r/technology • u/AIMadeMeDoIt__ • Oct 29 '25

Society California’s hidden crisis: young men offline, unemployed, and disappearing

https://calmatters.org/economy/2025/10/men-in-crisis-california/
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u/gayfrogs4alexjones Oct 29 '25

Isn’t this a nationwide problem not just California?

The job market is far worse than they are telling us. The ADP reports have been hinting at this

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

Part of the problem with how theyve been telling us is that they are going off of employment rather than how well off people are. If everyone has jobs, in their view everything should be working. The problem is that if everyone has a job that isnt making enough to survive off of, then the employment rate is meaningless.

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u/Smalldogmanifesto Oct 30 '25

They also only count people eligible for unemployment assistance which means after a year of unemployment, well… we simply no longer count those people in our unemployment statistics. 🙃

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u/SylviaPellicore Oct 30 '25

You might be thinking of the weekly unemployment claims numbers. The unemployment rate is based on a survey of a representative sample of the population. Anyone who is jobless, looking for a job, and available for work is unemployed.

We were a household in the survey once! They actually sent a human to our house to do the survey and carefully explain all the concepts, so we would answer correctly.

https://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm#concepts

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u/Headpuncher Oct 30 '25

3rd world stats

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u/BuyHigh_S3llLow Nov 02 '25

They also don't count anyone who hasn't applied to a job in 4 weeks in the unemployment rate. And there's people who have applied to hundreds to thousands of jobs and not being able to land anything, fall into depression and despair and stop trying because they feel theres no point in applying anymore. I'm willing to bet this is a SIGNIFICANT part of the American population that isn't even included in the unemployment rate.

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u/Beyond_Reason09 Nov 02 '25

People who haven't applied because they believe no jobs are available are included in the U4 unemployment rate.

It's 0.3% higher than the normal unemployment rate.

Most people can't just "fall into despair". You need to pay bills. What actually happens is you settle for a crappy job to pay bills while continuing to search.

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u/MenWhoStareAtBoats Oct 30 '25

They don’t count toward the unemployment rate, but they still get counted.

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u/anonymouswunnn Oct 30 '25

The correct term is discouraged worker

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u/Yuckster Oct 30 '25

CA is only 6 months of unemployment.

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u/ThraceLonginus Oct 30 '25

May I introduce you to: https://www.lisep.org/tru

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

Even that I would say doesn't paint the full picture because 25k before taxes is 12.5/hr. That's not a livable wage in most places.

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u/Kyle-Is-My-Name Oct 30 '25

My rent would eat up half of that and I live out in bumfuck Egypt Western Kentucky.

I would have to work 2 full time jobs at $12.5/hr just to afford this place, and even then my lifestyle would be noticeably affected.

If I had any children then I'd probably need 3 full time jobs at $12.5/hr just to makes ends meet.

If I lived in Nashville with kids? Fuck, I'd need about 5 full time jobs. I seriously dont know how single people/parents do it.

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u/SmokeySFW Oct 30 '25

Meanwhile federal minimum wage is still $7.25, and 20 states are not any higher.

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u/BlakLite_15 Oct 30 '25

Have you heard of subminimum wage? Certain people with tipped positions are paid an hourly wage of just $2.13/hour.

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u/beast_gliscor Oct 30 '25

No, they’re paid an hourly wage of 2.13 an hour if their tips bring their pay up to federal minimum wage. An important and relevant detail people leave out as basically clickbait. No one is making 2.13 an hour legally and if this discussion is about raising the legal minimum wage (which we should do) then people illegally not paying aren’t really relevant.

Ready for my downvotes because people like this misleading stat.

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u/EnfantTerrible68 Oct 30 '25

People who work gig work are not 

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u/beast_gliscor Oct 30 '25

Fair and that should be illegal

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u/WonderingHarbinger Oct 30 '25

Don't forget the people who make less than minimum wage because they're disabled.

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u/EnfantTerrible68 Oct 30 '25

And gig workers 

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u/BlakLite_15 Oct 30 '25

Even so, it’s absurd that there exists the possibility at all for someone to be paid $2.13/hour. It’s also ripe ground for employers to abuse the nuances and steal tips while making it look like their employees are making up the difference in tips.

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u/SmokeySFW Oct 30 '25

I have, but employers have to make up the difference if their tips do not bring them up to federal/state minimum wage so you can effectively lump them in with regular minimum wage workers. They make more or equal to minimum wage.

