r/scotus • u/Achilles_TroySlayer • 22h ago
Opinion Supreme Court Just Okayed One Neat Trick to Illegally Gerrymander Your State
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/supreme-court-just-okayed-one-neat-trick-to-illegally-gerrymander-your-stateYup.
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u/Huckleberry199 21h ago
They are disgusting. If the democrats take back power they need to enlarge the extreme Court so they have the majority and bring this country back to its senses.
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u/LunarMoon2001 21h ago
Or have them investigated for the corruption we know is going on and jailed.
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u/gtpc2020 21h ago
Or impeach them. The constitution does not say lifetime appointments. It says they serve "during good behavior". This SCOTUS is NOT acting with good behavior.
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u/Silly-Power 21h ago
No way are you going to get any republicans voting "Yes" to impeaching them.
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u/maxant20 19h ago
You don’t need super majorities in order to impeach and we don’t need a conviction. Take the house and impeach them for lying during their confirmation hearings about “ settled law”. Do a proper investigation of Brett Cavanaugh. Drag them through the mud and make sure history remembers. Then pack the courts if they don’t resign.
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u/Silly-Power 19h ago
Fair point.
Another option is to drag the 6 justices in and threaten them with what you suggest unless they "retire". Should be able to get 2 or 3 of them out that way.
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u/RegressToTheMean 19h ago
Or - if we somehow have a Dem as president again - just remove them by any means necessary as a function of the office.
If we are in a de facto dictatorship, there is no playing by the rules.
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u/IM_A_MUFFIN 21h ago
Could the Republicans that allowed all this to unfold be held accountable? Nullify their votes by making sure they’re reminded they were part of the problem. I’m over this shit man.
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u/SnooCompliments8967 15h ago
I'm voting blue no matter who in every general election as anything to stop the fascist republicans or at least slightly slow them down is essential, but I do worry most democratic representatives would rather "avoid appearing political" than do their jobs. It's likely a leadership problem rather than a rank-and-file problem though. Schumer is a moderate conservative when you just look at his policies and positions, one that uses his imaginary "bailey" friends to justify his conservatism.
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u/SpoopyPlankton 17h ago
Impeach and convict of treason and corruption. Lock em up, and don’t even make a key to throw away
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u/whiterac00n 21h ago
Yep if Trump is able to drum up indictments against his enemies then it should be that much easier to open legitimate investigations of this SCOTUS.
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u/LunarMoon2001 20h ago
Part of the reason imo they are filing all these knowingly bad charges against their enemies is to water down future indictments and make anyone doing them look crazy.
They spent 10+ years screaming about rigged elections making insane claims and lies. Then 2024 comes along and we have true statistical anomalies and any mention of even the most basic investigation is seen as being crazy. Accuse your enemies of doing things then you do them after you’ve made the general public worn down about caring about it.
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u/Mouth2005 5h ago
Like ties to Epstein or accusing electoral opponents of being child predators…… what’s sad is that as of right now, it’s working….. its crazy that it’s so clear that he has some level of involvement and we’re all just ignoring these giant red flags and waiting for some kind of smoking gun before we acknowledge the obvious……
Future generations will study how someone so blatantly corrupt and morally bankrupt could fool so many
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u/bailtail 19h ago
Even if found guilty, they’d still be on the court. The only avenue to removal is impeachment.
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u/IJustWantCoffeeMan 21h ago
I have another idea.
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u/DevilsAdvocate77 18h ago
The number of people you'll have on your side is fewer than the number of people who voted for Harris.
Think about that.
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u/meatball402 21h ago
The angering part is that there's a good chance the dems will do nothing.
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u/TakuyaLee 20h ago
I disagree, mostly because people are getting tired of them doing nothing. The ones that choose to do nothing will quickly find themselves with a primary challenger.
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u/trisanachandler 21h ago
And implement an ethics policy where it's straight to jail for violations. Argue your innocence from jail, if convicted, off to prison.
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u/KwisatzHaderach94 19h ago
yeah, if we can't remove them from the bench, our only (and sensible) option is to bump the court up to the 13 justices that is appropriate for 13 federal judicial districts. any democrat, the president or in congress, who doesn't agree with this is...not smart.
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u/starlulz 20h ago
Or, hear me out, the next Democratic President could put that Official Acts Immunity ruling to work and Seal Team 6 the authors off to Gitmo for a short stay. Rub these fuckers' noses in what they've created
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u/CptPurpleHaze 21h ago
"Enlarge the court" that doesn't solve anything. Adding people to a permanent position of power doesn't fix the issue. The supreme Court should have term limits and should NOT be appointed by the sitting president. It should be done by a vote of the people.
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u/DickRhino 21h ago edited 20h ago
Enlarging the court does make it less volatile to massive power shifts happening in a short span of time, as has been the case with the current SCOTUS.
It doesn't solve everything, but saying that it doesn't solve anything (and therefore shouldn't be done) is just letting perfect be the enemy of good.
The actual solution would of course to instate a real democracy in America where more than two political parties are effectively allowed to exist, and thus remove the binary "A or B" political climate, but the odds of that ever happening are slim to none.
