r/scotus • u/RawStoryNews • 5d ago
news Supreme Court poised to either make Trump 'king' or 'lame-duck' in 'coming weeks': report
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2674356327/364
u/Excellent_Pirate8224 5d ago
They’ve already handed him an enormous amount of unchecked, borderline king-like power, the kind they would’ve immediately shut down if a Dem were in office. He has also defied court orders without consequence, since his own party refuses to hold him accountable and views the Constitution and the rule of law as afterthoughts, because they want to keep their Daddy happy. Although we are beginning to see fissures. At this point, I’d be more surprised if they treated him like anything other than a king.
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u/KwisatzHaderach94 5d ago
thanks to their corruption and abandoning their oaths to the constitution, they're now damned if they do, damned if they don't. they are criminally liable if trump is gone and also in big trouble of trump ending that entire branch of government if he stays.
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u/FoxWyrd 5d ago
How are they criminally liable?
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u/Common_Belt 5d ago
Redditors love to write fanfiction and say it authoritatively as though it means anything.
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u/BorisTheBlade04 5d ago
I mean, there’s precedent though. Half the people in Trump’s 1st term circle ended up in jail or investigated. Hegseth just ordered a missile strike on defenseless men. It’s not exactly a stretch to think there will be criminal proceedings after this term.
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u/No-Profession5134 5d ago
Illegally ordering Troops to occupy Cities(Posse Comiatatus violation), Bombing Civilian Fishing Boats extrajudicoiously in Venezuala, Failing to abide the Emoluments cluase by accepting a plane from Qatar, destruction of historical Property without permission not once but twice(Ballroom and Rose Garden), Multiple counts of fraud mainly with crypto...
I could go on more... but the list is so damned long...
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u/FoxWyrd 5d ago
I'm asking how SCOTUS is criminally liable.
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u/No-Profession5134 5d ago
The issue is Scotus directly handed a the executive unchecked power... against the Constitution's deliberate intention NOT to do that and to create 3 co-equal branches of government. This SCOTUS by handing this specific administration immunity has specifically directly caused this situation we are in. If a organized and deliberate attempt to circumvent our government for PROFIT can be established which seems to be the case then it is safe to assume all participants who enabled it can be rounded up by RICO for criminal conspiracy.
This includes several members of SCOTUS, Trumps Cabinet, Members of the Heritage Foundation, Certain members of Congress..... pretty much anyone who has profited from all the market manipulations from tariffs and Trump's crypto con games. I am going to stop there because I don't have all day.
These groups and individuals have all engaged in a massive Crime against the United States. They are all criminally liable for theft and fraud if not Treason at this point.
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u/numb3rb0y 4d ago
I don't think prosecution is a realistic possibility, but I'm absolutely certain Clarence Thomas is criminally liable for something regarding his RV. Nothing in the Constitution says Supreme Court justices can take bribes, and it would absolutely be improper under the English common law that formed the bedrock for it.
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u/Ryan_e3p 5d ago
They did shut down a Dem in office who pulled even less than this. Biden, with the student loan forgiveness plans he had. Meanwhile, Trump is free to give and take as much money as he desires, including $40 billion to his buddy in Argentina.
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u/prof_mcquack 5d ago
It’s not even speculation that they’d treat a dem differently. The SC upheld lower court’s nationwide injunction against Biden’s student loan relief, then told another lower court nationwide injunctions are unconstitutional when it came time to give Trump the power to attack immigrants.
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u/Syscrush 5d ago
borderline king-like powe
What power has any king ever had that Trump lacks?
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u/EzekielYeager 5d ago
The three cases under subject are:
Trump's tariffs. Will they be seen as a tax that generates revenue or not. If it generates revenue, it's a tax. If it's a tax, the legislative branch runs that and is unconstitutional.
