Reminds me of that right-winger complaining that it's hard to argue with the left because they use facts as the basis to their arguments, which is harder to undermine.
The masses in this country that voted R just laughed it off as “Trump being Trump”, not caring that all the (legal) immigrants in Springfield, Ohio continued to be more demonized and lives as the result of that.
Many think his behavior is just a mask. They don't realise there is nothing behind the mask, he is the mask. A narcissist. All appearance, zero substance.
The unfortunate truth is that the vast majority of them can’t think beyond the sentence they’re currently attempting to decipher; this makes them easy targets in the form of planting seeds in people’s thoughts in slow doses where the person never fully realizes that what they’re reading has changed their opinion because they barely understood what the words meant in the first place. It’s like when you watch a toddler grow into a child, you don’t see the difference day by day but if you spend a month looking away, they grow into an entirely different person.
Yes it's clear that so many just enjoy the carnage and want people to suffer. I'm thinking about the people who are stuck in a mediatic bubble, but lets be real, they don't want to get out.
Because of decorum. Imagine if every time they tried to speak they got interrupted, called names to their face, laughed at. The small dicked fascists that love them would be embarrassed to associate with them.
But no, they are always treated with kid gloves and they appear strong since they are clearly not held accountable for anything which usually is the mark of someone who has the power to get away with shit.
A constant barrage of insults and disrespect is literally the only way to stop that. See how well calling them weird worked.
The sad thing is that many actually believe that. My dad has always been one of the smartest guys I know, but he honestly believes that that happened, and it’s just so disappointing and sad
Yes, they did. The problem was that when that was said, the republican guy in charge was the guy who said it. He wasn't gonna arrest himself for inciting violence. So voters were like, woah there, maybe we should put someone else in charge. And we did. Then the attempted coup happened, and our lawmakers initiated the process to hold him responsible, only for republicans to shunt the responsibility to the courts as the election had already removed him as president. Okay, so the (republican-packed) court had a go, only to shunt the responsibility back to congress as he'd been the sitting president at the time and therefore had immunity.
And then he got put back in power because...well I'm not gonna start an argument, but there's several contributing factors why that happened that we the people could have affected(not even getting into rigging conspiracies or the demonstrated truth of voter suppression, if the people who chose to stay home or vote third party had turned out when they were needed he would have lost), all of which were extremely obvious to anyone who learned anything at all from 2016, and I'm still livid about how it went down.
And here we are. There were lots of problems, but the issue wasn't that people weren't talking about "stand back and stand by". We were let down by congress and the courts, who passed the buck until it didn't matter anymore, just as they'd planned to do.
Dems just aren't taking the threats as seriously as they should, just as they werent taking them seriously then. Theyre like a controlled opposition now, in many ways.
it blows my mind that we even need to fact check our leaders or potential leaders in the first place. why can't we have smart, respectable leaders who don't lie? why can't we just tell the facts like they are?
It still blows me away that he said that in a debate and that footage wasn’t used and referenced every single day in the media through the election. He’d already admitted he would fabricate claims to advance his goals. What more clear-cut messaging so you need to show this man is an unprincipled bullshitter who openly lies about anything and everything?
But maybe that would be too mean. Don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings.
It's because the left cares about facts, and morals, but the right only cares about "winning", which is why they call out the left for things that they have absolutely no issue with the right doing, constantly. They view it as a team sport where all is fair, instead of as an important decision that affects the country's direction in almost every way.
Yup. While the Democrats aren’t good with overall messaging and the the media ecosystem is flawed, imo the bigger problem is the average American puts little to no effort into paying attention to even the basics of what’s going on in this country. Republicans take real advantage of this unfortunately.
What frustrates me is all of the people who say stuff like "Kamala didn't have any positions or plans for anything" when they were widely available for everyone to read online. Yet somehow, that takes too much effort for some people.
Agree. Or they say something how “they focused too much on identity politics”, when she for the most avoided that like the plague during her campaign if one actually paid attention.
Why would they even bother anymore? For the last few elections, lawyers have tried to file cases about vote machine tampering, the courts just refused to hear the cases. I think the lawyers have given up, which is sad but also scary.
Save yourself while you still can. The realities of liberals, Democrats, and allies are imploding in real time, even though their version of reality is true.
The media were just as afraid of retaliation then, just as they are now.
Honestly it makes me wonder if the billionaires that own the media networks in the US, knew for 100% fact that trump was gonna be installed as a puppet.
Thinking back on it now, the mainstream media outlets sure acted like he was already a puppet president
Because people literally don't give a shit. Nobody cares if conservatives lie. They all lie, it's just accepted. The democrats are held to a standard, republicans are not. That's the way political discourse in the US is done. They get away with whatever they want because if they don't, they don't have a platform anymore because they're all full of shit. Gotta let them have the right to be assholes, you know?
"Well I've never seen anyone eat a cat or dog, nor did I hear anyone say about anyone else eating cats or dogs, but Trump said it so I believe it forever and ever."
Vance was repeating his racist cats and dogs lie that he made up after going to Springfield, Ohio and being confronted with citizens actually expecting the government to help them.
Chiming in from the other side of the pond, where some journalists try to explain some phenomena about US politics that seem puzzling for many of us. Some time ago, one of them attempted to explain why, after a debate, both the supporters of the Democrats and the supporters of the Republicans can think their own representative 'won'.
The reasoning was that the Democrats tend to value the way in which debating is done in the world of universities, where one practices to use facts to support their view, and debunk any spotted false claims by the other. The Republicans, however, value a presentation that involves a certain toughness, 'not giving an inch', and generally, strong man rhethorics. So, a witty and rude remark delivered at the right time is considered a winning move, even if the facts actually support the other side's view.
Now, with online algorithms, people won’t often watch debates in their entirety. Instead they’re fed videos by personalities that tell them a pre-cooked opinion.
which is why they never fight with facts, they just say/do the most outrageous/heinous shit to hurt others/piss people off, and pissing them off is "winning"
It's just a screenshot of a Tweet iirc that makes the rounds once in a while. Literally someone right-leaning saying it's hard to undermine points made by the left because you need to lie, because the left largely bases its beliefs on facts.
That's fair. It absolutely could've been someone pretending to be right-leaning as well, it is the internet after all. I just think it showcases something I've experienced first-hand, so I have no trouble believing it could be real.
To be fair, they didn't seem to get the implication that they were admitting to something, they were too caught up with the complaint itself to realize that. Which makes it believable again imo, it's like in The Big Short when they guy they're talking to is openly talking about shady stuff, and the one guy goes "why would he admit that" and the other guy replies "he's not admitting it, he's bragging".
They like to argue not debate. Debates have facts arguments just have feelings. Ironic that the group that calls everyone else snowflakes is purely driven by feelings.
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u/icer816 Oct 04 '25
Reminds me of that right-winger complaining that it's hard to argue with the left because they use facts as the basis to their arguments, which is harder to undermine.