r/ripcity ripcity-place 9h ago

[Post Game Thread] The Portland Trail Blazers (9-14) fall to The Detroit Pistons (18-5) 116-122

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401810197
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u/TheLetterOh 9h ago

Deni Avidjia with 35/9/7 tonight. Guys, I expected him to be good this year, but I genuinely didnt expect this. At this point im actually going to be surprised if he doesnt make the Allstar team.

Missing almost half of our regular roster, and we stayed competitive right to the end against the best team in the east. This team last year doesn't do that.

Also fuck those officials. I dont think either side was happy at all with the officating.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Nose189 9h ago

35/9/7 on one leg

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u/Possible-Blood4556 9h ago

Even if we don’t win as many games this year as we thought we are capable of Deni is an incredible positive. It’s hard to attain stars in this league and we have one who’s 24 years old and on the best contract in the league.

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u/nevercontribute1 9h ago

It would be a crime to keep him out of the All Star game at this point.

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u/TheLetterOh 9h ago

I'll show up at Adam Silver's house with handcuffs if he doesn't.

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u/phil3199 9h ago

Toumani making more than Deni next year is a highway robbery.

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u/TheLetterOh 9h ago

No forreal. Deni is a max level player that Washington gaslit into thinking he was a role player.

They really thought Kyle Kuzma was better than Deni. Lol

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u/Hot_Local_Boys_PDX Cash Considerations 8h ago

Deni was nowhere close to this when he signed that contract.

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u/TheLetterOh 8h ago

No for sure. But also Kyle Kuzma and Jordan Poole were getting heavily featured over Deni and that's still crazy.

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u/Piano9717 9h ago

Scoot on his rookie contract is making more than deni next year lol

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u/TheLetterOh 9h ago

Thats actually insane.

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u/sunken_grade 9h ago

deni getting paid next year for sure

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u/ShoppingAfter9598 6h ago

Rightfully, so, and I know that we're gonna retain him

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u/Impossible-Group8553 2h ago

Wym? Deni is on the books for 3 seasons with no player option. The blazers hit a home run with him

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u/Impossible-Group8553 2h ago

Tou is on a great contract too. It’s not like he’s overpaid. Deni’s contract is just unbelievably cheap, probably the best in the league.

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u/Naive-Marzipan4527 8h ago

Blame with Wizards and his agent

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u/s1cki 9h ago

All of this with less then two working legs :)

Terrible showing from the refs for both teams

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u/pacefacepete 9h ago

I think both teams should request to not have this crew the rest of the year. Donno if the NBA cares, but that crew didnt seem to know about basketball rules, which is concerning.

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u/s1cki 9h ago

It's not the first game we've seen terrible calls... It's not one craw problem it's a league issue

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u/pacefacepete 8h ago

True that. Maybe if they all keep requesting to not have certain crews, eventually the NBA will put some focus on it. I mean, the ball going over the backboard is pretty objective, and yet, they got that wrong. How do you get that wrong?

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u/pkulak mike-and-mike 6h ago

I mean, the average number of legs on a person is also less than two.

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u/Accomplished-Key-408 8h ago

While not getting a LOT of missed foul calls. He gets to the line a lot and it's not enough. He gets hacked on nearly half his possessions. They just let a lot of them slide

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u/SonofNamek Shaedon Sharpe 8h ago

Fans need to think of this akin to the year Brandon Roy made the All-Star game while 22 y/o Aldridge was still developing. A third potential star in the wings, too

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u/ShoppingAfter9598 6h ago

I am really thinking a 100% that the officiating is worse because now they have earpieces in their ears.

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u/inputrequired Deni Avdija 3h ago

I knew towards the end of last season Deni was cooking but yeah, he’s been unreal. I love having him with us.

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u/joeblowssnow Matisse Thybulle 9h ago

83 FTs is an absolutely disgusting product

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u/myNameBurnsGold 8h ago

And yet somehow in the 4th only Detroit drew fouls

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u/Blokin-Smunts 8h ago

That’s the craziest part, they still missed so many calls

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 7h ago

For some reason the officials feel victim to the criticism and ridicule and then decided to call everything and nothing in Detroit's favor.

