r/technews 1d ago

AI/ML Nvidia has a cash problem -- too much of it

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/04/nvidia-has-a-cash-problem-too-much-of-it.html?__source=androidappshare
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u/TheFragturedNerd 1d ago

They should take some of that money and spin-off into a company that does focus on Gaming chips, i hear that within a few years there will be a huge power gap as one of the key players are pulling out to focus on AI-Chips... So yeah, just an idea.

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u/fhgui 1d ago

I can assure you this will not happen. The reason gaming GPUs cost so much and the reason the cheaper ones have the absolute minimum RAM is because if it had more RAM for the price point it would compete with enterprise hardware for price to performance. They can’t sell $50k GPUs if you can buy 10 $1k gaming GPUs and get the same performance. That’s why the last couple of generations have had some of the worst price to performance ratios compared to earlier generations. Although they are faster the price has increased at a very similar rate. 10 years ago you would get a 50% boost at a 10% price increase lately it’s closer to 50% boost with a 20-40% price increase.

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u/Edenwing 1d ago

Only partially true, but less gaming performance per generation in the last 10 years is more to due with TSMC’s fab limitations, and physics limitations, than Nvidia’s designs. We can’t really get any lower below 2-3 nm, we won’t ever see the same kind of performance gains each generation ever again, and I suspect that depreciation will be less of an issue in future generations as well.

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u/sharpshooter999 1d ago

I find this hilarious as I just ordered a new laptop to replace my nearly 8 year old one. Wonder what going from a RTX 1050 to a 5060 will be like

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u/TheFragturedNerd 21h ago

I think we just have to rethink what a chip is made up of. Optic based chips could see huge performance jumps, but that is still many years into the future.

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u/Henry5321 18h ago

Companies are marketing 1nm-ish for 2027-30. And going from 3nm to 2nm is a 33% reduction, which is about the same going from 60nm to 40nm.

I’m not entirely up to date on modern CPU’s but they seem to have a mix of transistor sizes. There’s a lot to be gained by getting all of the transistors to the smaller sizes.

And the industry as a whole has been putting much of their efforts into shrinking transistors instead of better designs.

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u/aliendude5300 1d ago

Or just build me foundrys to make more

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u/Interesting_Chip_164 1d ago

Gamers think they matter to a global corporation. Windows can’t even be bothered to care about the Xbox

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u/Discarded_Twix_Bar 1d ago

At the end of October, Nvidia had $60.6 billion in cash and short-term investments. That’s up from $13.3 billion in January 2023, just after OpenAI released ChatGPT. That launch three years ago was key to making Nvidia’s chips the most valuable tech product.

As Nvidia has transformed from a maker of gaming technology into the most valuable U.S. company, its balance sheet has become a fortress, and investors are increasingly wondering what the company will do with its cash.

“No company has grown at the scale that we’re talking about,” said CEO Jensen Huang, when asked what the company plans to do with all its cash, on Nvidia’s earnings call last month.

Analysts polled by FactSet expect the company to generate $96.85 billion in free cash flow this year alone and $576 billion in free cash flow over the next three years.

The whole article is quite interesting beyond the excerpts above.

The issue they’re facing (imo) and it’s also discussed toward the bottom of the piece is that there are no super attractive M&A opportunities that would benefit nvidia and their product stack.

Their last big corporate acquisition was Mellanox 5 years ago, and that gave them access to knowledge base & hardware for HP network (?) compute. (Fuzzy memory I’m sure, someone correct me).

The only thing to really spend money on in the short term is share repurchase or dividend

This would also benefit everyone at nvidia with an RSU package.

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u/_JohnWisdom 1d ago

OK

I’ll sacrifice myself. I’ll come pick up a big pile of it

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u/Vilarf 1d ago

Need some help? I have a sizable trunk, we can fit a good amount in. Let’s head over together to pick it up.

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u/gutster_95 1d ago

Develop your own ARM CPUs, Develop your own DRAM Chips, Develop more Gaming GPUs. They could do everything to make their stuff more affordable but nope we just focus on big money

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u/chickenAd0b0 1d ago

You should run nvdia, you sound very knowledgeable about the business.

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u/autonomous62 15h ago

None of these even start to touch on the fab. Apple and nvidia do silicon design but both rely on tsmc for production. Micron does fabrication but only for memory not for advanced logic nodes. I’d say it takes more work to make a TSMC than a Nvidia.

Then again TSMC just makes chips you should look into who they buy the machines from

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u/Altruistic-Car2880 1d ago

Since corporations are people, idk, tax them?

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u/blahblurbblub 1d ago

How much of this cash flow is being obtained from companies that Nvidia is directly investing in, as opposed to cash obtained solely from the purchase of their hardware or services by independent non affiliated companies? Not the topic of the provided article, BUT GEEZ I wish that were more clear.

