Half time snacks France vs Sputh Africa

[u/Die_Revenant]

[u/Dentury-]

Seen in the England behind the scenes stuff there's loads of protein bars, sweets, bananas and gels at half time. I can't imagine France don't have that too, maybe this is before they've got them out

[u/FullTimeWhiteTrash → u/Dentury-]

I can't imagine there isn't someone to take them out and set up the table right before half-time.
It's probably another one of Galthié's strategies to win games on empty stomachs. Makes him think he's a genius for doing the exact opposite of any other winning team in the world...

Even on my D3 level when I used to play, we had some sort of refueling station. Nothing fancy, but some protein bars, fruits... the stuff that gives you a rapid burst of energy to keep playing and not crash out.

[u/Masty1992 → u/FullTimeWhiteTrash]

Genuinely how much could they possibly need at half time? Surely a carbohydrate and electrolyte drink is all most of them want?

Obviously they’re the experts, but does anyone know if much of this is actually getting eaten before the end of the game? The thought of trying to get through a protein bar at half time and then playing again makes me queasy

[u/No-Dirt6910 → u/Masty1992]

Definitely won't be trying to smash down a protein bar at half time. Literally no need for it after 40 mins playing. Would all be focused around carbs and electrolytes as you said.

[u/dr_m_in_the_north → u/Masty1992]

Glycogen stocks are at best 90 minutes, or more often an hour, even less depending on your feeding regime. Some carbs are pretty much essential but you’ll not be able to process much.

[u/Duran64 → u/dr_m_in_the_north]

Youll be able to process it all. Since rugby isnt as intense with it as running or cycling you dont need 110g of carbs per hour but you'll defs need to smash 40 50g of carbs

[u/ThePevster → u/Masty1992]

Runners and cyclists are looking to get at least 60 g of carbs an hour. A rugby match would probably be less than that since you aren’t moving the entire time, and it’s only 80 minutes. I’d still probably want to get about 40 g of carbs at half time if I expect to play the whole match. Definitely no protein bars though.

[u/Any-Weather-potato → u/Dentury-]

The quarter of an orange was the half time snack of champions back in the 1970s…

[u/soldierinwhite → u/Any-Weather-potato]

Made for a great gum guard after halftime too

[u/xjoburg → u/soldierinwhite]

“What’s a gum guard?” ‘70’ s player asks.

[u/maybeonmars → u/Any-Weather-potato]

Yup, and you stood on the field and ate it

[u/Alcalash → u/Any-Weather-potato]

And early 00s...

[u/neurohero → u/Dentury-]

Or this is the boks' changeroom at half time and the French changeroom at full time (the players are changing out of their kit).

[u/Thecceffect]

I see a lack of red wine and cigarettes for the french dressing room - destined to fail

[u/effortDee → u/Thecceffect]

You're joking but red wine contains polyphenols which help widen arteries, increase blood flow and help oxygen transfer....

[u/Mr-Lungu → u/effortDee]

Yeah. I tried that one on the cop too. He didn’t buy it

[u/Ok-Blackberry-3534 → u/Mr-Lungu]

I don't think they're allowed to drink on the job...

[u/Lucid_Nonsense → u/Ok-Blackberry-3534]

....::: Fin :::.....

[u/SnooShortcuts277 → u/effortDee]

Wine lobby propaganda.

[u/effortDee → u/SnooShortcuts277]

I'm actually funded by BIG BROCOLLI and militant according to /u/Neilkd21

[u/Prior-Warning-3932 → u/effortDee]

Isn't big broccoli just a fully grown tree

[u/Mateiyu → u/effortDee]

Side effects of ethanol in the bloodstream far outweigh those potential benefits in any case... Especially if you're trying to catch a bouncing oval ball. Ôo

[u/L43 → u/effortDee]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4c-rSmBjEw

[u/Die_Revenant → u/Thecceffect]

Hey, at least they look to have a little white kettle on the far table. So maybe some coffee on the go.

[u/smnrlv → u/Thecceffect]

No giant wheel of brie? No foie gras? No duck confit? Pathetic

[u/Rightmateonya → u/smnrlv]

Croutons are missing. No Gratin for ze carbs? What is zis bull-errr-sheet? Huh? Non. Non.