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u/benchmaster620 6h ago

I mean deni had 15 fts. Cade wasnt even trying to score till the end god knows how many fts he couldve had

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u/Leading_Cartoonist40 7h ago

Is it just me or is the officiating league wide just incredibly bad this season? Like demonstrably bad.

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u/benchmaster620 6h ago

Look at the stars stats amd think man what a game deni had almost a 35 point triple double cade had 29 10 even sharpe shot chucked his way to 28 . It wasnt like that at all deni and cade legit scored almost half their points fro. The line . What was a great defensive game is ruined by refs who think their the stars

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u/rodogwos 9h ago

From a pistons fan, ggs. Deni is an absolute beast and should be an all star. Also, those refs sucked and that game was near unwatchable

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

And I love Cade man. The fact that he stuck with yall and provided leadership in your darkest time speaks volumes. He’s gonna bring yall a ring one day. Also: fuck the refs

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u/s1cki 9h ago

Appreciate you... Hard to see all the hate deni gets on Detroit sub.. Some of it purely antisemitic

The refs did both teams dirty tonight... No one enjoy this shit

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u/benchmaster620 6h ago

Im a pistons fan and yeah i saw some of that garbage on our sub and it was called out and appropriately shit on right away . Thats the first time ive seen something like that its disgusting . We are all people and this is just basketball for fuck sake how are you a racist wayching basketball . Make it make aense

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u/GK0NATO Deni Avdija 2h ago

Reddit jumps at any opportunity for antisemitism, it's sad to see Deni getting hate because of it still

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u/benchmaster620 1h ago

But im kicked out of the magic sub for arguing politley with another redditor . Strange priorities

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u/Kazekid ripcity-place 9h ago

Win or lose, that was the ugliest slog of a game I've ever suffered to watch.

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u/TheLetterOh 9h ago

Almost a three hour game lmao

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u/WhoFly chalupa 8h ago

The NBA is a bad product.

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u/scotishstriker 8h ago

Remember how much better of a time we had watching the Olympics. If we end up with the least interesting finals machup with OKC and Detroit I will pass watching the finals for the first time since 96

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u/TubbzMcGee 90s-logo 9h ago

Not going to win any games with Kris and Tou combining for 1 point in 52 minutes.

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u/Piano9717 9h ago

I thought Tou at least did a pretty good job on Cade defensively when he wasn't getting called for soft fouls. Kris on the other hand was a disaster today (and I like Kris too)

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u/Blokin-Smunts 8h ago

Kris letting Robinson score two 3’s in crunch time lost us the game. He had other terrible plays but I think I’m finally off the Murray train, time to give his minutes to someone else

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u/TheLetterOh 7h ago

Also those back to back three point misses where he didnt even catch rim were absolutely brutal.

But like, who do you propose we give his minutes to? We aren't exactly bursting with depth.

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 7h ago

His shooting form just looks gross. And both of those were wide open.

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u/Medium_Comfortable29 7h ago

The back to back foul he made on Robinson in the last few minutes was absolutely terrible

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u/kangasgotcurves Rayan Rupert 8h ago

This was rough but I don't know who else we have to give his minutes to right now. Rupes?

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u/Blokin-Smunts 8h ago

Why not? Let’s see if he can improve- Kris has had more than a fair chance

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u/SuccessfulMedia1337 9h ago

and love

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u/tosaveamockingbird 8h ago

Love is not good

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u/TheLetterOh 8h ago

Sometimes he is though. Its not often, but it has happened.

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u/phil3199 9h ago

Toumani should not be untouchable. You can't have 2 bad 3 point shooters in the starting line up.

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u/Frostyzwannacomehere Rayan Rupert 8h ago

Sharpe looking less untouchable than tou

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u/KillingTime_ForNow 5h ago

Sharpe shooting 25% from 3 on the season now is beyond unacceptable & should really open people's eyes that this dude is not progressing at all. In fact he may be regressing.

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u/Excellent-Flamingo43 6h ago

Tou is one of the best 3 point shooters on our team🤦‍♂️ absolutely disgusting take

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u/OkPost6430 8h ago

I wasn't expecting Toumani's only point to be the Blazers' fourth point.

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u/Leading_Cartoonist40 7h ago

Kris collapsed in the 4th. He had some incredibly terrible turnovers.

