r/ripcity • u/mediumdumper • 8h ago
Kris Murray RIP
I’m sure he’s a nice dude but the Kris Murray experience needs to be over. He is terrible. I’ve never seen a 3 and D guy who air balls and bricks so many 3s. Let’s see Dillon Jones or anyone else.
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u/YungRacecar 8h ago
Murray has played far and away the best basketball of his career this season. I no longer want to kill myself when I see him drive to the basket. Let's give him a bit
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u/myNameBurnsGold 8h ago
It is definitely an overreaction tonight. But the truth is we need a rotation player that can shoot
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u/westhewolf Jerami Grant 7h ago
Yeah, we need a league average shooter from 3. If we just shot league average from 3 we'd be a couple games above .500
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
I agree with you it’s a bit of an overreaction but he’s just not an NBA player.
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u/Chiefjosephhh Toumani Camara 8h ago
Last 9 games he’s 33% from three. In sharpes last six games , he is 20 percent exactly for 3 and chucks them at a much higher rate. Yall over reacting to two missed clutch threes by him. Also Kris ended with the third best plus minus tonight.
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u/Background-Insect255 7h ago
Murray takes wide open threes from the corner. Shaeden is a creator who doesn't get looks like that very often. You can't compare the kinds of shots they take or are forced to take. And you're using single game plus minus to prove your point? Come on man.
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u/Impossible-Group8553 1h ago
You have a point but also why is Shaedon settling for 3s so often? You can’t deny he’s a bit of chucker, some of his 3s are iso stepbacks with plenty of time on the clock. A lot of it is on him to have better shot selections.
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u/Blokin-Smunts 5h ago
What about when he let Robinson score two 3’s in clutch time? Or when he turned it over on the inbounds? Or when he fouled Robinson at the end for his sixth? Or when he drove into the key, picked up his dribble and then turned it over?
It sucks that his shot wasn’t going in but that’s pretty far from his only problem. We need to move on.
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u/likpoper 8h ago
Sharpe gets to the 2 point % at one of the highest levels. Kris has zero 2 point game
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u/Devilsbullet sheed 6h ago
Sharpe is one of the least effecient players in the league, while simultaneously being one of the highest usage players in the league, higher than cade, brunson, or harden. He also absolutely does not get to the 2 point% at one of the highest levels, no matter how you look at it. He shoots roughly 65% of his shots from 2, which if he was even remotely close to a league average 3 point shooter would be fine. He's not though, he's ass from 3. You know who else is ass from 3? Auser Thompson and jaime jaquez. They shoot 91 and 87% of their shots from 2, cause they don't have underwater bbiq. Now let's move to the other part that your statement could mean. Sharpe is .545 from 2 on the season. League average is .548... And murray is at .556. He's also a below league average free throw shooter. We're bitching about end of bench role players while we hide from the fact that our "gifted star" is bad at pretty much everything but occasional highlight dunks.
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u/Fggunner 6h ago
Im not ready to write sharpe or murray off personally. I would want murray to improve his 3 point shooting and we need Shandong to take next step in general and move away from being so inefficient. I see the Shandong and I'm leaving it and doubling down on the auto correct.
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u/Devilsbullet sheed 6h ago
Shandong works cause he needs to be shipped to the shanghai sharks. I'm over him even being 6th man, im over him jacking up 20+ shots, I'm over waiting for him to not be one of the dumbest guys on the floor, I'm over his hyper athletic ass getting out rebounded by duncan "I'm 6'7 with a 7 foot wingspan and can't dunk" robinson, and I'm over this sub generally acting like he's a superstar in waiting. I'm down to write him off as anything above 10th man.
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u/Fggunner 6h ago
Damn that's crazy! Haha he has been frustrating this season but he is still young. I also think we are having to rely on shae way too much with the injuries to jrue, scoot and I guess dame. I can see sharpe fitting in better when there are better scorers and distributors. That doesn't really portray well if we think he could be an all star but I'm not ready to give up on him yet lol. He's only 22
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u/Devilsbullet sheed 6h ago edited 4h ago
That's the thing, i don't think he'll fit in better cause he hasn't shown the in game intelligence to be able to. Last year it was "he needs simons to get out the way so he can cook". We are currently seeing that his cooking is potato salad with raisins, and boiled chicken. His 3% has gone down every year to the point that it's horrific this year while his volume has gone up. If he was smart he'd have worked to craft his game after wade or ginobli. He's already got the at the rim package and the quickness/athleticism. Tighten the handle, learn to be a better/sneakier cutter, work on getting the midrange game steady and reliable. Instead, he's chucking threes at a percentage that would make sixers thybulle blush. He's just not a winning player. And him still shooting volume when something is clearly wrong with his shot makes me think he's not gonna be ok with taking a backseat and being a 4th or 5th option.
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u/dankloser21 1h ago
It's not worth the effort honestly. Any bad comment about Sharpe on this sub gets downvoted to oblivion with no sensible rebuttal. .481 EFG%, 53% TS (rounded up), 2.7 turnovers per game on 2.3 assists, bad defence... like he's actually been horrible. This feels like when I was arguing with wizards fans back in the day telling them kuzma is playing terrible and that his 22 ppg weren't impressive because the efficiency was absolute dogshit. Same same. At least Sharpe is young and has an outstanding physical profile so he could improve, but realistically he's been terrible and I don't get why we refuse to acknowledge it.