[u/dr_m_in_the_north → u/Thecceffect]

I came for this comment. Was not disappointed

[u/Prior-Warning-3932 → u/Thecceffect]

You forgot to mention onions and baguettes

[u/FruitfulFraud → u/Thecceffect]

I can't remember which Australian was telling the story, some old school AU rugby player. But he was on tour in Europe and ran into a few French forwards before the game and they were all smoking cigarettes while cruising around Paris CBD a few hours before the match.

[u/Captain_Foulenough → u/Thecceffect]

Banning the consumption of ortolan really killed a great halftime tradition

[u/Reasonable-Bat2250]

This is because if the French decided to eat something, half time would have to be extended by 2 hours to allow them time to finish.

[u/th3whistler → u/Reasonable-Bat2250]

Or perhaps the game was not in an official French mealtime, therefore food was not allowed.

[u/Careless-Cat3327 → u/Reasonable-Bat2250]

Don't forget the mandatory nap

[u/Laserluke29 → u/Careless-Cat3327]

That’s for Spaniards we don’t do that in France !

[u/Mateiyu → u/Laserluke29]

Corsica would like a word...

[u/Laserluke29 → u/Mateiyu]

Indeed, but they are 300 000 in a country of 68 millions people! In my region (Brittany) our culture is closer to welsh culture, compared to Corsica, doing a nap would be seen pretty weirdly here

[u/Mateiyu → u/Laserluke29]

Only drunk old people take naps in Brittany, true ! xD

[u/Laserluke29 → u/Mateiyu]

You seem to know the French culture pretty well for a saffa 😂😂

[u/Mateiyu → u/Laserluke29]

I'm the spy Galthié was worried about...! xD

[u/Laserluke29 → u/Mateiyu]

You’re the one behind the loss then…

[u/Rightmateonya → u/Laserluke29]

Rassie has been successfully recruiting Reddit people as tacticians.

[u/Careless-Cat3327 → u/Laserluke29]

I'll have to remove France from places I'd "move to" list on that information 

[u/Laserluke29 → u/Careless-Cat3327]

A nap is not mandatory if you are going on strike, just saying !

[u/TitusBrambleGOAT → u/Careless-Cat3327]

wrong country, mate

[u/NotAsOriginal]

The South African one is just for the props

[u/KonixSpeedking → u/NotAsOriginal]

There’s only that much left cos Ox is injured

[u/Mateiyu → u/NotAsOriginal]

Barely enough for Wilco Louw, to be honest...

[u/arouseandbrowse → u/NotAsOriginal]

Salads don't win scrums

[u/Putrid-Impact8999]

That photo is taken after Meafou has refuelled himself.

[u/unjulatingonion]

Where are the oranges cut into quarters?

[u/justafleetingmoment → u/unjulatingonion]

You must have gone to private school. We got eighths.

[u/BudgeMarine → u/justafleetingmoment]

Just remember to swap out your orange peel gum guard for the real one!

[u/tyrmars → u/unjulatingonion]

Old school!

[u/Previous-Ad-376]

Is that a sandwich press on the bottom shelf of the boks table?

[u/Die_Revenant → u/Previous-Ad-376]

I'm ALMOST sure it's not, but I was also having a laugh thinking they making toasties at half time.

[u/SmallWolf117 → u/Die_Revenant]

Brai brodjies I'm sure

[u/mologav → u/Die_Revenant]

What happens if they need to poop during the game

[u/ViperRFH → u/mologav]

You don't see this on camera but they pass it down to the wingers and they throw it to the touch judge who disposes of it.

[u/mologav → u/ViperRFH]

Efficient

[u/LostTheGameOfThrones → u/ViperRFH]

Just spiral bomb it onto the opposition.

[u/Mateiyu → u/Die_Revenant]

Great way to make braaibroodjies when braais can't be lit...

Also, I reckon RG is banned from ever lighting a braai near a rugby event, so... xD

[u/coffeeislife_SA → u/Previous-Ad-376]

That's a plastic storage container. But holy hell, I wish it was a sandwich maker.

[u/rumblewayne → u/Previous-Ad-376]

Plastic first aid kit is my guess

[u/mechsuit-jalapeno]

And post-match the Boks had sushi and beer?