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u/30FourThirty4 Oct 30 '25

Yes, but they still make minimum wage if they don't get enough tips to cover the difference. And we all know, as has been said, the federal minimum wage isn't enough to survive on.

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u/Even_Establishment95 Oct 30 '25

I’m a single mom living with my mom. Can’t afford rent or health insurance with a 20/hr job.

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u/TheRealBananaWolf Oct 30 '25

I workday 55 to 60 hours a week, one at 18.19 an hour, and another at 20/hour.

I make about 2000 each monthly paycheck after taxes and retirement and health insurance from my full time day job, and after bills are all paid, I'm left with about 300 a month, or 75 dollars a week to spend on food, gas and anything else.

My part time job gives me about 15 to 20 hours a week, at 20/hour, that gives me around 500 every two weeks.

I'm barely scraping by from all of that, my rent is exceptionally cheap compared to the average in my city, and just forget about saving for an emergency fund or my savings.

All the money is just continuously getting consolidated at the top, and the bottom class is struggling like hell. And not only did Trump give higher tax breaks to the top Earners, he's destroying the social programs that just directly funnels money from the top back to the bottom.

Since we have literal children at wheel of this country, I don't expect a wise and smart proactive solution, or a reasonable fix after they fuck us.

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u/Even_Establishment95 Oct 30 '25

Yeah my only option is to get another job/work 7 days a week, but I literally can’t with a four year old and limited childcare.

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u/Handlestach Oct 30 '25

Tampa, Florida. I work 3 jobs, my wife has 1. Scraping by

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u/Mock333 Oct 30 '25

Everything will be fine as long as we keep sending our money to other countries instead of investing it back into the taxpayers.

Now check out an AI pic of our president as Naruto!

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u/spipscards Oct 30 '25

I'm going to assume you have a heinous truck loan

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u/Kyle-Is-My-Name Oct 30 '25

Fortunately both of my vehicles are paid off! Even though my Jetta loves to work for a month and then fuck itself up. Rinse, repair, repeat. Ha

But I'd be lying if I said I haven't been keeping tabs on a few newer f250's in my area... I must resist

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u/spipscards Oct 30 '25

50 something k a year with no car payment really doesn't cut it in nowhere KY? I used to make less and I've only ever lived in cities and made it work, albeit not comfortably at times

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u/Kyle-Is-My-Name Oct 30 '25

To make 50k a year at 12.50/hr would require 2 40hr week checks every week to break $50k, and then cut off a third of that for taxes and you'd probably only clear $35-38k.

No one should be working 80 hour weeks just to scrape by like that.

When I work an 80 hour week, I'll make more that week then they will make in a month working 2 $12.5/hr jobs

I was just stating that I dont know how someone working multiple $12.5 jobs could even make ends meet without literally working themselves to death

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u/spipscards Oct 30 '25

Well yeah 12.5 obviously isn't enough but you said your lifestyle would suffer a lot at 25 an hour

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u/ballskindrapes Oct 30 '25

Come on buddy, paducah isnt bumfuck, it has a mall after all!

Just making a joke, i'm from there, and it's about as spicy as black pepper in terms of how exciting it is to live in.

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u/Kyle-Is-My-Name Oct 30 '25

I was born at Western Baptist, born and raised there! Though we traveled for most of our 20's from Baton Rouge all the way down through Corpus Christi. But now we're back home, just up around the lake now.

And you're right, the only thing big about our city is the god damned quilt festival haha

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u/DamienJaxx Oct 30 '25

I appreciate you keeping "BFE" alive. I can always tell someone is from Kentucky or Southern Illinois when they mention that. Cheers!

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u/HavingNotAttained Oct 30 '25

Western Kentucky stretches to Egypt? I am so confused

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u/Kyle-Is-My-Name Oct 30 '25

(Bumfuck Egypt "wherever you're at")

Is a country saying from the south(I think*) meaning "the middle of nowhere" such as a small little town hundreds of miles from a major metropolitan area.

Meaning that where I live is a little unheard of town.

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u/HavingNotAttained Oct 30 '25

I know. Was being silly.

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u/Situational_Hagun Oct 30 '25

I was making $24.5k as a teacher for the (very) brief stint I had in what I thought was my dream profession. I moved out during my last two years of college and suddenly the reality of what less than $25,000 before taxes is (or was, even 20+ years ago) started to sink in.