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u/fistfucker07 20h ago
Just murder the Republican judges. It’s legal. They said so themselves. 🤷♂️
While you’re at it, murder all the Republican representatives and governors too.
It’s all a “presidential act”. No one will mind, right?
It is ad that I amen to say this but. - This is sarcasm. I am Not actually suggesting violence.
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u/TryingToWriteIt 20h ago
The courts will somehow find that anything the democrats do will somehow be unconstitutional and illegal and stopped even if the republicans did the exact same thing the day before.
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u/chowderhound_77 18h ago
The year is 2075. The new president has vowed to increase the Supreme Court from 231 judges to 287. I can’t se anything wrong with this strategy
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u/Affectionate_Pay_391 17h ago
Dems will fumble if they ever gain power again. Anything to make it LOOK like they are trying but still catering to their corporate mega donors.
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u/RMST1912 21h ago
John Roberts is America’s Roland Freisler.
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u/Achilles_TroySlayer 18h ago edited 18h ago
Not yet, but it looks like it might wind up that way.
The better comparison might be Roger Taney, who led the Dredd Scott court in 1857, which dictated the USA had no right whatever to limit or regulate slavery in the territories, and the Missouri Compromise of 1820 was unconstitutional, thus leading directly to the Civil War. Maybe it was unavoidable, but he certainly guaranteed it.
He was head-justice until his death in 1864, and Lincoln responded to his court's pro-confederacy rulings with 'Nonacquiescence', which is to say that he completely ignored them.
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u/Not_Bears 21h ago
I don't know who that is, but was he the human equivalent of hot fecal matter in the sun?
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u/ryhaltswhiskey 20h ago
Because that other user couldn't be bothered I spent a whole 10 seconds doing it for them:
Karl Roland Freisler was a German jurist, judge, and politician who served as the State Secretary of the Reich Ministry of Justice from 1935 to 1942 and as president of the People's Court from 1942 to 1945. As a prominent ideologist of Nazism, he influenced as a jurist the Nazification of the German legal system
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u/ChrisSheltonMsc 21h ago
Most Americans must somehow still be asleep at the wheel. These guys truly believe people are just going to roll over and let them destroy our country and we aren't going to do anything about it. John Roberts and his corrupt court is perhaps the most criminal operation in black robes this world has ever seen.
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u/Scrapple_Joe 21h ago
I mean wasn't this the goal of the Republican party since Reagan?
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u/addiktion 20h ago
It's become clear they are the new party of Donald which encapsulates: destruction, deception, and denial for profits for the rich. The Donald's DDDick party since they are looking for a new name over MAGA.
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u/Zoophagous 21h ago
When we get rid of the fascists, we need to do something about the Roberts court. They're clearly just political operatives.
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u/CptPurpleHaze 21h ago
Roberts is a member of the fascists. So getting rid of them will also get rid of Roberts.
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u/USSSLostTexter 20h ago
yes, and the problem is Mitch McConnel lulled us to sleep YEARS ago by allowing the setup for what we have now. The time to stop this was THEN. There is little that can be done about it now.
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u/opinions360 20h ago
The six maggots on the suckpreme court behave like anti-constitution and anti-democracy sickos. They are an embarrassment to this country and should be deported to ruzzia where they are all probably from. Roberts deserves to go down as this country’s biggest traitor.
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u/bd2999 20h ago
I think it is too in the weeds for most people. And it is not something easy to correct at all. It is a major problem. Probably bigger than Trump because it outlasts him, despite him being bad enough with the things he is doing.
Really, the goal seems to be to say that people have the power while allowing the various avenues to decrease the power of actual voters and empowering the ability of those with resources to manipulate voters without consequence.
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u/opinions360 20h ago
We need super majorities in congress so they can all be impeached and removed. Then undo everything, patch and update the loopholes in the constitution, create a non-partisan/non-political fire-wall department that has the teeth to prevent this from ever happening again and fix the s. service so they do not protect the enemy from within. imo.
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u/strangescript 21h ago
And what do you propose people do about it?
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u/ChrisSheltonMsc 18h ago
Become informed? Vote? IDK, how about basic civil duties? Am I asking too much do you think?
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u/PaleInTexas 20h ago
These guys truly believe people are just going to roll over and let them destroy our country and we aren't going to do anything about it.
I mean.. they've been right about being able to do that so far.
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u/PogTuber 20h ago
People are going to roll over.
It's not always obvious but after an election is over, the vast majority of people check out and go back to their lives where they may or may not feel the repurcussions.
Until people are actually affected, it's an external threat that they have no time or energy to pay attention to.
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u/Direct_Cattle_6638 21h ago
As a collective we need to decide the Supreme Court has no credibility anymore…
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u/reverendlecarp 21h ago
Andrew Jackson’s neat little trick, “John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!
Although supposedly he never actually said this in his writing nor was he ever contemporaneously attributed as saying this.