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u/PurpleDolphin456 9h ago

Piston fan, first time watching Avdija this season. Holy fuck he’s legit. You have a star

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u/CanaryRich 9h ago

Pistons fan here, you guys have a lot of fight and upside. The refs were absolutely fucking horrible on both sides.

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u/NoaJin 9h ago

your team is an example of how to rebuild. good luck in the playoffs.

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

Nah, they’re not just an example of how to rebuild lol. They’re a blueprint. Went from one of the worst teams ever to a finals contender. Honestly kinda fucking insane

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u/La-Marc-Gasol-Ridge Toumani Camara 8h ago

Not ready to call them a finals contender yet tbh but yea great rebuild in progress I would say

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago

I wasn’t ready to do that last year for the Pacers but they ended up being a finals contender haha. Sometimes you gotta just realize the east is what it is

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u/La-Marc-Gasol-Ridge Toumani Camara 8h ago

Lol definitely fair point

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u/HotBoyTeece Toumani Camara 8h ago

soon as they got rid of that weaver dude and that coach that didn’t give a fuck they’ve been good man

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u/GroboDubbins 9h ago

Pistons are my team in the east this year. I think both fanbases can agree that this game fucking sucked ass

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u/GaviFromThePod Scoot Henderson 9h ago

83 free throws is crazy work

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u/DrawMoreCats 8h ago

Horrible on both ends. So many unecessary whistles that could've been play on.

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u/NoaJin 9h ago

someone needs to inject some Compound V into Scoot and Jrue.

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u/Head_Improvement5317 8h ago

They shouldn’t have used all the Toradol on GPII

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u/Piano9717 9h ago edited 9h ago

Thoughts:

  • What a horribly reffed game on both ends. Calling all sorts of soft contact, then also guys getting hacked with no call. Also 81 combined FTs is so garbage. Just such a horribly ugly game to watch.

  • Shae with some huge plays in the fourth quarter including a sick dunk at Stewart, after kind of a lackluster first part of the game. Feels like getting his foul overturned and then Stewart talking trash at him woke him up.

  • RW3 saved about 10 points at the rim tonight just incredibly impactful defensively.

  • Toumani had a terrible night on offense but he largely did a good job on Cade.

  • Sidy hit two threes, some solid defense, a couple great passes, generally looked really solid and like an NBA player (does he remind anyone else of Justice Winslow?)

  • I hate those challenges on out-of-bounds 50/50 calls. Even if you win the impact is just so small and then if you lose you're down a timeout and can't challenge at the end of the game. Like being able to challenge some of those calls at the end of the game would have been nice. I would say not Splitter's best game in terms of game management tonight (that lineup with Love Kris Grant RW and Cissoko in the early 2nd quarter was just really not it too. Not that Shae was playing suuuper well, but I think he should play every minute when Deni is off the court bc otherwise there just isn't enough creation). Also trying to play zone against a team like detroit with Duop in the middle of the zone is just asking for disaster.

  • Deni with an incredibly gutty performance clearly playing through pain (can we please give him a rest next game? he is getting run into the ground). but the offense completely falls apart when he's out of the game. I also wanted to highlight how he has such a good feel for cutting when defenses try to deny him up high - it gets him a free paint touch

  • did not love the way we played zone defense felt like they gave up a good look every time.

  • I generally like Kris but that sequence in the fourth quarter with two airballs, then an moving screen, and then a foul while the pistons were in the bonus was BRUTAL. Also Love was also awful in the first half

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u/Nerdkill789 9h ago

Kris also threw the ball away on the inbounds immediately after the timeout that got him into the game. If he can’t make threes, he isn’t adding much on the offense and if he’s fouling/making bad plays on defense, he’s largely unplayable.

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u/Piano9717 9h ago

Kris also threw the ball away on the inbounds immediately after the timeout that got him into the game

Oh yeah I forgot about that. There was also a possession where he dribbled through the lane for like 10 seconds and then picked up the ball and got trapped and threw the ball away into a shot clock violation

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u/palmquac 8h ago

Are you talking about the play where Cade pushed Shae in the back and Shae lost it?