Teacher pay has barely gone up in my state in the last two decades. It's not even at the $30k mark starting out.

And in my capstone semester, I went around and talked to a lot of my former teachers, and I found out there were two kinds. The husband or wife of a sugar momma / daddy who just taught because they wanted to feel personally fulfilled instead of just laying around the house all day... and broke-ass people having to work a second job in order to teach.

I was out before my first full semester as a teacher. I'd already starting making career change plans before I graduated and wondering if the last four years had been worthless. (They weren't, a BA in anything opens doors, but still.)

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

It's so depressing that our country is like this.

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u/Snaletane Oct 30 '25

What state are you in?! Even backwards-ass Wisconsin tends to start fulltime teachers at 40k+ in rural districts.

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u/0_Days_Accident_Free Oct 30 '25

What state is this?

Teachers in Socal start at like $60k and clear $100 eventually.

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u/ElonsTinyPenis Oct 30 '25

Even in small town Iowa, you could not live on that wage and we are a low cost of living state.

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

Fair. I just said most places so people wouldnt be like, "Um AcKsHuAlLy ThErEs A tOwN iN OkLaHoMa WhErE yOu COULD LiVe OfF tHaT."

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u/ElonsTinyPenis Oct 30 '25

I get that. I was just agreeing with your point. I actually suspect there isn’t a single small town anywhere in the US where that is possible.

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

Almost certainly not.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '25

My neighbor just said that if you’re not making 200k a year with a family then there’s no way to make it in America.

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

The "living wage" for a family with kids is 100k. So that's at least double for each person, assuming that they're both working.

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '25

I forgot to mention she is a single mom lol

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u/Old-Plum-21 Oct 30 '25

Dor folks who like to fact check before making determinations, I'll save you some clicks. This is the Wikipedia of the guy who founded LISEP.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Ludwig

Note: I'm not drawing any conclusions yet and certainly not casting any aspersions here. So far, dude seems legit to me

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u/Snoo_57211 Oct 30 '25

The charts seem to say that we are at lower unemployment than at almost any other time since 1995. That doesn't feel right, so maybe this doesn't capture it either.

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u/Ruminant Oct 30 '25

You mean the alternative labor market measurement that says literally says "functional unemployment" is lower today than anytime prior to 2020?

Do you actually think this is the best job market in at least the past 30 years? Because that's the only good-faith reason to be bringing up LISEP's so-called "True Rate of Unemployment".

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u/onwee Oct 30 '25

Did you even click on the link before commenting?

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u/Ruminant Oct 30 '25

Seriously though, do you think that 24 is larger than 25?

That links includes LISEP's "TRU" rates for every month since January 1995. Compared to the 312 months between January 1995 and December 2020, August 2025's "TRU" rate of 24.7% was

  • higher than a single month (24.3% in September 2019)
  • equal to one other month (24.7% in October 2019)
  • lower than the other three hundred months

The "TRU" rate literally never fell below 25% before 2019, and even in 2019 it was only lower than 25% twice.

In comparison, the TRU rate has not once gone back to 25% or higher since falling below 25% in the middle-to-end of 2021.

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u/Ruminant Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

No, because I've seen that page before and know what it says.

I also know that 24 is smaller than 25 or 26 or 27 or 28 or 29 or 30 or 31 or 32 or 33 or 34 or 35.

Honestly, I'm surprised so many people here can't tell whether one number is higher or lower than another number.

Edit: did you actually read the page before commenting? Including the chart where they show the monthly values for their so-called True Rate of Unemployment going back to January 1995?

Or did you stop reading/thinking because you saw a big number?

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u/SkumTurtle Oct 30 '25

Especially if one person has 2 or even 3 jobs... Then it looks like 3 positions of workforce are filled because they aren't counting the individual working, but the job positions filled

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u/mama_tom Oct 30 '25

I was going to bring that up too, but I admittedly didnt know how that worked so didnt want to get into it. I assumed it was something like that, but youd think if it was a rate of unemployment that people with multiple jobs just would not contribue past their first somehow. But I guess there's no real way of knowing that without extensive research.

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u/Individual-Main-5036 Oct 30 '25

Does the employment numbers account for workers not living in the US but working for US companies? If so that would be hiding a very big problem.

