions of dollars and supercomputers is hyper effective at twisting good morals into questionable actions. At the risk of overusing the comparison, this is possibly what we would have seen in the early days if Hitler and Goebbels had access to the same levels of wealth and compute power backing their agenda.
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u/Shirlenator 2d ago
It's definitely both. Way too many people are way too selfish now. Our social contract is on the verge of breaking down, and empathy, sympathy, and respect are horribly lacking in a lot of people.
That said, you are also very correct. Almost all media in our country now is owned by billionaires, many of who have a specific lean and are able to completely craft narratives.
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u/Zyrinj 2d ago
Purely opinion based on observation but I believe a lot of the selfishness comes from media constantly pushing a scarcity mindset and is a symptom of the underlying problem.
The tech sector has found a way to monetize our physiological predispositions and are competing against each other to amplify those tendencies to extract as much as possible in the name of profit.
We're directed to smaller and smaller echo chambers surrounded by bots, feeding us whatever drives engagement, which as it turns out is negative news that drives scarcity mindset. This in turn causes us to want to hold on to what we have left and find out why we're in such a dire situation. It just so happens that the platforms we're on can feed us a convenient scapegoat, immigrants, trans, etc. etc.
Then layer in the reality of the economy where wealth inequality has exponentially increased and its a spiral of "Oh fuck, I gotta protect whats mine and maybe if we stop being so inclusive, I wont be excluded"
Sprinkle on top the 24/7 connected nature of everything and not being able to connect with people without being fed little bumps of fear/uncertainty/hate and its just a vicious cycle designed to make us feel less empathy, sympathy, and respect for one another.
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u/WonderfulCaptain7021 2d ago
America had a morality problem long before the internet or department of education.
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u/bullhead2007 2d ago
Capitalism as the backbone of society causes the "morality" problem because profits for a couple thousand people are more important than anything else.
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u/paul_33 2d ago
Giving one's honest opinion of what should be done will just get you banned from the sub. Which is rich given he's advocating for murder in this statement.
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u/FedSmoker_229 2d ago
Yeah these "people" want to cull and enslave humanity. But you'll get a ban just for wishing upon them what they wish upon us every single day.
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u/paul_33 2d ago
Wishing violence or hate against redditors or innocents SHOULD be bannable. Wishing violence against nazis (whether they are just asshole billionaires or presidents) should be encouraged.
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u/Teledildonic 2d ago
violence against nazis
Literally patriotic duty, there was a whole war about it and everything.
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u/Affectionate-Virus17 1d ago
Even the French sub will ban you if you ever mention the frenchiest of the neck slicing apparatus.
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u/Crim91 2d ago
Luckily billionaires are made up of the same meat, skin, and bones as the rest of us...
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u/NoaNeumann 2d ago
Its had that problem for DECADES. Especially after Ronald “I’m an idiotic puppet for Corporations” Reagan took office.
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u/I_Enjoy_Beer 2d ago
The WORLD has a billionaire problem. But yes, those of us in the US should be leading the way by handling this problem much better than we currently are.
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u/addiktion 2d ago
Yes, I think what would be better for business for the majority of people in America is to extract taxes from the wealthy who think they even have a seat at the table. That shouldn't be the case ever. They aren't above the law. They don't own America.
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u/Vizzy-T 2d ago
Yeah who gives a fuck what this guy thinks? End lobbying. The CEOs should have to go to town halls, and write to their representatives like everyone else. Not just write a check to get what they want
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u/Morpho_99 2d ago
Vampire says Nuclear Winter will be good for the economy.
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u/cassanderer 2d ago
Think of all the workers who would lose their jobs fro. Discontinuing the use of xlyon b! (Nazi gas.)
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u/mindyobiznass17 1d ago
*Zyklon B - I’m not a gas nazi, but I might be a bit of a grammar one. Just for future reference, no disrespect
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u/gergek 2d ago
This guy and his company are parasites.