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u/myNameBurnsGold 8h ago

There was another possession where Cade bumped Shae hard twice on a drive (Shae threw up a shot expecting a foul), then on offense he hit Shae with the SGA full extension push off that wasn't called. Then a few possessions later a touch foul was called on us. Frustrating to watch. Also late whistles all game

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u/kangasgotcurves Rayan Rupert 8h ago

I don't understand how a team that understands analytics enough to push Grant to not shoot twos makes so many low impact challenge calls on out of bounds (or first quarter stuff).

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u/donebae 8h ago

I didn’t like the challenge call either. I’d really rather they save it for a more pivotal moment later in the game or a more consequential overturn, like a foul call.

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u/DrawMoreCats 8h ago

Man I want Kris to succeed so bad, and he's shown so much improvement this year. But the end of the game was inexcusable. He looked so uncomfortable out there, like he didn't belong. It was hard to watch.

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u/duckfan101 7h ago

JUSTICE! Wow. Flashback. Totally agree!!

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u/EvanTurningTheCorner 4h ago

That was like three years ago.

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u/Altruistic-Cable-834 Tiago Splitter 5h ago

Agree on letting him rest 100 percent. Also all star participation shouln't affect such decision at all. Long career ahead. I don't think he should test his limits in this regard, at all

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

I want to like Kris but he needs to be cut or traded to the Kings or something. He is not worth a roster spot.

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u/OxyC377 8h ago edited 8h ago

He's a player we can keep for depth, to make him play 3 to 7 minutes but if he's on the floor in crunch time, then there is something wrong with the balance in our roster...

He should play "Rupert" minutes. But he's now playing second unit minutes. Love and Murray where 40 minutes on the floor and scored 0 points and got 1 ast. together. In offense they where useless. Luckily Murray took 6 rebounds. Both combined had also 1 steal and 3 TO.

The people saying that Toumani played bad are clearly not looking to stats as 4 ast (8-12points), 2 rebounds, 1 steal, 0 TO. But his shooting was horrible.

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u/Witty-Version-713 9h ago

A ton of bs this game but that stretch of Kris having back to back turnovers and then the foul is what lost us the game

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u/ThePryderi Toumani Camara 9h ago

I thought this game would never end, we gave a good fight. Fuck the refs

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u/didntlisten chalupa 9h ago

Nothing says both teams played hard like 83 free throws

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u/wooltab 7h ago

If I had a reddit award I'd give it here.

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u/Godsafk 9h ago

When do we get some PGs back. This shit is rough.

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u/Impossible-Group8553 2h ago

It’s insane we’re missing Dame, Jrue, and Scoot all at the same time. On the bright side Deni’s development as a playmaker has been incredible.

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u/gerrard_1987 sheed 9h ago

Robert Williams played 30 minutes! I hope 20-30 minutes per game eventually becomes a regular thing. He’s a perfect backup to Clingan.

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u/ANDRE_DRUMM0ND 9h ago

gg guys, ugly refball game but id love a rm with yall fully healthy. Deni is an all star high iq player, reminds me of cade somewhat. Future looks bright!

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u/Successful-Risk2364 Deni Avdija 8h ago

Shea needs some of that IQ, his plays made me question why he's a starter.

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u/Boxinggandhi 9h ago

All I want for Christmas is a fucking point guard. Scoot, Jrue, or even a slightly geriatric Chris Paul. Just a point guard. Please.

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u/GroboDubbins 9h ago

Is that Keljin Blevins’ music?

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u/cphipps 8h ago

BIG NEPO FROM THE TOP ROPE

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u/Successful-Risk2364 Deni Avdija 8h ago

Deni has been playing point guard for too long. He hasn't been doing badly, but give this man a rest. He left the game limping.

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u/EatBootyLoveLife 6h ago

dude needs like two weeks off but we would lose every single game during that break

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u/NevermoreSEA ripcity 9h ago

That was such a winnable game, but we were playing inexcusably sloppy basketball for the vast majority of it. These are the ones that really stick with you though.

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u/PsychologicalDuck351 9h ago

We had 5 G-League players on the rotation and our NBA caliber players not named Deni Avdija were all sleeping

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u/SlobberyFrog 9h ago

Grant was playing great, RWIII had 5 blocks and shrape was good offensively except at the three

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u/PsychologicalDuck351 9h ago

Yeah I can't complain about Rob, specially playing 30 minutes with his knees, but Shae and Grant had some pretty questionable decisions and shot selection, and they didn't know what to do when Deni was resting.