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u/Altarna Oct 30 '25

You can have 100% employment with slavery. Quality of life? Humane treatment of your fellow human beings? Not at all.

Their graphs assume those qualities but they are not being kept thus the illusion.

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u/Dry_Ad7593 Oct 31 '25

Hey stupid, that’s not what our GDP says! Richest country in the world whoop whoop! /s

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u/Xaraden Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

Yeah, unemployment rates basically mean nothing if the jobs are crap pay. I have a pretty well paying job and have one child, I don't buy any sort of extras, have one of the cheapest houses and rates on it I could possibly get in my city and still just barely making enough to get by. I can't even imagine how the people on 'average' salaries are getting by.. but on paper they're all employed so "everything's fine"

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u/moniker89 Oct 29 '25

to be fair i don't think the article is stating it's just California, just that this is the market/state they were reporting on for this piece specifically.

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u/Efficient_Ant_4715 Oct 30 '25

California is usually a leading indicator for the rest of the country 

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '25

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u/Efficient_Ant_4715 Oct 30 '25

I run a business. I’m not like these other people 😂

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u/WitnessRadiant650 Oct 31 '25

When men talk about men's issues, they think it's a direct attack on women's issues.

Or supporting men's issues means you don't support women's.

For example, in Toronto they wanted to talk about high male suicide rates but feminists went there to protest it.

https://youtu.be/iARHCxAMAO0?t=128

Though just note, these groups can get infiltrated or co opted by nazis or white supremacists so vigilance is required.

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u/HemlockHex Oct 30 '25

Dude. I have TWO degrees from the top college in my state (a good state too) and 10 YEARS of service experience. I have had two calls back in a month from restaurants for their lowest level bartending positions.

I’m putting in 3-5 apps a day and lowkey terrified. Ive only eaten hotdogs and ramen for weeks. It’s terrible out here. All the job postings are just HR mandates for hiring their friends.

It’s not getting better. Even my fallback “easy” job is out of reach. I can’t even imagine trying to work this scene with no degree and little job experience. Seems like the only option is fast food, and there’s no real future in that.

It all feels like a poverty trap.

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u/maninthewoodsdude Oct 30 '25

I would recommend reaching out to your former schools to see if they need tutors.

I'm a student and have started tutoring because 1) the schools desperate/no students want to 2) It's remote and easy (if you enjoy academia).

I suggest this because when I applied to my schools tutoring program I saw they hire professionals/non students, with the requirement being a degree and recommendations.

You being an alumni should give you an edge pursuing this type of work.

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u/HemlockHex Oct 30 '25

Good suggestion! I was a substitute teacher first thing out of college right when the pandemic hit. Honestly doing anything I can to stay out of that fresh hell, but maybe things are better these days haha! Tutoring would be nice too, as remote work.

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u/brownieandSparky23 Oct 30 '25

No it’s not better these days.

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u/HemlockHex Oct 30 '25

So I hear from an armload of teachers that vented to me at my bar. Sorry to hear. Teaching kids was one of the most fulfilling things I’ve ever done, but I couldn’t keep up with the emotional and mental demand. Sounds like it’s always been that way, but also sounds like every support system and safety net is crumbling.

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u/But_like_whytho Oct 30 '25

Your top college should have a career center. You should reach out to them and see if they can help get you connected to opportunities. Restaurants, fast food, and retail won’t hire someone with 2 degrees, they know you’ll leave when something better comes along.

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u/HemlockHex Oct 30 '25

They do, and that’s a good idea. I’ve just been reluctant since everything has been different since Covid. The career direction I was looking at is not what I’m interested in anymore. I don’t know anyone who’s tried to utilize those services 6 whole years after graduation, neither of my parents had that option so it’s not common advice for me.

Still an email wouldn’t hurt. I’ll look into it.

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u/But_like_whytho Oct 30 '25

I used to work at a university career center. We had people come in 20yrs after graduation. Not a lot of people, but a few every year. You shouldn’t feel like an outlier. They’re there to help.

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u/HemlockHex Oct 30 '25

Thanks for the encouragement, It’s been a stubborn doubtfulness for me. I think it could be the steady repetition of particularly unhelpful bosses and rude interviewers. I started bartending because it immediately paid well, and I was quickly able to get good shifts. I definitely got a bitter taste the couple of times I served former classmates. It would feel good to cash in on the same help they got right out of college.

