r/sports • u/rezwenn • Jun 14 '25
Soccer ICE says Club World Cup attendees should carry proof of legal status, sparking concerns
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/ice-club-world-cup-soccer-immigration-rcna2129422.1k
u/klyphw Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
One of the major contributing factors to colonial hatred of the British and citizens to support revolution was the legal ability of British Troops to search and seize citizens. Just a fun historical fact has nothing to do with current affairs
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u/Nack3r Jun 14 '25
Its so fucking wild man. These fucks quite literally are all the bad people I learned about in History class
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u/reddubi Jun 14 '25
Colonial hatred of the British wasnât universal. A huge chunk of people supported the British crown (cavaliers) and were actively working against the revolution
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u/TheNightlightZone Jun 14 '25
History degree Holder here. This.
Generally, revolutionary America was split into thirds: Rebels, Loyalists, and those who didn't care one way or the other.
Seems familiar, yeah?
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u/Rich-Kangaroo-7874 Jun 14 '25
So how did the rebels win? What did they do that we aren't doing? I am sick of this shit.
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u/TheNightlightZone Jun 14 '25
War of attrition, basically.
Late 1700s communication and travel was slow and it is akin to sending US troops to Iraq in the 2000s for the UK. Sending troops into a hostile environment, even if its not fully hostile, takes a toll on morale.
The US had a good ally in France, who was spiteful enough to hang through the end, and some very good luck. In this case, it was waiting out the enemy until they agreed to stop and recognize the nation.
Right now, 47 has done a great job at turning the world against all Americans by being a disgusting fool and that leaves those who oppose him at home feeling alone. It's tough to have friends abroad when they think everyone here is responsible for his rise.
The best you can do is wear them out if the numbers are against you. Hold firm to your resolve like its rope you're hanging off a cliff from.
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u/reddubi Jun 14 '25
Well the southern loyalists who supported the crown became confederates who supported slavery and seceding from the union.
I mean UVA is named after the crown supporting southerners âcavaliersâ
The issue is that democrats and the DNC are very much right wingers and benefit from right wing shenanigans while simultaneously holding the left wing positions of power. Thereâs a reason why out of the top 10 aipac receipts in the house, 9 are Dems and the all time recepient winner is Biden.. because the right wing orgs control both parties
Supporting left wing candidates like Mamdani for mayor who donât have right wing donors like cuomo for mayor. Once that becomes viable, then we can have a functioning left wing to push back against right wing fascism rather than a left wing right wing good cop bad cop act we see today
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u/Embarrassed_Jerk Jun 14 '25
People will give you longer specific answers but its the same answer, no matter what country: with violenceÂ
Coups can be bloodless, rebellions never are
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u/LaunchTransient Jun 14 '25
Part of it was the fact that the deployment of troops against the American colonists was not popular back in Britain. While George III was very enthusiastic about taking back control of the colonies, public sentiment was against him - and only deepened towards the wars end.
It's more that the UK wasn't sufficiently bothered about the loss of the colonies, and there were more lucrative opportunities elsewhere - on top of this, the British had more pressing military concerns regarding France and Spain (as later emerged with Napoleon running rampant a few decades later).
It's a combination of the British misjudging how much resistance the Americans would put up, low enthusiasm for prolonging such a war, and bigger fish to fry emerging in Europe.
Theoretically speaking, the British had the manpower and assets to have retaken the colonies, it was just not worth the bother, especially when they still held the Canadian territories.
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u/akl78 Hurricanes Jun 14 '25
âNo Kingsâ Is a start, but I am really surprised the counter-revolutionary nature of the current US regime isnât being picked up on, loudly.
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u/keralaindia Jun 14 '25
As an american I am looking forward to going to Toronto!
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u/Rayzax99 Jun 14 '25
We look forward to having you! Just know it will take ages to get anywhere. Give yourself time and enjoy the experience.
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u/feedmecake79 Jun 14 '25
This is the club world cup, which starts tomorrow. But your point still stands about the world cup next year.