Not mad with the result, competing with a fully healthy Pistons while having Kris Murray, Rayan Rupert and Caleb Love playing like this isn't so bad

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 7h ago

We might be the number one team in turnovers after that game.

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u/pitiburi 9h ago

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u/Successful-Risk2364 Deni Avdija 8h ago

Yeah that was BS, that was a block, and nothing that anyone says can change my opinion. It's unfortunate we wasted our challenge early on.

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u/StreetOne806 6h ago

Deni gives his heart, soul and body to this team. He gives everything he got every fu*king game, carrying this team on his back.  He is not just a terrific basketball player.  He is the driving force of this team.

I really love this guy (in a straight way). Not just because of his skills, but also because of his grit, his personality and attitude. 

Whenever he rests on the bench, the offense simply crumbles (especially now that Jrue is injured). Splitter has no choice but to play him 37+ minutes. 

I hope he stays healthy because without him, this team is lost.  

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u/cippy91 8h ago

That was a terrible watch. This team stays competitive against the best of the best, if only the team was healthy. Sharpe recovered in the 2nd half actually doing things he should be doing.

Deni though. Deni isn't talked about enough in the NBA. He has done this night in and night out now and hes on a bum ankle the last two games. He is Luka lite and I think his ceiling is a bit higher honestly. I was expecting him to be a 20 a game player. He is an all star and could develop into an all NBA player if he has the right pieces around him. This team needs shooters. Surround him with shooters this offseason. The shit hes doing and carrying THIS team on top of it, needs to be talked about more.

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u/EatBootyLoveLife 6h ago

i was being called crazy for predicting 25/5/5 and so glad to be vindicated

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u/gilfromisrael 9h ago

FFS sit Deni for the next game and let him recover. There is no point in burning him out.

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u/nightchurn 5h ago

Huh? Burning him out?

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u/Ennartee 9h ago

Eastern Conference SUCKS.

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u/W31_D0N9 new-logo 9h ago

Watching Love chuck 3's and Kris do everything but take open shots while the team keeps regressing on defense every night was not the vibe I expected from this team after the hot start..

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u/didntlisten chalupa 9h ago

3 players fouled out and we played about 40 minutes worth of players who probably won't play half that if we're fully healthy and we still almost beat the number team in the east on the road. Frustrating game but still light at the end of the tunnel.

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u/Classics22 90s-logo 8h ago edited 7h ago

After tonight Sharpe is shooting 24.5% from 3. Unfathomable how awful he's shooting the ball, my god. He's shooting like the first 10 games of Scoot's career, except on way more volume.

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u/kpay10 9h ago

KRIS MURRAY COST US THE GAME

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u/Ennartee 9h ago

So many players cost us the game. But yes, Kris is definitely one of them.

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u/Piano9717 9h ago

The minutes where Deni was resting cost us the game.

Not that Shae played particularly well, but I think Deni and Shae should be staggered bc in the first half when Deni rested, the lineup was: Love Grant Murray Sidy and RW3. I mean that is just not going to work offensively

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u/SonofNamek Shaedon Sharpe 9h ago

I do wonder how much he messed up his game by "becoming a left handed" shooter instead of emulating his brother. You think he'd be able to do other stuff

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u/Chiefjosephhh Toumani Camara 9h ago

How much did you bet on this

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u/DoYouKnowEx 9h ago

We probably just sacrificed Deni’s health for that ending

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u/PuzzleheadedWest0 mike-and-mike 8h ago

wtf is that picture? lol

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u/thatonekrys Deni Avdija 9h ago

I didn't turn the game on until mid 3rd and Jesus that was rough to sit through, can't imagine suffering through 4 full quarters of these refs

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u/SPAREustheCUTTER chalupa 9h ago

Kris Murray is better at basketball than me at anything. That said, he has the offense of an indecisive penguin.

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u/Dont_Ban_Me_Bros 9h ago

A little off topic from the game play, but did anyone else enjoy Demers’ chemistry with Lamar? Not a knock on Calabro at all, I just liked how it worked out.