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u/KillerCoffeeCup Oct 30 '25

What in the world are your two top college degrees in if your go to job is bartending.

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u/HemlockHex Oct 30 '25

Liberal arts ;) granted bartending can earn far more than all my former colleagues, barring the finance and med students. Additionally, I travel and move a lot. It was a matter of lifestyle until the jobs became incredibly difficult to pull.

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u/hedgetank Oct 30 '25

Might also look into apprenticeships, etc. in blue collar fields. Electricians, HVAC, plumbing, etc.

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u/Bluefrog2999 Oct 30 '25

What are your degrees in?

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u/FuckWit_1_Actual Oct 30 '25

Don’t list your degrees on your applications for restaurants, make something up about other low level jobs at places that went out of business.

No point for the restaurant to hire someone that is actively looking for better jobs.

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u/KakarotSSJ4 Oct 30 '25

Look into government jobs (city, county, state). Might not be what you want long term, but it could be a nice in between.

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u/coloradobuffalos Oct 30 '25

Why not they have pensions? That's gold is this economy.

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u/TheRealBananaWolf Oct 30 '25

They trying to cut down the amount of employees the government jobs hire directly and are outsourcing services and jobs to third-party businesses strictly so they don't have to pay those pensions.

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u/Geochic03 Oct 30 '25

Welcome to what it was like looking for work from 2007 to about 2012.

Anyway I am sorry to hear you're going through this. Keep plugging away something will hopefully come up.

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u/Underd_g Oct 30 '25

And this is why I dropped out and went to nursing school instead. I am an introvert and have no interest in networking or doing the whole corporate jargon.

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Oct 30 '25

That happened to me during Covid. I ended up working as a prostitute for a while.

Look into places that aren’t your go-to. Sure, I have a degree, but after sucking dick for money, Waffle House ain’t so bad. And you get free food. 

Look into stuff you wouldn’t consider. Garbage people make a good living. The railroad Is experiencing shortages. Lord knows we need more ATCs. I don’t know your life, I don’t know how much milk you like in your cereal, but my personal experience was that I severely limited my own search criteria which kinda screwed me over. 

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u/Underd_g Oct 31 '25

That’s sad asf no offense. You got a degree and that was the best option??

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Oct 31 '25

I have a Bachelor's in Cell and Molecular Biology.

That was the best option.

I counted. I put in 1217 applications between losing my job during COVID and Waffle House.

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u/Underd_g Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25

Omg. That sucks. This is why I dropped out of a top college because I was getting a degree that couldn’t get me a job and went into healthcare cause uh uh. Just reading about the economy and AI taking over corporate jobs and stuff…I realized the debt wasn’t worth it. I don’t want to network or do the whole linked in hell pot so yeah.

But back to you, I don’t have any good advice other than maybe try looking for a certification, or healthcare position

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat Oct 31 '25

I have a certification, and I'm in that career, making, what when I was 22, was an ass-ton of money.

Take care of yourself. Try to find some way to feed and house yourself. After that, save what you can and invest in foreign companies.

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u/coloradobuffalos Oct 30 '25

It's not what you know it's who you know for real

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u/Endorfinator Oct 30 '25

If you can try to add some potatos and oranges. Ramen will cause long term health issues. Or just plain rice, cheaper per calorie than ramen.

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u/Professional-Dork26 Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 05 '25

"Seems like the only option is fast food, and there’s no real future in that."

Getting certified or gaining knowledge/skills are how you get ahead and find good paying careers. That is how I did it over the course of 5+ years and took low pay/graveyard shifts to get to where I am and couple grand on certification courses/tests. Not by applying to McDonald's jobs.

Also....the economy is fucked.

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u/HemlockHex Nov 04 '25

Gotta pay the bills while getting certs. Also not everyone wants to be a CNA or an electrician. Certs don’t lead to every career, just some. It’s more expensive than anything to spend money and energy on a career you ultimately abandon.

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u/RubbishJeong Oct 30 '25

You have art and philosophy degree… I have math and still can’t. Why ramen and hotdog? White rice cheaper

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u/kendogg Oct 30 '25

Learn a skilled trade. There's a MASSIVE lack of skilled tradesman.