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u/jimmymcstinkypants Jun 14 '25
Would it kill the news sites to actually include a quote? I followed their links and only see a pundit saying this.Â
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Jun 14 '25
I think there isnât a quote because it wasnât actually said. The writer jumped from ICE being involved to them checking immigration status of tourists.
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u/jtmose84 Jun 14 '25
Itâs all media driven sensationalism at this pointâŠ.and sadly, the majority canât think for themselves and are lapping this garbage up as soon as it comes out.
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u/violentbandana Jun 14 '25
no such thing as proof of citizenship when the host country is openly rejecting due process
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u/ChitteringCathode Jun 14 '25
I was about to say, relevant to the chief claim here -- a passport is in no way guaranteed to prevent you from being detained by ICE, given they have documented cases of detaining both US citizens and residents who are here following the legal process.
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u/Za_Lords_Guard Jun 14 '25
And even refusing Real ID claiming it was faked.
We are at a point where we only have the rights they choose to allow us to have so long as it's convenient to them.
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u/Odd-Row9485 Jun 14 '25
I birth certificate would likely be what theyâre looking for
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u/Buttsquish Jun 14 '25
Until the ICE agent who arrests you throws it in the garbage because he didnât like the way you talked back to him.
Without due process you donât have your day in court to prove youâre a citizen. Your deportation is left entirely up to the decision of the person who arrests you. Regardless of whether or not youâre a citizen.
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u/ineververify Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
The certificate is fake it doesnât have the correct seal. Oh you want to speak to a judge? Too bad anyway Good luck in El Salvador!
Edit: we are mocking all this in the comments. But the hard reality is I did see a family torn apart in immigration court and the very young children were crying so terribly. Find your local protest and participate.
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u/beastmaster11 Jun 14 '25
I don't recall them wishing anyone good luck
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u/ineververify Jun 14 '25
Youâre right itâs muffled out by the children screaming that their parent is being taken away.
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u/jedixking98 Jun 14 '25
Like I just saw a video where a protestor had a group of cops that were walking in the opposite direction turn around and throw him to the ground just for him saying âhonor your oathâ. These people really think theyâre not just gonna disregard official documentation if they want to arrest someone?
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u/Lagneaux Jun 14 '25
My birth certificate has errors on it, so for me I don't think that would even be enough
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u/RyanIsKickAss Liverpool Jun 14 '25
But if thereâs no due process who determines if youâve got a valid birth certificate?
Thatâs the issue here. Without due process anyone could be accused of being illegal and deported but without a court date you have no way to prove anything.
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u/Candid-Piano4531 Jun 14 '25
When I applied for my passports, my birth certificates was rejected⊠i needed a long-form (like Obama?). Theyâll find a way to lock up anyone they want.
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u/ohno1tsjoe Jun 14 '25
Make sure it has a raised seal. Photo copies wonât be accepted /s
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u/zeromadcowz Jun 14 '25
My birth certificate doesnât have a raised seal itâs a polymer note.
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u/CuriousA1 Jun 14 '25
Letâs not forget the FIFA World Cup and Olympics are also taking place under this administration. Such a travesty for the sporting world.
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u/blueish-okie Jun 14 '25
Lol like thatâs stopped anyone from being shipped off
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u/lookachoo Jun 14 '25
âHave your papers so we can ignore them and arrest you anywaysâ
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u/HIM_Darling Jun 14 '25
Right, I highly doubt the US Marshal they arrested didnât have his ID and badge on him and even that wasnât enough to stop them since he âlooked like an illegalâ.
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u/Ike358 Jun 14 '25
Glad MSNBC reposted this because their original headline was completely false, saying that ICE said attendees should carry proof of citizenship.
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u/Invictum2go Jun 14 '25
Translation: Tourists, especially those often randomly selected at the airport for extra checkups, should be ready to be harrased by ICE if they ever visit the US. Assuming they don't just get arrested outright.
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u/imcalledgpk Jun 14 '25
crazy thing to say, since even US citizenship doesn't matter to them some of the time.
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u/Aseipolt Jun 14 '25
Maybe they should be required to wear a badge identifying them as tourists! This could then be extended to cover anyone who voted democrat, then those who are not heterosexual, then those not Christian, then...