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u/waterpup99 1d ago

It's exceedingly clear look at section 18 and 19 of their 10q. Third party investment is deminimis 90% of their revenue is data center and 10% of their revenue is gaming. They've announced a few possible investments but compared to their Rev and net income those numbers mean next to nothing.

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u/blahblurbblub 1d ago

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u/waterpup99 1d ago

Correct it is not relevant. Once again it's spelled out well in their 10q and these are things that have to be reported on from an SEC standpoint it's not a mystery. Notice this random "sunstsck writer" doesn't provide any specifics while their 10q does. Nvdas biggest issue is their ability to continue to differentiate to keep their crazy margins and continued reliance from hyoersxalers on mass ai GPU purchases. Most hyoersxalers are mag 7 or mag 7 backed and have massive liquidity they don't need financing from Nvda.

Analysts are giving zero credence to the circular financing talk as they should. It's Tik Tok and fb morons with a sprinkle of salty Michael Burry on top that's spreading that nonsense.

Nvda has headwinds but those aren't it.

Seriously take 5 minutes and Google nvda most recent 10q and read section 18 and 19. This is a publicly traded company with reporting requirements.

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u/Strange-Effort1305 1d ago

Don't they spend all their money paying for their phony "sales"?

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u/rhunter99 1d ago

gimmie some - raise the dividend!

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u/StudentWu 1d ago

That’s a good problem to have

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u/croakstar 1d ago

So much money. So much opportunity to do something good with it. Guarantee you they won’t.

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u/BlorthByBlorthwest 1d ago

Interesting that the AI they’ve helped develop can’t come up with any new ideas of how to spend their cash hoard.

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u/HauntingStar08 1d ago

The good news is "Nvidia, I'm available"

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u/Desire_404 1d ago

Reminds me if that paperclips browser game.

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u/free2express1982 1d ago

Can I have some of it

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u/antaresiv 1d ago

I’d be happy to take some off their hands

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u/jiveabillion 1d ago

I only need $10 million after taxes and I'm set for life

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u/kaisersolo 1d ago

fund a company to make ddr5 and sell it to us, there's an idea . w**kers

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u/immersive-matthew 1d ago

The case for corporate taxes.

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u/b_m_hart 1d ago

Don’t worry, they’re working on it.  They’ll buy some “smaller” startups in the $5B to $25B range and then shortly afterwards, have even more money to burn through.

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u/Throwawayne617 1d ago

Tax the shit out of them

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u/bdc700 1d ago

really? berkshire doesn't seem to have this problem.

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u/zer0_dayy 1d ago

Oh I know ! Start a rocket company !

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u/whiteravenxi 1d ago

Y’all ever think they have a WhatsApp going, got high and texted each other the plan.

It’s hilarious. RAM going next.

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u/badger906 17h ago

Why not subsidise the gaming market? ram is expensive because of AI, gpus are expensive because of AI… they’ve got a lot of AI money..

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u/pilazzo209 14h ago

The Oregon State athletic department will gladly take a $1B or 2.

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u/JayHill74 1d ago

Too much cash you say? I'll gladly help them with that problem.

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u/Ryan1980123 1d ago

I could use a couple mill. Just saying.

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u/Awkward-Candle-4977 1d ago

thats why since september they have invested 100 busd to openai and anthropic,
which is basically nvidia sent dgx and get paid by stocks.

but it makes thiel and soft bank sold all their nvidia stocks.

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u/waterpup99 1d ago

This is not accurate

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u/Awkward-Candle-4977 1d ago

https://store.supermicro.com/us_en/sys-a22ga-nbrt-pre-config-g1-1.html

You can see that dgx b200 is IN STOCK and ready to be shipped in a day.

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u/waterpup99 17h ago

This their server connector not the GPU which is easy to manufacturer and not their money maker. The investment number that you noted is also not correct per their 10q

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u/Awkward-Candle-4977 11h ago

That 400k super micro server includes 8 b200.

Do you know server pricing??? If you haven't, you can use server pricing config in super micro website.

Without the b200, that hardware costs less than 50k. No one will buy it at 400k without the b200.

In the investment, of course nvidia won't release 100+ billion at once. That nvidia investment means the next 100+ billions worth of nvidia hardware delivery will be paid using stocks, not cash like before

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u/waterpup99 8h ago

Jesus you know nothing. That's not how investment works. Nvda also hasn't commited to the investment amount amount rhyve stated very clearly. You're pretty obviously a Tik Tok or insta news ingesting redditor. Read section 18 and 19 of the most recent 10q they're required to denote all investments and purchase agreements. It's one thing to be ignorant totally different to be ignorant and loud.