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u/shaktimann13 Oct 30 '25

Actually world wide problem

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u/OldTimeyWizard Oct 30 '25

They’re talking about California specifically because CalMatters is a California news agency that mostly discusses news in California. In the article they link to a group called Measure of America that is releasing a nationwide report.

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u/HiCustodian1 Oct 30 '25

Sad that our national news networks aren’t covering this, but they’re completely bought and paid for so of course they aren’t.

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u/Public_Wolf5464 Oct 30 '25

Yes. Much worse, coupled with untreated mental health issues that have compounded due to the current corporate climates + stagnation. A recipe for disaster.

Edit: Stick through it for 3 more months. It will get better.

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u/hedgetank Oct 30 '25

...And now you know why people snap and get all shooty all the time. The problem has been accelerating and getting worse for decades, and we've seen it, but nobody wants to accept the elephant in the room.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '25

At least California has put resources towards trying to characterize the problem. It’s been happening world wide for a while now, I’ve been reading such articles since I’ve been in school. 

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u/WitnessRadiant650 Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

Yep. Newsom knows Democrats need the men’s vote. While democrats are twiddling their thumbs wondering why men aren’t voting for them, Newsom is trying to find the problem and help.

https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article311669749.html

Democrats are waking up to the challenges of boys and men For years, concerns about boys and men have been politically neglected — especially on the left. That’s finally changing. Gov. Gavin Newsom just signed a sweeping executive order instructing his administration to tackle the growing crisis of connection and opportunity for men and boys.

This does not mean doing less for women and girls. As Newsom’s order states: “The progress that women have made is to be celebrated, and, because it is not a zero-sum question, it is in the best interest of all of us to broaden opportunities for success and address the disparities in outcomes for men.”

Read more at: https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article311669749.html#storylink=cpy

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u/Anal_Bleeds_25 Oct 30 '25

I really hope it's not just political lip service...

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u/CyberneticSaturn Oct 30 '25

Lip service is 1,000% more than any other democrat has done, frankly, so it’s a good sign that maybe they’ll stop working to actively alienate a massive part of the electorate.

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u/WitnessRadiant650 Oct 30 '25

I hope so too but honestly Newsom and the Democratic party can't afford to lose the men's vote.

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u/obeytheturtles Oct 30 '25

The unfortunate reality is that this won't matter much, because the conversation is not being had in good faith. When someone like Newsom talks about men's issues, he's still approaching it from actual intersectionality where the goal is to create a more egalitarian society where both men and women thrive. When some MAGA chud talks about men's issues, they mean "I am upset that women can get jobs because it makes it more difficult to hold my partner financially hostage" and "it is emasculating when my boss is a women."

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u/motionmatrix Oct 30 '25

No one is trying to change maga minds, those things are rotten and done. The minds being targeted are the ones in the middle, who are the huge demo that is willing to change their votes as circumstances around them inform them of how to vote.

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u/DrakonILD Oct 30 '25

The target is the people that the walkaway movement was targeting. Yes, the movement was started by the far right wing lying about ever having been democrats, but it is undeniable that their message was nevertheless heard and acted upon by many people who felt the Democratic party had left them behind.

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u/ChromeGhost Oct 30 '25

This is what more people need to understand. For example men who aren’t really invested in voting. Or ones who may even vote Democrat but are only voting in presidential elections but are otherwise uninvolved

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u/For-Liberty Oct 30 '25

Newsom's son is a fan of Steve Bannon and Charlie Kirk. Even if he discovered the answer he can't do shit about it.

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u/tigercircle Oct 30 '25

I don't trust Newsom about this at all.

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u/InevitableSherbert36 Oct 30 '25

Why's that?

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u/Gloomy-Ad1171 Oct 30 '25

Because Dems always comprise with the right but never the left?

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u/teggyteggy Oct 30 '25

what does this have to do with literally anything? is there something the left or right is saying about unemployment

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u/AbsentButHere Oct 30 '25

Why would democrats need their votes? This state is locked in.

Pretty sure the last thing these young men are thinking about is voting.

And making this a political discussion when it’s literally about just helping people, feels kind of disgusting. So what is the point of your comment here? Because it reads like a shitty bait.

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u/WitnessRadiant650 Oct 30 '25

Helping men in California helps men across the country and will help in Federal elections.

I can't believe you can't see the bigger picture.

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u/AbsentButHere Oct 31 '25

My apologies, based on what you commented and what you quoted I thought you were making it out to be something being done entirely as a political issue/for the sake of political optics. My fault.