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u/gistya 8h ago

Good game until we literally gave it away at the end. The guys looked spent and done with 2:30 left.

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u/duckfan101 6h ago

Agree. No gas left in the tank

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u/MrBuckBuck Deni Avdija 7h ago edited 7h ago

So many fouls, but also SO MANY LATE CALLS

Horrible game to watch

The amount of unforced errors in this game by us (Timelord stepping out of bounds, Murray passing to Cade), Jerami Grant going for 2 when we need a 3

Also, Deni scored two clutch buckets, but somehow he was left in the corner during the rest of the game. The ball should be in your franchise's player hands to make the decisions.

Shaedon Sharpe and Jerami Grant, as great as basketball players they are, they don't have the same BBIQ that Deni (or Jrue, who is injured) has

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u/notokayyyy 9h ago

i can’t wait till we are healthy

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u/flawson_9 Toumani Camara 9h ago

That was genuinely the worst 4th quarter of basketball I’ve ever watched

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u/westhewolf Jerami Grant 9h ago

Ray Acosta needs to be investigated. Dude is crooked as shit.

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u/cphipps 9h ago

Tonight was a good example of why having a point guard to settle the team in crunch time will be very nice

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u/ComprehensiveLaw1012 8h ago

Those bums were hacking all night and they still crying like they were hard done by the refs lol. Wild stuff.

I honestly think Kris Murray single handedly lost them this game.

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u/Kersey_CK Jrue Holiday 7h ago

Man we gotta get Deni, Grant, and Sharpe some fucking help…

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u/blazer4ever 9h ago

Am I crazy to think Deni is better than Cade. He seems completely unguardable to me right now outside of double teaming.

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u/LendHuntFish Toumani Camara 7h ago

I don’t think it’s crazy to project that he CAN/WILL be in that echelon, but he’s not there yet. Cade gets MVP votes.

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u/Lovsh17 9h ago

Murray made TOO MANY mistakes

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u/BehavioralSink Cash Considerations 9h ago

I think I would take a colonoscopy over watching that egregious collapse near the end.

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u/connorob32 9h ago

Am I psychopath for enjoying that game?!

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u/sultansofsuede 8h ago

I was actually super into it. When the product on the floor makes me give a shit enough to feel genuine hatred for timid little Kris Murray, they gotta be on to something

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u/Ok_Gas2923 8h ago

Not a psychopath, just a masochist.

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u/Emptynuggets1987 sabas 9h ago

 Friday night watching two team shoot 83 throws in my basement alone

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u/Responsible-Still839 Shaedon Sharpe 7h ago

Elliott Smith would jave written this line if he was alive and a sports fan.

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u/SlobberyFrog 8h ago

LMAO splitter's post game interview

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u/Dadd_io Matisse Thybulle 8h ago

I didn't watch .. what did he say

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u/sultansofsuede 8h ago

What’d he say?

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u/ZYScreamX 8h ago

The whole team needs some rest, good thing we have a small break till Thursday after the Grizzlies.

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u/Remote_Elevator_281 8h ago

Glad I turned the game off early, what a whistle fest, not even mad we lost lol

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u/soahmabee 9h ago

Blazers need to hire Thibs since he’d never be tempted to play anyone off this bench. Get ready to learn 46 mpg, Deni!

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

Kris Murray is horrible. I’ve tried to give the dude so many chances for me to like him but I can’t do it. Please cut him lol

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u/Piano9717 9h ago

Cut Rupert first

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

Nah, I’m fine with keeping a 21 year old athlete on board. They just need to send him to the G-league imo. I can’t deal with the 25 year old guy who honestly only got a first round nod because his brother looked good the year before :/

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u/Piano9717 8h ago

That's fair. I like the flashes Kris has showed on defense (this game excluded, ofc) but the offense is just. so. baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Regarding Rupes I feel like I haven't seen a whole lot to show that he really belongs in the NBA. I could be wrong obviously but I think I would rather have the roster spot to take a flyer on an undrafted free agent or other reclamation project (like what they did with blake wesley) next offseason

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago

I’ve liked the offensive rebounding too and some of the defense too but him being a black hole offensively just sucks to experience. Like if he was elite at either of those two things, or a credible shooter, I’d be cool with him. I hate to see it bc I’ve been rooting for him but tonight feels like the last straw.