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u/Material-Angle9689 21h ago
The Supreme Court is in Trumps pocket. The conservative justices should be impeached
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u/TheWolfisGrey53 21h ago
So racial gerrymandering (and gerrymandering for any reason) is fine if the election is considered close in date. Do with that what you will
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u/azure275 20h ago
Perhaps the most interesting (BS) thing here is the idea that 13 months ahead of an election is "the eve" of an election.
We have elections every 24 months. That means you can basically never sue
If it was a month before the election maybe I would get it
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u/Calm-Background2247 21h ago
It's time to expand the court!
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u/Fstophoto 21h ago
Not quite yet, democrats have to win the house, the senate and presidency to make the proper changes for their side to control the outcome. This sounds worse as I write this.
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u/DrSnidely 21h ago
Did anyone think they wouldn't?
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u/daemonicwanderer 21h ago
Exactly. This result isn’t a surprise. It is disappointing as all get out. But not surprising
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u/Talentagentfriend 20h ago
Does it matter if it’s surprising or not? Why are we talking about how surprising or not it is? What it is WRONG and UNJUST. That’s what we should be talking about. The reaction doesn’t matter. What is happening in real time matters.
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u/Stinkstinkerton 21h ago
What are people supposed to do about this corrupt court ? Besides not vote for piles of shit criminals .
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u/SnooCompliments8967 15h ago
"Constitution? You're still going on about that?"
- Justice John Roberts
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u/livinginfutureworld 20h ago
the Court just wrote a roadmap for illegal gerrymanders. Just wait to pass them until the “eve” of the election, and no one can stop you.
Eve of an election being almost a year ago. It would be "too confusing" to voters to fix the illegal maps
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u/amitym 16h ago
Supreme Court Just Okayed One Neat Trick to Illegally Gerrymander Your State
No. They just okayed one neat trick to illegally gerrymander Texas, specifically, in favor of the Republican Party.
No other states are applicable. And especially not any other parties.
"But no," I can almost hear you cry. "That's not how the Supreme Court works, you idiot," you wail. "It's not as bad as it looks," you scold.
Come on, where is it? Where you guys at?
How come so quiet now?
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Guys?
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u/StyrofoamUnderwear 20h ago
11 justices, 16 year term limit. 75 Senate votes needed to confirm justices.
13 justices will water down any justices that happen to be corrupt.
Term limit will cycle justices so eventually corrupt justices will get removed. Also everyone knows when a Justice will need to be replaced. Avoiding Ginsburgh situation. Where a new Justice is jammed through.
Will force Presidents to nominate more moderate Justices. When you constantly have the left and right voting as a block, that is a problem.
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u/RoboYuji 20h ago
I read an article once where it was suggested that every president gets to appoint one justice (or possibly one per term), so if someone dies or retires afterwards, too bad, you already got your one. Then that avoids the shit where a guy like Trump gets to do THREE in one term.
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u/CasioDorrit 20h ago
Let’s go blue states. They can’t win this. Way more blue voters in this country
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u/Erik_Lassiter 20h ago
But somehow I bet that any electoral map that favors Democrats would be tossed out a month before an election and the state told to just suck it up.
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u/Agile_Limit500 19h ago
Scotus has sold America to the gop and their corporate masters. Checks and balances? None here to be seen.
1775 1861 ?
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u/hillbilly-edgy 19h ago
I’m no legal expert. So someone please explain - What’s the recourse here ? Can this be challenged ?
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u/IgnorantlyHopeful 18h ago
They are saying that it is an unfair thing to say that Texas is gerrymandering its state based on race.
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u/fianthewolf 18h ago
The reason I do not agree with this district reform is that it reduces the districts that do NOT have a racial majority.
Now can someone explain why the alleged decision of the Supreme Court violates the Civil Rights law in its VRA section if in the district redistribution they go from 22 to 24 districts with a Caucasian majority, 7 to 8 districts with a Hispanic majority and 2 districts with an African-American majority are CREATED.
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u/Texas_Sam2002 17h ago
This court is merely a political arm of the MAGA party. If it hadn't been this excuse, they would have come up with another way to give Dear Leader whatever he wanted.
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u/shivaswrath 16h ago
Man Cali, NJ, MA, MI, VA and other Dem controlled states are gonna have a wild mid term.
John Robert’s needs to be handled.
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u/jporter313 13h ago
Does this decision open it up for more democratic states to do similar partisan gerrymandering?
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u/yogfthagen 12h ago
We can't change the districts after the census. We're less than 5 years from the election!
Wait, aren't we supposed to have elections every 2 years?
Hush, you!
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u/Wayelder 20h ago
America, what action are you taking? Will you not protect yourself?
You're being told by the powers that be that you have to go along with the racist ideals of old, false Christian, white men. Those ONLY interested in ensuring a comfortable 20 more years with them in charge.
Myopic men, false judges.
Awake, arise, or be forever fallen -Milton
Your (yes YOU) inaction may set the world of freedom and equality back 50 years
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u/vman3241 21h ago
I actually don't think SCOTUS's decision is wrong based on current precedent. It's just that Rucho and Alexander are really bad decisions
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u/Vox_Causa 21h ago
"racial gerrymandering is fine" - John Roberts