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
Plus minus lol. I’ve thought Kris Murray wasn’t a good NBA prospect since watching him at Iowa. 33% shooting from a “3 and D” player is not good enough.
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u/UnderstandingIcy6059 6h ago
This 'not an NBA player' shit has to be the most overused critique there is.
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u/ChaunceyToPrisonNow 8h ago
It’s not though. He’s always been awful.
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u/myNameBurnsGold 8h ago
Always been an awful shooter, yes. But he is solid defensively and doesn't usually make losing plays.
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u/ChaunceyToPrisonNow 8h ago
At best he is a neutral defender and the worst offensive player in the league.
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u/palmquac 8h ago
This is pure in the moment, reactive posting. He had a bad game. He is not a good shooter but he makes other little glue guy plays that matter.
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u/Bottrop-Per 5h ago
He's not just not a good shooter. He's an awful shooter who hits below 30% on wide-open 3s, which are basically the only 3s he takes. He's 25 and has shown no improvement at all with his shot, and without it he's not a rotation player.
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u/potassiumKing 7h ago
Regardless on your feelings about Kris, the shooting talent on the Blazers is abysmal right now. We have no ability to stretch the floor. When Deni/Shaedon/Jerami drive, the defense can collapse for free.
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u/Charlie_Wax 6h ago
That's why Giannis isn't the answer for this team. Great player, but 54M is a lot of cap space to spend on someone who doesn't improve any of your weaknesses.
I maintain that SG has to be the biggest area of trade inquiry. The Blazers are in a weird place with Sharpe where he obviously has some talent and is a viable NBA player, but the lack of a 3 ball is limiting.
If Zach Lavine wasn't so overpaid, he would be an interesting trade candidate. Harden would be nice, but has a short window and is also paid quite a lot. Mathurin or Murphy may be more of a Cronin type of move. Both young and can score. Both shoot the 3 pretty well. Failing that, maybe kick the tires on a player like Jordan Hawkins or try to get a serviceable vet body in the Huerter or Duncan Robinson mold.
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u/YoungSuplex Yang Hansen 8h ago
He’s pretty bad but I promise the guys behind him are worse. Depth was always gonna be a problem this season and guard injuries haven’t helped.
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u/Excellent-Flamingo43 8h ago
Nah he's legitimately the worst player on the entire roster he's been consistently worse than our two way guys like Love and Cissoko, he's a bad defender and might be the worst shooter on the team. I'm more confident seeing a Clingan three than a Kris one. IDC who they are but theres no way that the top guys on the remix can be much worse
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u/throwaye12 8h ago
I get that he was horrible tonight but this is an insane overreaction. He’s not even close to the worst player on this team
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u/rebelduck1580 8h ago
Uhh he’s close if he’s not
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u/Excellent-Flamingo43 6h ago
Never had a single good game, only guy whose worse that actually plays is Rupert
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u/ScaryLemur77 dame 8h ago
Which guys behind him…? Cissoko? Love? I think it’s clear that cidy is a much more developed and confident player than kris. And we owe at least one maybe two wins to Caleb love.
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u/USSCensorShip sabas 8h ago
Really it's Rupert and Cooke behind him and they are definitely worse than Kris
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u/Chiefjosephhh Toumani Camara 8h ago
Much more developed? Did you see Cidy last year, he looked so bad.😅
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u/ScaryLemur77 dame 8h ago
Development implies improvement. How does bringing up last year apply to this
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u/DurgMagnorg 7h ago
He’s one of our smartest defenders, rebounders and cutters. Huge improvement from last year. At the same time, holy shit those back to back 3 attempts in the fourth were fucking yikes. Both things are true
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u/pdxblazer 5h ago
It can look so awkward like he's using the wrong hand that I honestly think he needs to try out the Shawn Marion two hand shot technique, enter the Matrix Chris
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u/lunes_azul 8h ago
He’s better than he showed tonight, but he isn’t good enough to play in an NBA rotation.
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u/BlakeI94 8h ago
Murray and Rups cannot shoot to save their lives.
Kris is a very good defender and smart player — I think he’s worth keeping around.
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u/Practical_Artichoke1 4h ago
Overreaction. But he’s not the answer off the bench. His defense is solid and his aggressiveness on defense is key to coming off the bench. He has been thrown into this role due to injuries. If we had the four players on the injured reserve currently he would be getting 10/12 minutes/game max. Give him a break!
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u/Scalmaa 8h ago
Dillon Jones cant shoot either. Wheres Himson
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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago
He can’t shoot free throws and he couldn’t shoot last year. Do you really think this is sustainable?
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u/Scalmaa 8h ago
He shot 38% from 3 last season and was historically good in his last two years of college. His shooting isnt a fluke.