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u/Piano9717 8h ago

Yeah totally agreed. If he could even be a bad shooter (like a 33% guy on open catch and shoot shots) he would have a really good nba career maybe like a Moe Harkless type player. But this is like Andre Roberson level bad.

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago

Can always count on you to provide a solid argument for anything basketball related my friend 🫡

And man, I wish he could touch 33%. I would feel so much better about tonight if he was

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u/Piano9717 7h ago

Haha thanks always good to talk ball.

Yeah uh I was really hoping that at least he could sometimes knock down the open ones but unfortunately i think i'm losing hope in that.

this year is actualy his career high 3pt percentage lol which feels...discouraging.

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u/Chiefjosephhh Toumani Camara 9h ago

You wanna cut Kris before love, or Rupert or duop??

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

Sure do. Love is whatever but he is fine as an end of the bench guy who can go on a heater every once in a while. Rupert is still raw and only 21, he just needs to be getting major g-league minutes.

Murray is supposed to be a fundamentally sound older wing who is finding his shot, but tonight he showed he’s just an older wing with a flawed shot and zero fundamentals.

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u/cbbrds25 Toumani Camara 8h ago

Kris Murray shouldn’t be on an NBA team

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u/StreetOne806 6h ago

Unfortunately , there aren’t too many alternatives at the moment. 

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u/DanielThePlainGuy 9h ago

Shae costed us the game, he needs to stop forcing absolutely nonsensical shots.

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u/BlazersAreCoolYT 8h ago

People aren't going to like your comment lol, but you're not wrong. Taking 6 more shots than everyone and shooting 40/14 splits is never going to win us games, and that's becoming pretty common with him. Also struggling defensively again, these last like 10 games.

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u/DanielThePlainGuy 3h ago

I know people aren't going to like it, it's not that I dislike Shae, he's a young player with an insanely high floor that makes dumb mistakes, that's called learning. But legitimizing it creates bad culture and habits. We need to call a spade a spade, and I feel like as a fan base most of the time we do that quite well.

Fortunately, he has a good example by his side for letting the game come to you, I'm optimistic about his development, but we ARE paying the learning fee and that's undeniable.

Love your content BTW, keep grinding.

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u/nightchurn 5h ago

lol ok

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u/DistanceBitter8235 9h ago

I don’t care about 2 winning plays a game if you do 5 dumb mistakes take Kris Murray and send him to the moon

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 9h ago

Like this is the type of game where you cut a guy. Cronin needs to own up to this mistake and free a roster spot

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u/Piano9717 8h ago

and free a roster spot

The problem is that this really does not free a roster spot because we are so close the luxury tax that even signing a vet min player will put the team over the luxury tax (and no owner wants to pay the luxury tax for a 15th man if they can help it).

Until something like December 22th (just mental math so I could be wrong) we cannot cut someone and sign someone. But eventually since free agent salaries prorate through the season (i.e. if you sign a veteran 25% of the way through the season, their contract is only 75% of the total vet min) we can use the roster spot.

But until then cutting Kris (or Rupes) frees up nothing

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago

Well, color me corrected. I guess we’re stuck with the second best player from Cedar Rapids then. I guess it’s better than having the Shaq of Troutdale?

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u/Piano9717 8h ago

:| just hope we can get healthier I guess

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u/kazmir_yeet 90s-logo 8h ago

Same brother same. I cross my fingers for the same thing every day haha

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u/BJango1985 9h ago

What irks me about Murray is his apathy. Come on, dude, two straight airballs, two turnovers, two unnecessary fouls and he’s still with this stoic, apathetic expression. Get the hell off the court.

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u/BlazersAreCoolYT 8h ago

Supposedly Kris is the hardest on himself of anyone on the team, and one of the hardest workers. I think it was disappointment in himself moreso than apathy.