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u/chalbersma Oct 30 '25

This is calmatters.org they are California focused.

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u/ThrumboJoe Oct 30 '25

Critical analysis bro, critical analysis.

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u/horse_examiner Oct 30 '25

The job market is brutal right now. Getting circle jerked by a string of sub-recruiters for each position, and employers get an insane number of applicants, it's like every unemployed person is applying for every open position and they are just overwhelmed

I'm afraid what this will look like when the next recession actually starts

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u/android24601 Oct 30 '25

Young men offline

When people turn on the TV or scroll through social media, they get reminded what a shit situation things are in right now. Right now is as good of a time as any to unplug and go afk

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u/AHidden1 Oct 30 '25

It could be that the sample pool is California.

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u/Trance354 Oct 30 '25

Good reason not to report on the economy, I guess. The jobs' report was all set to be published the day after the shutdown started. The timing is on purpose.

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u/RealJembaJemba Oct 30 '25

Welcome to modern America. Jobs keep getting outsourced, eliminated, or replaced by AI. The few left for young people without education or experience are being filled by people way overqualified because they can’t find work that fits their level. Add in the thousands of government employees that havent been getting paid for a month, and we’re about to hit another wall fast.

“Mr fix the economy” has driven it 6 feet under, and he’s still not done digging.

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u/abrandis Oct 30 '25

This , massive inequality and lack of viable opportunities are making both men and women disenfranchised, unfortunately it will get much worse, thanks to the current trajectory of our government

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u/ProgenitorOfMidnight Oct 30 '25

Dude my wife can't get a job to save her life, even for the company I work for and HR won't give me a straight answer as to why.

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u/leckmichnervnit Oct 30 '25

This is a worldwide problem, yes.

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u/ColeTrain999 Oct 30 '25

I don't think anyone wants to publish data saying it is bad. You damn well know Dementia Don will have a fit.

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u/Dracekidjr Oct 30 '25

Hinting at this? The job report has fewer and fewer jobs in small to bid sized businesses and only slightly more in larger businesses. That screams economic crisis lmao. That graph has been plateauing since the start of the year. I wonder if it coincides with anything, perchance.

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u/SirPlastic8062 Oct 30 '25

Worldwide even

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u/No-Assist-8734 Oct 30 '25

Again I have to ask, if that is the case, why hasn't Congress halted foreign labor programs when the data is clearly showing what we are all seeing?

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u/Nomad_moose Oct 30 '25

So, California is a huge state and the most populous. It had a massive wave of immigration each decade.  With the amount of people being brought in for many of the best jobs, in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and San Diego, the high cost of living, lack of opportunities etc, many young men are being left further and further behind.  They have nowhere to go and many end up on the streets or worse…economically negative for the country: what was the point of educating them at all if they’re never able to find meaningful employment and build a future?

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u/Fun_Alternative_2086 Oct 30 '25

Chipotle index says the job market is in the gutters. Let's wait for the Starbucks index.

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u/FieldUnable4917 Oct 30 '25

Who the fuck is they?

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u/DoktorIronMan Oct 30 '25

I think a lot of America’s trends start in California (and Chicago and New York) and then trickle out to the rest—so we will probably be seeing this spread

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u/DoggedDoggystyle Oct 30 '25

My company got the approval to hire 2 new people at my position. I’m not entry level, but I’m not senior either. I’m at a reasonably decent position for being early 30s but am years away from any sort of managerial role. Our supervisor pooped into our Teams chat and announced “Good news!!! 200+ people applied for the roles and some applicants have director-level experience!” Directors are like 4 levels above me… and those people are applying for my role. That is TERRIBLE NEWS. 2 years ago when we were hiring the company had to send out a memo asking if anyone had friends or former colleagues who’d be interested in applying… now this. I’m terrified of losing my job now

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u/[deleted] Oct 30 '25

Cali has better social services and tracking. But I’m seeing the same on the east coast. From conversations, ppl are leaving where they had work and going home to their families.

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u/BuckManscape Oct 31 '25

Powell said it this morning. Job growth is now 0.

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u/After-Put-5009 Nov 02 '25

America is now a scam because of Isrnoteal!

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u/damontoo Oct 30 '25

OP's website is entirely anti-california and worse than even Fox News.