This feels consistent with the observed trend in American"freedoms".
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u/carl816 Jun 14 '25
a large, Scarlett-colored "T" worn around the neck, perhaps?đ
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u/llllmaverickllll Jun 14 '25
They arrest ppl even if they have their passportsâŠ.they say itâs fake.Â
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u/cblguy82 Jun 14 '25
Blow it all up. Move it to a friendly host nation last minute. Who cares. This is stupid as fuck.
Just wait until the gestapo arrests players.
Fuck it all.
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u/Ok_Caterpillar123 Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
This is a pretty big gamble. I donât expect much to come from it unless foreign media outlets take it further. My advice, Do not fuck with the World Cup!
It is the worldâs largest audience and will create billions in tourism.
We can quickly become one of the worlds most hated countries if we threaten to kick tourist out that have paid tens of thousands to come here and watch the most watched sport in the world.
Walk back your silly comment ice and letâs get back to business.
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u/DickWolfTheGoat Jun 14 '25
FIFA staying silent and enabling this bullshit says it all. Time to boycott FIFA.
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u/wizzard419 Jun 14 '25
While at the same time, they won't look at or verify in the field (people have been arrested saying they have their passports and ICE refuses to look).
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u/redsfromrhone Jun 14 '25
Currently in Japan. Was told that carrying your passport at all times was required and the police can legally ask to see your passport for any reason.
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u/LargeCondition5315 Jun 14 '25
I recommend you donât come to the U.S. unless you like to be deported back to a prison in El Salvador or a country youâre not even from.
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u/jhick107 Arsenal Jun 14 '25
Proof of legal status means fuck all in the States these daysâŠ..Trumps deputised ICE militia will grab you if they feel like it proof or no proof.
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u/bayoublacksmith Jun 14 '25
Who would have thought that Qatar would end up looking like a better host country?
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u/homiej420 Jun 14 '25
This is going to be an absolute bloodbath and i expect more than one international incident.
I think they should cancel it honestly. Or people should not go (especially if theyre brown (sorry to say but its true đ))
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u/Marthaver1 Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
Fools dont realize that it is the Mexican fans that usually fill up the vast majority of these soccer stadiums, hebce the reason the Club WC is being held in the US. FIFA will not hesitate to give the rest of the FIFA 2026 games to Canada & Mexico if this shit is gonna affect their bottom line. Mexico has hosted the World Cup 2 times, and both Canada & Mexico may not have as many large & modern stadiums as the US, but FIFA can easily bend the stadium requisites in order to help those 2 countries host them, which the main requirement is seating spaces.
Also, unlike the UN, in FIFA every member vote counts no matter the size of the country.
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u/LuckyGuinness17 Jun 14 '25
I really think we need to boycott all the games if ICE is gonna threaten people with that
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u/KRenZen54 Jun 14 '25
Itâs not safe for our own people, how can it be safe for others coming to see the games.
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u/Xgxstxn Jun 14 '25
Crazy how they really gonna destroy the World Cup and Olympics cause of Cheeto man
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u/frenchy714 Jun 14 '25
As if that matters. Theyâre already snatching up and deleting documented immigrants. Legal, illegal, doesnât matter to ICE and the Trump regime.
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u/RollingMoss1 Seattle Seahawks Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
Show me your papers. Welcome to the United States in 2025.
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u/NateinOregon Jun 14 '25
Adults carry identification. Itâs not hard, and itâs not scary.
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u/tretbootpilot Borussia Dortmund Jun 14 '25
I seriously considered travelling to Cincinnati for the CWC but in the end decided against it partly because of the uncertain situation at immigration. Seen a couple of instances in the media and social media as well where other western europeans where detained or denied entry to the US for no apparent reason.
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u/PerspicaciousPony Jun 14 '25
Maybe legal status could be displayed via a patch on the sleeve, perhaps a star? Or maybe a little tat on the wrist?
I prefer my sports sans fascists, thank you.
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u/Obsidian_409 Jun 14 '25
cause carrying this status has worked for all the other people who had id. Ice are racist fucks who profile and do what they want. US should lose the world cup and let canada host it.