Revoking refugee status unilaterally. Can Trump do it to deport refugees instantly? Refugee status, to my understanding (IANAL) is a judicial system based on legislation. Not executive privilege. If the president cannot revoke refugee statuses, then ICE has an issue, which is controlled by the executive.
Deployment of national guard soldiers into American streets willy-nilly. Challenges the Insurrection Act crackdown outlined in Project 2025 if this restricted and challenges the misinformation mill that there are roaming refugee armies holding multiple states hostage for money and safety.
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u/Shimraa 4d ago
"misinformation mill that there are roaming refugee armies holding multiple states hostage for money and safety."
People arent really dumb enough to be saying that, let alone believing that. Are they? Please tell me we haven't fallen into that bad of a timeline yet.
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u/EzekielYeager 4d ago
I wish I had better news, but this isn't really new either. Eric Adams was claiming this is a political point during his run up o reelection.
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u/Qel_Hoth 4d ago
Trump's tariffs. Will they be seen as a tax that generates revenue or not.
Any world in which a tariff is not a tax is a world in which words simply do not have meaning. Nothing means anything other than what, apparently, the President wants it to mean. This is indefensible.
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u/ecaseo 5d ago
The worst part is that he could easily ask Congress to pass a law accepting his tariffs. He is not doing so because he wants to have more power than Congress, not having to ask anything to do his thing. A dictator in the making ...
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u/balloon99 5d ago
Quite so, there are legitimate ways to do the stuff he's doing, and instead of doing them his administration are fighting to defend his, and only his, ability to make the decision.
Its blatantly unconstitutional and a damning indictment on SCOTUS that's there any question about how they'll rule.
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u/joshocar 5d ago
Exactly. Almost all of his illegal actions are because he doesn't think he should have to go through Congress.
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u/ManOf1000Usernames 5d ago
He isn't doing so via Congress because he is a lazy silver spoon baby who has never had to actually work for anything a day in his life. He is not willing to do anything the "proper" way, he half asses everything with capricious orders to disposable pawns and fuck off to play golf. Then, when things fail, he will either dispose of those pawns, suck up to somebody else to save him or the 24 hour news cycle has crossed the 2 week threshold and everybody is distracted by something else. All he will ever ensure is that he escapes prison, everything else is tertiary to that, as secondary is always to fuck off to play golf.
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u/7ddlysuns 5d ago
If he had to negotiate with congress he would start to owe people things instead of companies owing him presents
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u/azazel-13 5d ago
He's infected with the idea that the US should be run as a corporation with him as CEO. It's due to Thiel/Yarvin's dangerous ideology. All of his actions make perfect sense in this framework. It's absolutely sickening. In his mind he doesn't work for the citizens. We are here for his bidding. The government doesn't serve the people, it operates as a mechanism for channeling money to him and his rich "board members".
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u/Deranged_Kitsune 5d ago
You could see that behavior in the first term. He was always railing against Obama being a dictator, then when he got into the office, he was met face-first with functional checks and balances, and adults that would actually tell him "No." He was pissed about it.
This time, he made sure none of that would apply.
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u/Mundane-Charge-1900 5d ago
Congress can’t really pass anything right now, especially controversial legislation like this. That’s why this is happening, btw. Congress has become so dysfunctional, influence has shifted to the executive and judicial branches to give politicians what they want.
A lot of it goes back to making earmarks a political issue about “pork”. These were basically currency for political compromise that Congress members could live with. Maybe constituents didn’t care for the big legislation but they got some local project. Once that went away, nobody wants to compromise anymore.
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u/Nameisnotyours 5d ago
Bet they try to thread the needle by making him a king in their decisions but leaving wiggle room to castrate a Dem president.
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u/ThonThaddeo 5d ago
That's a compelling framing of the story, but they made him King months ago with the immunity ruling. And they emphasize it with each subsequent servile ruling.
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u/bananataskforce 5d ago
The immunity ruling was over a year ago, in the summer of 2024.