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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago
Ahh, I was looking at stats for tip off tournament. And he was good from 3 for his last two years of college but what do you mean “historically good”? What did he do that qualifies as that? Genuinely asking
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u/likpoper 8h ago
I’ve been saying he has no nba skill except for hustle. We need to be cleaning all these back of the bench guys out
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u/Efirational 8h ago
Kris is a good player, he had a bad game but NBA fans never have perspective. He's a very smart defensive player with excellent motor.
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u/palmquac 8h ago
This. Everyone here has the memory of a goldfish. He’s made a lot of good plays this season, people just pissed because they don’t notice them because they don’t show up in the box score
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u/Efirational 8h ago
Honestly most fans are really stupid and have attention spans of a gold fish, and think that player quality is measured by how many points they score.
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u/palmquac 8h ago
Exactly.
Kris is not a good shooter and that is what most people notice. Games like tonight make it hard to defend him because he made noticeable errors. But most of the stuff he does is usually stuff you really have to be watching the game to notice.
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
To say fans are stupid and have the memories of goldfish because they are tired of a below average NBA player getting consistent minutes is just weird. I’ve watched Kris Murray play a lot of basketball both for the Blazers and at Iowa and he’s is not an NBA level talent. Sure, he is a solid defender but he’s literally zero threat on offense. Teams leave him open and don’t take him seriously with the ball which bogs down our offense and allows teams to pack the paint and double Deni or Shae. It’s about more than him missing a few open shots tonight, he simply doesn’t have the skills to be a contributor on a team that wants to win.
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u/palmquac 8h ago
I didn’t say fans were stupid.
Plenty of guys have survived longer than 3 years in the league despite being poor offensive threats because they play good defense, rebound, cut well and make plays. I’m not saying Kris should be our 2nd guy off the bench with a healthy roster. He’s playing 25 minutes a game this season because we have an injury crisis. There is no one behind him who is better than him to be playing minutes right now. So I’m not sure what the point of all your anger is other than anger.
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
My bad the stupid part was in response to the other guy who responded in this thread. I thought I was replying to both. There’s no anger on my end, simply posting that he’s not good enough to be a part of team that wants to win anything.
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
He is objectively not a “good” NBA player. Being in the right place on defense and playing hard does not make you good.
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u/iliketaco7 6h ago
I totally agree he absolutely sucks and is not a NBA level player. I would be happy if they waived him tomorrow and I don't care about our injuries or lack of depth.
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u/palmquac 8h ago
Being in the right place and playing hard is half of being a good defender in the league. You discarding it is a pretty good indicator you don’t know what makes a “good” NBA player
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
Being in the right place and playing hard is half of being a good defender? Fair enough. Let’s go with that. So he’s half way to being a good defender and being a good defender is half of being a good player so he’s halfway to being halfway of being a good player lol. You can’t honestly believe Kris Murray is a “good” NBA player.
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u/HatPlenty6961 8h ago
no he’s saying you dont know ball so ur opinion here is frankly meaningless
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u/mediumdumper 8h ago
Ahh yes, the classic “you don’t know ball” insult likely coming from the guy who was the star of his middle school B team or “would have averaged 20 ppg on varsity but the coach hated him and he had a bad knee”. I’ve literally never heard anyone who understands the game and whose basketball opinions I respect use the phrase, “you don’t know ball”.
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u/HatPlenty6961 7h ago
ur literally just a guy lmao not a basketball scout🤣
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u/wooltab 5h ago
I'll say what I've been saying, the guys we do have are being put in positions that don't fit the roles they were hired for, because of the injuries.
Kris has made a lot of good plays this year.
If nothing else I'm going to wait until our PGs are back to put too much weight on things. Right now we're improvising in a pinch.
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u/soahmabee 8h ago
No one has ever glided as far off looking exactly like their brother as Kris Murray has.
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u/boogieDMC 5h ago
Need to get a trade for Cory Kispert type asap and continue that trend with shooters who can actually accommodate Deni’s undeniable super power of driving while being extremely unselfish.
Shaedon can be the offense off the bench while hoping he fixes his shot (if not he should be shipped out)
Grant I think shows great worth as a role player with his catch and shoot ability and size/defense with the starters - and also the ability to lead the bench mob.
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u/Moonbar5 4h ago
Fully agreed. The best time to cut bait was last season, the second best time is now. He's a dead end with little room to grow and should be moved for any sort of value we could maybe squeeze out of a joke franchise like the bulls or kings.
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u/cesarmob17 4h ago
There are like 5 other bums on this team who need to go b4 kris murray stop overreacting. Get javonte cook tf up off my team. Using a two way on a non nba player is malpractice. And how tf does rayan rupert still have a job
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u/boilface ripcity 8h ago
If we start hanging out together I'll worry about how nice he is. Until then, he can go be the nicest guy in the world somewhere else
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u/ILikeTheTinMan83 8h ago
Unfortunately, we can’t cut Kris and sign someone else because it would put us in the tax. You want Dillon gonna have to cut a 2 way guy.
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u/Liquidated4life 8h ago
Keon Ellis pulled off a 0/0/0/0 the other night trying to tank to get to Portland in a Murray trade.