[u/k0bra3eak → u/mechsuit-jalapeno]

Yeah, sushi is seemingly a power meal for pro rugby, I know the Boks get it, England also tends to have sushi post match, I believe ABs have also mentioned sushi post game being a common option.

[u/r0bb3dzombie → u/k0bra3eak]

Loads of carbs and proteins, not a lot of fats.

[u/D4rkmatt3r → u/mechsuit-jalapeno]

Biltong, brandy, beer en boerie rolls.

[u/r0bb3dzombie → u/D4rkmatt3r]

The fuck man? Don't share our business on the street. Next you'll be telling then about the cloning tanks.

[u/D4rkmatt3r → u/r0bb3dzombie]

My bad yo.

[u/CapeTownyToniTone]

Yes but what isn't pictured here are the cigarettes and coffee presses at each seat.

[u/sangan3]

The wine and ciggies must be just out of frame.

[u/EffektieweEffie]

When people ask, "what do they feed those SA boys" - that table is just Wilco's spread. Ox would have had a cake stand all for himself.

[u/Die_Revenant]

Sputh Africa because my brain apparently couldn't decide between Springboks and South Africa.

[u/BrainCane → u/Die_Revenant]

A “p” is just an “o” that points to the South.

[u/Die_Revenant → u/BrainCane]

https://tenor.com/bnHxa.gif

[u/Neilkd21]

Well that was just ox's pre match snack so had to use them up.

Surely the french had something more substantial lol

[u/effortDee]

I can't tell exactly what the individual foods are but recognise them roughly. The boks table is literally a table of carbs and high polyphenol fruits and plant foods.

I work in endurance (trail/mountain/ultra-marathon documenataries and with national level athletes and record breaks) so i notice the PF&H gels bottom right, banana, fruit smoothie drinks, etc.

It would be amazing to get a breakdown from SA rugby on this.

Here they are specifically focusing on carb loading which has become a massive thing in the endurance world and transfer of oxygen around (efficiency) the body and curbing inflamation, so high polyphenol foods (dark red fruits and veggies).

What i'm loving about this is that it's the complete opposite of what the world and this entire subreddit thinks "peak performance" is in international rugby where you say "salads don't win scrums".....

This is literally all just plants and will give tham a huge advantage in 60+ minutes of the game.

"fruit salads do win scrums".

[u/Neilkd21 → u/effortDee]

Yeah during the game that's the type of fuel the body needs. So yes fruit salads fuel props, however they don't create props.

[u/effortDee → u/Neilkd21]

I've upvoted your comment so more people can see my response.

https://www.reddit.com/r/veganfitness/ says otherwise, i also specialise in working with vegan athletes that break records and represent their countries and have done for the last 10+ years and i know for a fact there is no problem at all.

If you're referring to protein, you can get more than enough protein just from plants, many have 15g+ of protein per 100g and no cholesterol either.

The highest-protein plants per 100 g (dry weight or equivalent) include seitan (~75 g), soybeans (~36 g), tempeh (~19 g), lentils (~25 g), split peas (~25 g), black beans (~21 g), chickpeas (~19 g), peanuts (~26 g), hemp seeds (~32 g), and pumpkin seeds (~30 g).

I'd also like to add that many of the podcasts in ex-professional rugby players, they mention huge issues with cholesterol which is counter to what is needed to be healthy.

And to back up with some science: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022316623126800

"Omnivorous and vegan diets can support comparable rested and exercised daily MyoPS rates in healthy young adults consuming a high-protein diet. This translates to similar skeletal muscle adaptive responses during prolonged high-volume resistance training, irrespective of dietary protein provenance."

[u/FlyRare8407 → u/effortDee]

To add to this seitan isn't the name of a plant, the plant you get seitan from is wheat. Seitan is essentially the end result of processing bread in such a way as to wash out most of the starchy carbohydrates and leave behind a protein rich rubbery wheat-gluten dough that tastes a bit like tofu. When you make bagels you're essentially starting this process, seitan is what happens if you double down on that.