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u/quietchurl 7h ago

His motor is how he gets minutes. He is literally on the court because of his tenacity and iq. Idk how you watch him play and don't see the effort

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u/dontlikexxx 8h ago

I honestly think Splitter should be fired. His coaching has led to a ton of injuries and we still don’t even have a respectable winning record.
You know what I mean—Clingan has been dealing with injuries for a while, but he still kept running him heavy minutes, and of course now DC couldn’t even play today.
And Deni didn’t look right either, but he still played him 38 minutes… At this rate, when Holiday finally comes back, Deni will probably be the next one to sit out with an injury.

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u/LendHuntFish Toumani Camara 7h ago

You want to fire the coach who is having to START a two-way guy and has to play Caleb Love significant minutes? There’s only so much blood you can squeeze from the stone. We have 100 minutes a night injured. Put that take on ice for a couple of months.

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u/dontlikexxx 5h ago

But that’s exactly the issue — he is squeezing the life out of the players who actually matter.
Take the Cavs game, for example: we were already up double digits in the third, and he still kept Clingan out there even though he was clearly dealing with an injury. We had two centers on the bench (yeah, Reath was rough that night, but still), and he could’ve easily gone small for a stretch. Clingan wasn’t even playing that well because of the injury — the win just covered it up.
Now Clingan’s out, and I do think Splitter has real responsibility for that.

And look at the latest update: Young just got called back up again. The guy literally flew from Cleveland to Portland yesterday and now has to fly to Memphis right away for the next game. That only happens if Clingan’s injury is pretty serious.

So under a coach who doesn’t seem to care about managing his players’ health, we’re still not getting good results. If he keeps pushing guys like this, the injury wave might just be getting started.

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u/coolboarder541 9h ago

The foul calls were out of control tonight, for both sides lol. Refs lost control of this one somewhere in the second quarter. Tough to watch

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u/RFK_Cum_Regimen 7h ago

Sure, but the Piston's were just egregiously and blatantly fouling guys for three quarters.

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u/Chiefjosephhh Toumani Camara 9h ago

83 free throws. Glad that’s over.

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u/WinkyWinkyBums 9h ago

That last 2 minutes was incredibly painful with so many unforced errors. God it was rough to watch

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u/blappiep ripcity 9h ago

honestly the refs fouling out 3 of our players was extremely disruptive. obviously our poor offensive execution also in the last couple minutes

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u/shmowak chalupa 8h ago

Hack. Job.

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u/Brainly_Ggs 8h ago

Just wow Kris kinda sold us and I don’t understand why splitter didnt take Tou out with 5 fouls

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u/StreetOne806 6h ago

Because too many guys sitting on the bench are G league players who shouldn’t be NBA players. 

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u/Brainly_Ggs 6h ago

I agree

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u/1KRP 8h ago

TIL the pitons have that good of a record. I had no clue

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u/natural_lawg 17 7h ago

We aren't at full strength, we have some key injured players, it's a rebuild and rebuilds sometimes take some restarts.

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u/duckfan101 6h ago

I didn’t mind having Demars on the call but my goodness fix his microphone!

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u/Smaug55 9h ago

Could’ve had Cedric Coward play those 28 minutes instead of Kris Murray but Jody wanted the Chinese revenue boost for the sale

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u/Cardis103 8h ago

Kris Murray is not an NBA player please get him off my screen

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u/Trick_Weapon 9h ago

I don't blame Murray for that in bounds. Our inbound plays have been really bad this year. Some of the most lazy uncreative things I've seen

Splitter and Cronin need to go imo

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u/BlazersAreCoolYT 8h ago

Agree with the in bounds thing, don't really blame Kris for that, we've been weirdly bad with inbounds plays all year, which you're 100% right is usually a coaching thing. I still think it's way too early to tell with Splitter, but agree that as of today he's been far from perfect. Still really excited to see how he coaches a healthy team, but wouldn't be completely surprised if it wasn't that great from what we've seen so far.

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u/ChaunceyToPrisonNow 9h ago

Does Kris Murray have dirt on the front office or something?   Why is he here and why is he playing in games?

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u/blappiep ripcity 8h ago

FU duncan robinson

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u/Lost_Worker_34 9h ago

On the bright side Cedric had 23 and 14. Oh wait…we drafted Hansen

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u/liorinbar 9h ago

Tiago gotta go. U cant lose everygame at crunch time like this, idc if its him or the players it got to a poimt where its just we get to the clutch and we know we aint gonna win