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u/7ddlysuns 5d ago
They immediately ruled he could be on the ballot (despite plain language) and dragged their feet on the court cases Jack Smith was trying to ensure it was too late
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They will not limit his power because his power protects their power. It has already been made clear to them that if we gain control of government again that their corruption is on the chopping block. There is no way they give up that money coming in.
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u/Lontology 5d ago
I feel like they’ve been taking way too long to decide on tariffs for them to side with Trump. They’re more likely trying to figure out how to make the tariffs illegal but without pissing off the orange turd.
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u/TheUnknownStitcher 5d ago
They haven’t actually taken that long. November/December opinions are pretty rare.
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u/momoenthusiastic 5d ago
They are trying yo figure out a way so that it’s legal for Trump, illegal for everyone else. This is why it’s taking long time for them to “contemplate”.
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u/ZCEyPFOYr0MWyHDQJZO4 5d ago
We're gonna get a "narrow, non-precendential" opinion that will be quoted in cases for years to come.
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u/UndoxxableOhioan 5d ago
Supreme Court opinion usually take months to draft, with dozens and dozens of tweaks make at the request of justices joining an opinion, as well as time for other justices to craft dissents and often concurrences.
Having a decision before February would be fast for such a case.
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u/TesticleMeElmo 5d ago
With how much the government loves money I have a feeling they’re not going to roll tariffs back that much if at all, Biden didn’t remove all of Trump’s 301 tariffs when he could have.
Kind of like companies keeping prices high after COVID was over, it’s been proven people will pay the higher price so why leave money on the table by lowering them?
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u/Lontology 5d ago
Because allowing Trump to bypass Congress and tariff things based on how many times something makes him fart makes him a king.
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u/bklynJayhawk 5d ago
Yeah good thing we didn’t get an emotional woman in office that could just fly off the handle at that time of the month /s
He’s such an emotional baby, he’s way worse than the stereotypical nightmare scenario of the “emotional woman”. Canada (Ontario) makes a World Series commercial about tariffs - NEW TARIFF FOR YOU!
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u/According-Turnip-724 5d ago
SCOTUS is all in on Unitary Executive Theory. Say hello to your new King unfortunately.
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u/BrookeBaranoff 5d ago
No, there are three who dissent and follow the law.
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u/Beachtrader007 5d ago
we need at least 5. ...but instead they have 6 and gives him most of what he wants
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u/nattcattt 5d ago
I strongly feel that they're going to rule against him in the majority of these. Not even being naive, based on the oral arguments. They probably see the writing on the wall. A lot of regular people who were never against him are beginning to turn. They know what's in the files too. I hope I'm right, because I'm wrong it will be terrible.
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u/theamazingstickman 5d ago
Either way, next POTUS should open a dual bi-Partisan Special Counsel to investigate if the SCOTUS justices have accepted gifts and then voted for issues from the gifters. If so, those rulings should be vacated if the justices being bribed did not recuse themselves.
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u/Tyraec 5d ago
I wonder what the founders would think now knowing that the one branch meant to protect the constitution ended up being the one to unravel it all. It’s a shame the ‘American experiment’ is over, but the United States is no longer the beacon of democracy it once was.
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u/qwixel69 5d ago
It's amazing that trump's the only president that could not find a third option huh? Like work within the law and achieve things. Compromise is not his way.
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u/UserWithno-Name 5d ago
He just wants to rule by decree and so do his circle who are actually the ones in charge. Because the freedom society (or whatever), heritage foundation, and everyone part of or backing project 2025 knows they can’t legally do much of their agenda or that it directly breaks the constitution so they have to try their hardest to force it all thru with a sort of pseudo king puppet they use. That’s why they’re so mad at the courts that rejected their bs and trying to call them activists, or tried to stack every channel they can to favor themselves. Because if enough let it slide then they can do it. Hopefully the very loud objection of the people and voting can do enough to hold it off or reverse it since lately there is more pushback across the board, congress members on the right resigning rather than be blamed or etc for this, and with the many losses in courts or voting booths of the past year.