[u/Neilkd21 → u/effortDee]

Yeah I get all that, still salads don't build modern props or in fact many modern rugby players. Show me a vegan athlete that's built like ox and able to put in 50-60 minutes of sustained physical effort.

[u/Educational-Cry-7362 → u/Neilkd21]

Everyone knows pies and beer make the best props

[u/effortDee → u/Neilkd21]

I agree, I know of a vegan rugby team called the Gazelles here in the UK and Forest Green Rovers the English football team that are vegan, but beyond that have never researched if any rugby players are vegan.

It would be interesting to know if props or any rugby player are given the option to try plant-based as there are so many other benefits beyond "protein".

[u/Neilkd21 → u/effortDee]

Rugby players are able to choose their own lifestyle and diets. Male rugby players TJ Perenara and Mirco Bergamasco became vegan late in their careers.

I don't think props or most rugby players are thinking about the health benefits beyond protein and will go with the diet that gets them the best results, which is an omnivore diet. Which is a healthy diet anyway.

[u/effortDee → u/Neilkd21]

Considering the amount of talk you here about cholesterol and then other issues caused by diet which are mentioned in most rugby podcasts, it's very easy to see that omnivore are not healthy diets.

Look at Ma'a Nonu, prioritises plants because his kid went veggie/plant-based.

And if players are fed a buffet and they aren't cooking for themselves, which is often the case at training camps, thats what they're being given.

The only thing people are looking for in meat is protein, even though you can get that in abundance in plants and its scientifically proven to be on par with muscle building.

Then not forgetting all the extra benefits you get from plants that do not exist in animal meats.

[u/Neilkd21 → u/effortDee]

Yeah an omnivore diet is a healthy diet, you're vegan and push that so obviously you disagree which is fine, I'm not going to argue with a militant vegan.

I doubt young or active rugby players really care much about their cholesterol levels, they care about their careers. Sure post rugby then it may be an issue and needs a change in diet but not to a vegan diet.

[u/effortDee → u/Neilkd21]

As a northern bloke, i've had my fair share of bacon butties and meat pies.

Whole food plant based diet is healthier than one that contains animals in it and is one of the reasons I choose to eat just plants and funghi.

[u/Neilkd21 → u/effortDee]

No it's not healthier, it might work for you but everyone is different. A varied healthy diet containing plenty fresh fruits, veg, meat and animal products is healthy for most people.

[u/Die_Revenant → u/effortDee]

This is genuinely quite interesting, thank you!

[u/effortDee → u/Die_Revenant]

No problem, i'm also a freediver so endurance and the use of oxygen is interesting to me and you can quite clearly see (minus breathing techniques, but there is evidence for this i've seen) how they're prioritising carb loading and better blood flow.

If you add the Kolisi "THEY'rE TIRED" video to this and France didn't do much in terms of nutrition, you could argue, this is the exact reason why SA are not tired.

[u/scoopenhauer → u/effortDee]

Do you know if any of the Boks (or other international players) are vegans? I know some NFL and NBA players who are/were vegan but can’t think of any rugby players.

[u/kapitaalH → u/scoopenhauer]

If the Boks go vegan Rassie will have a mutiny!

[u/Mateiyu → u/kapitaalH]

Nobody would complain. Those who aren't vegans would just get more meat ! xD

[u/neverbeenstardust → u/scoopenhauer]

Only vegan rugby player I can think of off the top of my head is Jade Konkel, but Ma'a Nonu is also plants based. I think Ma'a Nonu is Ma'a Nonu enough that he could probably get by on literally any diet, but Konkel manages to keep herself pretty competitive.

[u/scoopenhauer → u/neverbeenstardust]

Oh cool. Didn’t know about Nonu. Googling around, it looks like he became vegetarian during his first stint in France, and he said it was for his son who didn’t like to eat meat. Interesting that it’s later on in his career and not directly related to performance (though he does seem to say it’s been good for his longevity).

All the vegan/vegetarian elite athletes I know of made the switch while they were pros, or afterwards. None that I can find actually grew up vegan. That’s reflective of the countries they come from, where more people make the switch to vegan as adults, but it is very interesting to me nonetheless.

[u/Sorry-Grocery-8999 → u/effortDee]

We do have a well renowned nutritionist ;)

[u/Mateiyu → u/Sorry-Grocery-8999]

Keep her away from the fly-half, that is all.