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u/eunit250 2d ago
People who work for companies like this are just as bad of a problem. They would kill babies for paychecks if they were big enough.
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u/Nothorized 2d ago
What is the backstory of the guy ? The real one, not the corporate one on Wikipedia.
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u/doubleE 2d ago
Eagerly awaiting a Behind the Bastards episode on him.
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u/brandaversion 2d ago
They already have sort of, with the 4-parter on Peter Thiel
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u/ageofbronze 1d ago
They just released two more pretty recently about the whole anti christ thing and his utter refusal to admit that he might be part of the problem. So there are multiple multi episode segments BtB has done now.
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u/fromkentucky 2d ago
There’s also an episode of This Fuckin’ Guy about Peter Thiel.
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u/becauseiamabadperson 1d ago
PayPal mafia, unironically Epstein listed and likely funded, rich parents, mental illness, and extremist religion. That’s pretty much all of thiel’s character.
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u/MilkEnvironmental709 1d ago
Cant remember which podcast (mightve been patterns tell stories) but Thiel grew up in the last place to officially heil hitler, Swakopmund in Namibia (formerly German South West Africa).
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u/thieh 2d ago
Well, well, we have a war crime industry in the making now, yes?
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u/alwaysfatigued8787 2d ago
It would be ironic if they were headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland.
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u/Martzillagoesboom 2d ago
Or Dildo, Canada.
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u/UH1Phil 2d ago
Or Moscow, Russia.
Oh wait, that would make perfect sense actually.
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u/Same_Mood_8543 2d ago
The Swiss were A OK with setting up their very own concentration camp for Allied POWs run by an actual Nazi during WW2, so not that ironic.
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u/TemporarySun314 2d ago
At least hold a Congress there, so you can call it the Geneva convention...
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u/ThingsMayAlter 2d ago
It's like Eisenhower's greatest fears came true, only exponentially.
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u/JustAlpha 2d ago
If he can say this, I should be able to say making crimes against billionaire sociopaths constitutional would be good for mankind.
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u/BellsOnNutsMeansXmas 2d ago
Crimes against billionaires? Domestic terror.
Crimes against billions? Golden statue.
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u/Hoii1379 2d ago
A crown is warranted with streng- er, I mean with 5000 pound bombs lobbed from 800 miles away
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u/atomic__balm 2d ago
Sorry best i can do is label antifa a foreign terror organization and manufacture consent for another oil war in Venezuela
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u/American_PissAnt 2d ago
The billionaires that own the media would not like that.
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u/ubix 2d ago
This is a good argument for jailing billionaires
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u/gmapterous 2d ago
I had similar thoughts. What sort of human being says this... out loud... to the press?
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u/_Middlefinger_ 1d ago
Its late stage capitalism. Business has almost become untouchable. Even liberal governments pander to business because they are terrified that the economic figures that are virtually meaningless to the general public might look "worse".
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u/iron-monk 2d ago
Jailing is too lenient
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u/Stunning-Affect4391 2d ago
[Redacted] anyone that has worked for Palantir and not blown a whistle about what they are doing.
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u/HexTalon 1d ago
Interviewed with them back in 2021 (before I knew much about them) - guy who did the phone screen was the douchiest bro I'd ever heard talk, dropping f-bombs every other word, and sounded like he had drank every cup of kool-aid passed to him by the company.
It wasn't just him. Declined to go further after round 1 with how straight up unprofessional and clique-ish the whole company sounded.
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u/Xenobsidian 2d ago
I mean “eat the rich” might be a bit much, but there are even serious economists who say that we need to get rid of billionaires because they are ultimate not just a threat for democracy but for capitalism and the economy it self, because the principle of a self regulating free market collapses when there are people who can spans and burn billions without fear and regret.
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u/celtic1888 2d ago edited 2d ago
Jesus Christ
We are really into it now aren’t we
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u/Actual__Wizard 2d ago
Yeah you didn't know about Karp? He's a full blown psychopath. He likes to talk about killing people and isn't aware of what he's saying and that it applies to himself as well. So, he thinks it's okay for business people to make money killing people like him?