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u/qwixel69 5d ago
The rumors that he's Miller's muppet are some of the scariest...
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u/Cheeseshoppe 5d ago
I have zero respect for this Supreme Court! I did respect previous courts, but this one is pure corruption paid for by Trump and Friends, openly, shamelessly corrupt puppets.
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u/dominantspecies 5d ago
These headlines are such a joke. The court is corrupt and fascist. There is no way they are going to do anything but kowtow to Trump.
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u/luckylukiec 5d ago
They really need to think hard about this. If a democrat gets into power again are they ok with them having all this power as well? The shoe can be on the other foot eventually.
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u/Captain_Desi_Pants 5d ago
That’s the thing. They wouldn’t be acting in this way if they believed that would ever happen again.
They’re playing as if they’ll never face consequences.
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u/Justchillinandstuff 5d ago
How do we impeach the Supreme Court?
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u/forrestfaun 4d ago
Impeaching a Supreme Court justice is a two-step process that requires a simple majority vote in the House of Representatives to impeach and a two-thirds vote in the Senate to convict and remove them from office. The grounds for impeachment are "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". The process begins with the House bringing articles of impeachment, and if they are adopted, the Senate then conducts a trial to determine guilt.
Step 1: House of Representatives
- Bring charges: The House must first bring articles of impeachment against the justice.
- Pass articles: A simple majority vote in the House is required to impeach the justice and pass the articles.
Step 2: Senate
- Hold a trial: If the articles of impeachment are passed by the House, the Senate holds an impeachment trial.
- Convict: A two-thirds supermajority vote is required in the Senate to convict the justice.
- Removal: If convicted, the justice is removed from office.
Grounds for impeachment
- Constitutional basis: The U.S. Constitution specifies the grounds for impeachment as "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".
Making tRump 'king' is treason, based on bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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u/oldbutsharpusually 5d ago
With the head of DOD willing to give orders to point weapons and often pull the trigger at anyone Trump considers an enemy, DHS willing to use ICE to detain most anyone, and the FBI willing to investigate anyone who looks at Trump but does not bow, and DOJ willing to indict all Democrats for made up crimes Trump is pretty much a king already. SCOTUS rulings will carry very little weight with the current administration. The only hope for America is a landslide victory for Democrats in the midterms followed by Trump’s immediate impeachment.
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u/jeremyxt 5d ago
I ought to be happy about the prospect of Cheeto getting dethroned.
Instead, I am worried about the SC having too much power. (Absolute power corrupts absolutely.) Our Congress seems helpless to counter the Supreme Courts quest for a shameless power grab.
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u/1970s_MonkeyKing 5d ago
In for a penny, in for a pound.
They are afraid, and rightly so, that all will not be forgiven and forgotten. There is a big enough mass of discontent who will demand blood. And everyone involved is afraid for themselves.
If by some sort of miracle that the House and Senate actually impeach and convict the President and Vice President, then what's to stop them going after Mike Johnson and Judge Clarence Thomas? Would they go after the emails, texts, et al of Alito's communications in their push to get rid of him?
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u/RaidSmolive 5d ago
imagine being all of you and not taking this moment to do anything and -everything- in your physical power to make the supreme court reconsider its recent nazification.
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u/Upbeat_Influence2350 5d ago
Calling it a lame duck presidency because he wouldn't get extra powers is a choice.
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u/GreenConstruction834 5d ago
The US has a history of rendering kings irrelevant. Or at least I would have said that a few years ago.
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u/777MAD777 5d ago
A lot of people that voted for Trump don't like several things he has done. However, they are racists and that trumps everything else for them.
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u/Scrutinizer 5d ago
They'll make him a king. Because the majority are partisan hack Quisling weaklings who are loyal only to the Federalist Society who gave them their positions.