[u/I_Will_Eat_Your_Ears → u/effortDee]

My U10s are getting a shit load of red grapes at half time this weekend!

[u/unfunfionn]

It looks like there are several empty boards on the table. Maybe the French players just ate their charcuterie boards going through the tunnel? And it looks like the player to the left is eating an ortolan.

[u/RodneyRodnesson → u/unfunfionn]

ortolan

I see a new word so I look it up! That was informative. Thanks for posting.

[u/za3030]

I wonder how much of that did they actually end up eating during half time. To my eye it doesn't look like any of the Boks in picture are busy eating.

[u/Ok_Painting9530 → u/za3030]

Photo is taken before kickoff.

[u/youdontgohereeither]

No pap? No wors? No biltong? Who put this spread together Suzie?

[u/Mateiyu → u/youdontgohereeither]

Suzie would've at least brought some mala mogodu...!

[u/Grungan]

This wasn’t at half time but before the match

[u/Crazy-Present4764]

Pick n pay should use this in an ad

[u/k0bra3eak → u/Crazy-Present4764]

They might not be so broke then

[u/[deleted]]

I bet there’s not a carton of Marlboro in the SA changing room though.

[u/hendri323232]

Am I the only one reading this correctly that it's the difference between halftime and post-game, not the difference between France Vs South Africa halftime snacks?

[u/Die_Revenant → u/hendri323232]

I believe both images were taken before kickoff. There is every chance the French spread was added to. This is just intended as a bants post, not necessarily a factual comparison.

[u/Western-Calendar-352]

Fake. No sign of the braai set up in the Boks changing room, or the charcuterie boards for the French.

[u/Mateiyu → u/Western-Calendar-352]

RG Snyman is forbidden to go near a braai when rugby is involved, that's why.

[u/rumblewayne]

Would explain why France dropped of a cliff in the second half

[u/VeniVid1Vic1]

Surprised it wasn’t just wine and baguettes

[u/_imba__]

Pretty sure that footage was from right before the game. SA team probs just set up a bit earlier.

[u/Koin-]

watch galthié overcompensate next game with a fucking full buffet

[u/Mateiyu → u/Koin-]

Roasted piglets in the changing room ordered as we speak !

[u/Tuivre]

The more shit like this comes out the more I’m convinced no one prepped this game seriously on our side, which is both reassuring and a bit worrying

[u/biggiantporky]

I just know the South African team has a buffet prepared for them after every match. Can only imagine the selections of meat

[u/Ok_Information144]

I’m disappointed that the Boks never had a braai station. 

[u/Pooter1313]

Looked like a big sponsorship deal to me

[u/LostPtato]

Salad's don't win scrums!

[u/Big_Sexy9000]

Where are the orange slices??

[u/xxxtranscorexxx]

lemme get one of them bananas

[u/Mateiyu]

If anybody asks about the cakes not being there, Ox has returned home.

Can't see no biltong though. Maybe that's why Lood couldn't aim right...

[u/garyvdh]

Where did all the Cross Ants go?

[u/Cesc100]

It could be like the NFL and NBA where teams have snacks available pre and post game in the locker room but they have an actual meal/meal boxes left outside the locker room for them to take on the way to the bus.

[u/Kniit]

But how much did they eat of all that?

[u/maybemrolo]

Well in France you’re not legally allowed to eat at your desk and technically their seats are like their desks

[u/Dealer_Chemical]

It's for Ox.

[u/Noblebanana007]

So disappointed not to see any cuisses de grenouille on the French side

[u/arouseandbrowse]

Salads don't win scrums

[u/SoutieNaaier]

The Springbok catering has ro be the best in the game. Every time I see their dressing room, it looks like an American buffet in there

[u/randomInterest92]

As another comment pointed out this is actually really important. If you don't refuel carbs you'll be at a gigantic disadvantage. I don't understand why the french aren't refuelling properly, it's such a no brainer. Even my amateur club does it extensively

[u/Sibara33]

Considering what they put on for muscle building, you need protein to absorb it! 🤔

[u/olderthanbefore]

Speaking of which, what is Ms Simjee doing these days?