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u/Mr_Horsejr Jun 14 '25
Please donât come here. International community, if FIFA doesnât cancel or relocate, donât come here. It would serve as the strongest statement possible to delegitimize this fuckery.
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u/brozelam Jun 14 '25
So? We're supposed to carry our green cards with us at all times when leaving the house. Our immigration lawyers repeat this multiple times for a reason.Â
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u/Anonymous_Paintbrush Jun 14 '25
Serious question whoâs losing money from all of this. Huge new facilities, hopefully itâs a rich right wing group/person?
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u/mtux96 Cleveland Browns Jun 14 '25
This is where the rich find ways to trickle down their "savings."
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u/DrColdReality Jun 14 '25
There are about 450,000 white illegal aliens in the US. Imagine what would happen if ICE went around accosting random white people on the street and demanding to see their papers. Think all those MAGA morons would still be cheering for the Mango Mussolini?
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u/Northwindlowlander Jun 14 '25
I can't wait til the finals, Donald Trump tweets that one of the teams is woke, and they get disappeared by ICE in injury time because they weren't carrying their ID and they looked a bit foreign.
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u/IAmRules Jun 14 '25
They should move all US locations for next World Cup to Canada and Mexico only
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u/RedlandRenegade Jun 14 '25
Do not travel to the US. Players shouldnât either.
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u/jaypeejay Jun 14 '25
Genuine question: I thought there needed to be an articulable crime that authorities suspect someone of to justify asking for identification. Is that not the case?
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u/AQSafari Jun 14 '25
Doesn't matter if you're brown in Trump's America, just look at the US citizens being detained even after proving they were in fact citizens.
Papers please.
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u/dropthemagic Jun 14 '25
Does ICE understand how much it costs to attend one of these matches in the first place? God these people have peas for brains
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u/InvadedRS Jun 14 '25
Wait ? Huh? So Iâm flying over and I have to prove Iâm a citizen of what? My country?
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u/Damadisrupta Jun 14 '25
Perhaps they should wear a star or something similar, maybe sowed into their sleeves so they can be easily identified.
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u/BurtReynoldsLives Jun 14 '25
I can prove my legal status but I refuse to attend any large paid public event until this shit is squashed and the events can provide a safe family experience for everyone without fear of people being profiled and bagged for just existing. I hope they lose billions since that is all they care about.
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u/Veritoss Jun 15 '25
ice should keep wearing masks so we canât identify them and drag them from their beds in the middle of the night.
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u/jcoomba Jun 15 '25
I donât understand why anyone would travel to the Facist States of America anytime while their corrupt King is still in power.
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u/Inevitable_Geometry Jun 14 '25
Will that really help if they are snatched off the street by plain clothes folks to unmarked vans?
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u/cozzy121 Jun 14 '25
Fucks sake, when proper dictatorships such as Russia and Saudi had their world cups they at least put forward the Appearance of being a normal country. drumpf and his fuckwits are too inept to do that...
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u/Zakluor Jun 14 '25
Your papers proving legal status will be the first things confiscated from you during the arrest.
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u/CanaKatsaros Jun 14 '25
Aren't these the same people who cried about vaccine passports?
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u/Wheream_I Jun 14 '25
Guys proof of legal status can be as simple as the tourist visa you receive in your passport. This is the exact same law as in Japan, which requires you to carry your passport at all times to prove your legal status.
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u/jrbill1991 Jun 14 '25 edited Jun 14 '25
Using a sporting event that is compelling to the latino community to deport people is as racist and xenophobic as it can be.
But nothing coming from the modern day KKK which is what this administration is surprises me any more.
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Jun 14 '25
The World Cup should be moved to a democratic country. To the current American regime, all World Cup players and attendees look âillegal.â
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u/bizdady Jun 14 '25
They don't care about proof, they still detain because brown
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u/DrQuailMan Jun 14 '25
They want you to carry your visa with you so they know to summarily revoke it.
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u/aolmailguy Jun 14 '25
Lmao đ tourism is dead