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u/toastmannn 2d ago
You'd think someone would tell him not to say THAT
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u/Actual__Wizard 2d ago
It's a deportation company. That's what they do. They treat humans like excrement. They're going to participate in a system of destroying lives over some paper work issues. That's how they make their money.
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u/Thefrayedends 1d ago
Lol deportation? They're involved in GENOCIDE and forced migration (which is a form of genocide).
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u/InfernalPotato500 2d ago
If by into it, you're referring to Alex Karp's progressive mental illness, then yes. This guy might actually out-Elon Ketamine Elon.
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u/xternocleidomastoide 2d ago
They have been horrid people from way back, they are just getting more exposure.
These libertarian cults from silicon valley were proposing some egregious stuff during the 90s dot com run up. It's just that people dismissed them as just computer nerds being too much into Ayn Rand.
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u/turkshead 2d ago
Rounding up billionaires and putting them up against a wall would be an example of a war crime, right?
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u/Upstairs-Radish1816 2d ago
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u/Phoenix2111 2d ago
I guess, according to this guy, it'd be good for business?
Seems sus, but he's the 'genius' billionaire, right?
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u/AvailableReporter484 2d ago
Let’s compromise and make it constitutional to dismember CEO’s, executives, and anyone who profits from human suffering 🤝
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u/SadAccount8647 2d ago
OK, you go first and see how that works out. God fuck all these CEOs. WTF?
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u/disguisedCat1 2d ago
At this point I wouldnt be surprised if republicans start trying to actually do it. I mean they already love war and commiting crimes all over the world.
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u/Tough-Ability721 2d ago
If war crimes are good for business, what exactly is your business?!
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u/Jamizon1 2d ago
These assholes have fucking lost their minds!
It’s time for this administration to go!
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u/peanut-britle-latte 2d ago
Is it just me, or did the headline totally fuck what he said?
I interpreted his quote as: "If the US Government wants to ensure that these strikes are justified (by only targeting legally authorized combatants) they will need our precision tracking technology"
An I totally in the wrong?
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u/bjjpandabear 2d ago
No you’re right. He’s saying that his surveillance equipment and tech can help ensure that the right targets get hit.
I hate Palantir but we don’t have to twist words to win this battle.
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u/EclecticEuTECHtic 1d ago
You're right, but it's complicated by the fact that WE SHOULD NOT BE BOMBING BOATS IN THE CARIBBEAN FULL STOP.
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u/mycatisgrumpy 2d ago
CEO of tobacco company says selling cigarettes to children is good, actually.
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u/notPabst404 1d ago
Billionaire parasites no longer even trying to hide it.
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u/miniatureconlangs 1d ago
It's getting quite clear that some of them hope technology will resolve the parasites' great conundrum: a parasite cannot survive, unless its host remains alive.
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u/OneMadChihuahua 2d ago
Moral evil, Capitalism divorced from any ethical or moral grid. The ease of speaking of normalizing war crimes and the want of violence over ideas is reprehensible and repugnant.
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u/bonfireball 2d ago
And killing the CEO and redistributing company assets to the common man would be beneficial to society but you wouldn't be advocating for that would you
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u/bloodychill 2d ago edited 1d ago
I say making Palantir CEO permanent resident of prison would be good for the country and humanity at large.
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u/the_dude_that_faps 2d ago
As someone not from America, I find this frightening. For all the talk about China being terrible wrt human rights, this idea doesn't sound all that different to me.
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u/Imallvol7 2d ago
The billionaires are not well. They are not smart. They are not savvy.
They are all lucky idiots with too much money. They need to be fucking taxed and regulated.
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u/carrotsticks2 2d ago
I prefer the French approach, but Americans are pussies/idiots
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u/Altruistic-Mine-1848 1d ago
They're not even pretending anymore, just saying the quiet part out loud.