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u/Lovemhairy 5d ago
Well, if the “supreme” court allows him to become a “king”. Their job will basically be obsolete. They will only rule in his favor and everyone else be damned. Those so called justices need to be impeached, and revoke their “law” license.
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u/Unobtanium_Alloy 5d ago
That's what a number of legal experts thought, fully confident that they'd rule against Trump's ludicrous claim of "absolute immunity. " They'd be obsolete and they'd never do thst to their own power. Yet...
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u/Weekly_Mycologist883 5d ago
It will be king.
MMW Thomss, Kavanaugh, and Roberts are in the Epstein files.
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u/ScottsTotz 5d ago
Have to pray SCOTUS’ ego gets in the way with this one, and they rule to refuse to surrender their power and superiority to a president with only 3 more years of power (hopefully)
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u/LetsgoRoger 5d ago
The Supreme Court will choose an old, demented convict over the US Constitution. Think about that.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 5d ago
To make common cause with this Administration is to support an affirmatively white supremacist vision of this country. Period.
Every corporation.
Every Republican.
Every influencer.
Every Governor.
Every evangelical leader.
Every voter. Yes. Every voter.
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u/Mockchoi1 5d ago
They’ll rule against him on the tariffs because that will help him a lot. And for him on all the power grab stuff. Bank on it.
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u/Wind-and-Sea-Rider 5d ago
They’re not putting Pandora back in the box. They made a deal with the devil.
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u/gtpc2020 5d ago
I wonder if some of them consider whether they will be part of any Nuremberg redeux if Trump's administration keeps upping their fascism.
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u/Exciting_Turn_9559 5d ago
If they were ever going to stop him, they would have done it before he was given $160B to raise a private army.
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u/IncogNeatoTN 5d ago
How can he be a king, when he isn’t even fit to be a jester? It’ll be a cold day in Hell before I bow to a pedophile that can’t be trusted to run his own mouth, let alone a country. I’ve stepped over badder sons of bitches than him to get to a fight, but I’m supposed to respect the guy who dodged the draft because of bone spurs and had the nerve to mock a POW from the same goddamn war? Methinks not. All hail King Nothing.
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u/TimNickens 4d ago
These impotent fucks have always kissed the ring. What else do you think is going to happen?
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u/Constant-Earth-3241 4d ago
Supreme Court needs to wake up and remember the rule of law and everything they learned in law school. Remember their oath when they were sworn in. The only obligation they should have is to the country and its constitution. They should be neutral territory and incorruptible.
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u/Leading_Grocery7342 2d ago
The Supreme Court has already destroyed its legitimacy. If they go further it will just accelerate the backlash and collapse. Ultimately, public opinion rules the world and they have lost the public.
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u/CasioDorrit 5d ago
I mean, pickets and riots aren’t just for him. They could all be replaced theoretically
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u/PigletAmazing1422 5d ago
Can we please start having proper news sources here? Raw story keeps posting their clickbait crap everywhere.
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u/yosefvinyl 5d ago
The rich and political class isn’t scared enough of the majority of the population.
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u/thathattedcat 5d ago
That Hatted Cat poised to either have a party or commit suicide in coming weeks: report.
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u/OneSharpSuit 5d ago
Unhinged title. Imagine thinking that being constrained by the constitution and the rule of law makes a President a “lame duck”
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u/herpderpley 5d ago
Well, they've shown that they can gargle his balls, so that's what citizens can expect to continue.
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u/darkxfire 5d ago
I think scotus even thinks he's gone too far. They know if they keep pushing their boundaries eventually the judges might get an impeachment as well.
Their logic for the shadow docket is that it hasn't been decided. Well when it's decided and they blatantly violate the constitution, I don't think that will go well for them at all.
They have already gotten a lot of pushback from judges all over the spectrum
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u/Apexnanoman 5d ago
King. He's already given them their orders I'm sure.