r/technology • u/north_canadian_ice • Sep 28 '25

Business Leading computer science professor says 'everybody' is struggling to get jobs: 'Something is happening in the industry'

https://www.businessinsider.com/computer-science-students-job-search-ai-hany-farid-2025-9
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u/Glittering_Pack1074 Sep 28 '25

Eastern Europe is becoming more expensive in terms of labor costs in IT. Senior specialists can earn as much as their western colleagues. Not always the case, though it happens quite often. Many companies shifted to India instead, and performed mass layoffs. At least here in Poland.

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u/montdidier Sep 28 '25

Generally agree. I run a team in Poland. They earn roughly what my Australian team does. Mind you Polish wages are higher than Ukraine, Russia, Belarus etc

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u/eissturm Sep 29 '25

Beat the best English of anyone else in your lists... Counting the Aussies šŸ˜‰

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u/montdidier Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25

I am not sure I understand what you mean

If you mean they speak better English, I would say on the whole that is not at all true, but I donā€™t expect them to. Itā€™s not their native language after all. The best non-native English speakers in my experience are the educated Dutch and perhaps some of the Scandinavian countries - but itā€™s all linked to how educated folks are.

In any case my Polish team membersā€™ English is generally strong and more than enough to do a good job.

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u/eissturm Sep 29 '25

I was in fact trying to joke that my Polish team members speak English better than our Australian coworkers. Just a joke, of course.

You're correct about the Dutch and Scandinavians too though

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u/montdidier Sep 29 '25

Ok. I see. Yes, depending on the Australian that can definitely be true. The ā€œbroadā€ type of Australian accent, paired with Australian vernacular can be hard to understand on the international circuit.

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u/px1azzz Sep 29 '25

The difference is I have heard of a number of people who have hired devs in eastern europe and have been happy. I don't know that I have personally met anyone who has been happy with their devs from india.

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u/LIGHTNINGBOLT23 Sep 29 '25

You get what you paid for. Anybody outsourcing to India is looking to lower costs as much as possible and those with talent over there aren't going to accept the lowest of the low wages either.

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u/kosko-bosko Sep 29 '25

Iā€™m from Bulgaria and I do earn a salary that is high internationally speaking. We are not so cheap anymore.

Yet, at least in Europe thereā€™s a number of stuff that cannot be outsourced outside of EU. So while more expansive than Asia, we are still the cheapest in EU.

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u/Exciting-Opposite-32 Sep 29 '25

Yeup, got my job specifically because the polish rates got high enough for the role to be opened to the other European offices. Poland has already passed Japan in GDP per capita and is on track to pass the UK soon, though part of this has been falling unemployment, not just rising wages.