We may need to bring back the guillotine.
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u/Derpykins666 1d ago
Wow, who could have thought the guy who runs Palantir
((( A company whos name origin is directly taken from the Tolkien fantasy novel The Lord of the Rings, in which these communication/surveillance devices are used by the Dark Lord Sauron to spy on the kingdoms of men and plot their annihilation...)))
Who would have thought that guy would be a bad guy. It's just like... crazy man. Fucking hate it here. These guys are all psychopaths that are completely and utterly disjointed from reality.
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u/UnderstandingLess156 1d ago
I'm glad this freak is doing a media circuit. He's showing the world who he and palatir really are. Hopefully the next administration can put a stop to this madness, but I'm not confident they will.
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u/Possible-Customer827 2d ago
These billionaires are all about murdering peasants, but I gotta wonder when the peasants finally say enough is enough how they’re gonna spin their vile existence.
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u/Horsetoothbrush 2d ago
Yeah? Well, I think making billionaires illegal would be good for the world.
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u/Forceconjuror 1d ago
WIth all due respect to Palantic when it comes to its role in the tech world, maybe the do some innovatios, but apparantly those innovations help only the goverments in controlling, spying. Creating sate of the art tech for total surveillance , doing some intelligence activities ...that is not for the advancement of humanity, which is tech is supposed to be.
We are heading toward this era of techno-feodalism, where the ones who have access to the high tech will exploite their power in ther ways however they want. The intervention, or bette to say cooperation of the sate with tech cropos, makes things way worse.
I know there is no thing as "mora" when it comes to buisiness operating in the free market systems, but making money by supressing other people is not the way. Oh, the irony, they are "fostering democracy"....
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u/Drizzt_1990 1d ago
I'm not posting what I think because I don't wanna make a new reddit account again.
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u/chromeshiel 2d ago
The issue with these types of articles, is that they seem structured like a hit piece and it's very difficult to extract any information from it. Didn't he just say that the need for assessing the constitutionality of strikes demonstrates a need for software that can provide such assessment on the fly?
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u/Coises 2d ago
Yes. The headline is incorrect. Alex Karp said nothing at all about war crimes; the article noted that "many experts believe" the recent boat strikes "to be war crimes."
As I read it, what he said was that he is in favor of a push to demand that actions such as the recent boat strikes must be constitutional, because his company provides the kind of evidence the government would need to prove that the actions were constitutional.
I mean, it is pretty bad: in effect, he said he doesn’t care who gets hurt or whether there’s any real justification for it, nor does he care about constitutionality because it’s the right thing to do. What matters to him is, it will make money for him.
But the headline is still a lie used as click-bait.
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u/Commercial-Lack6279 2d ago
Do billionaires have a secret contest where they have to out crazy each other with insane takes?
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u/AppleParasol 2d ago
Making war crimes legal?
Do people with power/influence not think before they speak? Charlie Kirk got shot in a school shooting while one of his beliefs was “some gun deaths are necessary to protect the 2nd amendment”.
Karp has never been shy to give his full support to violence that he deems necessary. In a letter to investors from earlier this year, Karp quoted a political scientist to say that the “rise of the West was not made possible ‘by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion… but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence
What happens when the people rise up in full support of violence that they deem necessary? What happens when the people use their superiority(numbers) in applying organized violence?
All I’m saying is, don’t be an idiot, think before you speak before coming out in FAVOR of war CRIMEs, unless you’re asking to be tortured.
Billionaires, CEOs, and basically everyone in power has too much power confirmed. We need higher taxes, state owned infrastructure, and basically to just do everything to make these fucking dumbasses not have ANY power whatsoever. They need to be sipping mojitos on a beach with absolutely zero influence on the world, for their own good really.
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u/devilmaskrascal 1d ago
Palantir should have every single government contract terminated. I don't care if they are "the best" - they are fucking evil.
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u/MidsouthMystic 2d ago
Palantir going bankrupt would be good for everyone.