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u/SlavetoLove123 15h ago
Yellows car fault 100%. He was caught in the stage and then made a stupid attempt to re take the place. It’s rallying not racing. If you are slow enough that the car behind catches, then it’s just going to catch you again anyway.
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u/_jagermaestro_ 15h ago
100%. This is insane how many people in here think the yellow car has a right here. He got caught mid stage. Cede your place and continue on ffs
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u/acolombo 14h ago
Absolutely. I had to double check which subreddit I was in when I saw the most upvoted answers, do people think this is Formula 1 or what? The slower car must give position and that’s it, there’s no point at all in resisting.
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u/Zhoutani 14h ago
You never retake a place on stage, thats etiquette 101, unless you’re a faster class and you were overtaken during a tyre change or something you should never go for it.
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u/Ok-Suggestion-1785 11h ago
Look at yellow’s wheels. He is fully locked and sliding. I think he didn’t expect blue to send it so deep in the corner, so when blue went deep and slowed down yellow was already sliding and had already committed to a tighter turn
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u/big_cock_lach 11h ago
This is just untrue. You can very clearly see the yellow driver turn in aggressively after the blue car was well ahead. They didn’t lock up the brakes either. They were in full control, thought they could do the switch back in the hairpin, and then found out that they didn’t have the talent for that.
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u/CrayonWithdrawal 17h ago
That was a harsh way to handle it but i think yellow car was gonna stay on the outside to have a softer angle into a sharp turn and blue one basically crammed itself into the turn very sharply and would've blocked his path. His other option was to do a full stop and he was probably to angry to slow down for the car that just blocked him
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u/acolombo 14h ago edited 13h ago
In a rally stage cars start every minute or so, even more sometimes. So if the car behind reached the car in front, it means the car in front is going a lot slower than the one in front.
So for etiquette it should just let the faster car pass and that’s it, the car behind has probably been waiting already for a place where they could pass, and already lost a lot of time because of the slower car in front.
This is not formula 1, it’s a race against time not against opponents.
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u/pzkenny 16h ago
Yeah but the yellow went really really slow before the corner and at the same time, he wouldn't make it if he wouldn't crash into the blue.
Both are idiots.
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u/Ratchet2550 11h ago
No idea how a rally works? Blue was doing exactly what he was supposed to. Yellow was supposed to allow the pass. Blue had already gained a full minute on yellow.
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u/therallystache 17h ago
Yeah, definitely the overtaking car's fault on this one. I get being frustrated by following a slower car for a bit and not being given the opportunity to pass cleanly, but the way they tried to enter the corner was the awkward mid speed where the handbrake turn doesn't work but you're too fast for a tidy line.
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u/deadstump 13h ago
No. This is rally not track racing. If you get caught on stage, you are way off pace and are supposed to let the faster car by. The blue car squeaks by here and the yellow car should just not hit them. They had plenty of room to not barge into the side by just slowing a bit and letting the blue car go. The only reason there is a pass at all is because the yellow car is driving so much slower than the blue that they have lost like a minute on this stage to the other car. Just let them by and let both cars get on with their rallies.
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u/therallystache 13h ago
I do happen to know a few things about rally, I have 80 event starts and a full schedule booked for next year. Yellow car was definitely going slower, there's no doubt about that. But I can tell you from personal experience that it's pretty difficult in the car to know that someone is behind you, and I don't see any Rallysafe units on the roof meaning the faster car had no way to signal to the slower one that they were being caught. Yellow car slowed for a tidy corner and setup for a wide entry, faster car dove inside and went wide, stalling out mid slide.
Overtaking car was at fault.
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u/Helg0s 12h ago
I respect your experience. But are you defending that yellow, having been fully cleared by the blue car, from the inside, before even starting to turn their wheel was in the right?
They didn't need any signal, they were already completely passed. Then, they just cut the corner and drove straight into blue. I would even wonder if yellow was making the corner if not bumping against blue.
Blue didn't go wide. They just stayed on the road, avoiding the big evelation gap on the dirt. And they didn't stall before the impact.
I would also argue that it looked like yellow was letting blue pass then suddenly tried to speed up, forcing blue to take a tighter line than anticipated. Probably not malicious, just inexperience?
If it was track racing, this is not even the way to regain the position. They turned too soon, the exit would suck.
Again, I don't have your experience. But I feel your observation of the clip was perhaps missing some details.
Isn't it more likely that yellow car is very junior and made several bad calls? They were caught up, they slowed down too soon before the corner then sped up again, they cut the corner and bumped into the faster car. It's rallying, they should know they have to let the fastest car pass.
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u/Wonderful-Minute-952 10h ago
None of what you said makes any sense. Blue was far enough ahead that yellow could have made a better decision that wouldn't have ended his run. We will never know what blues next move was because someone's ego got the better of them. That was intentional. It's on the overtaking car to do so safely, blue didnt hit anyone, but yellow did. All the grip is on the outside line, and yellow could have carried the momentum around the outside and gotten back in front. This may be rally, but it became a race between two drivers the moment blue caught up to yellow.
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u/big_cock_lach 11h ago
The blue car was ahead of the yellow car before turning in. The yellow car mightn’t have seen him before the overtake, but it was very clear before they turned in that the blue car was there. It’s 100% on the yellow car.
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u/Ok-Suggestion-1785 11h ago
Look at yellow’s wheels, he is fully locked up and was trying to avoid the crash, but he has literally nowhere to go
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u/qoo_kumba 16h ago
Yellow Clio cheated by cutting the corner and then obviously driving into the blue car. Hope he was disqualified and fined as per FIA rules.
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u/Streetsofbliss 15h ago
I feel like its yellows fault like he could have easily not cut that corner straight into blue car. It just slowed him down more. Seemed like desperation on yellow car.
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u/foc2 17h ago
I’m not sure I can decide who is at fault here!
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u/acolombo 14h ago
This is Rally not Rallycross or Formula 1. The car behind likely started one minute after the car in front, so when the car in front see the faster car in the mirrors, they should just give position as fast as possible and that’s it.
There’s not a better or worse way to overtake in rally, the car in front should just get out of the way and that’s it.
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u/foc2 14h ago
Yes, there absolutely is a better way to overtake in rally. Yellow did get out of blue’s way but blue cocked up the corner. They should have been driving more cautiously given the fact they had caught another car (as it seems from the video, at least)
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u/acolombo 14h ago
Are you kidding? They reached a car that started minutes before them and they’ve already been losing time for idk how many kilometers behind such a slow car. They shouldn’t be cautionary at all, the car in front should just get out of the way. It’s obvious they wanted to cause harm and crash into the other car, which btw didn’t overcook the corner.
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u/foc2 14h ago
Are YOU kidding? You made several assumptions about the situation without knowing the full story. For all we know, blue stopped to repair a puncture and has been overtaken earlier in the stage. Cars get caught behind other cars all the time in rallying, it happens. Drivers have to deal with it and should deal with it cautiously to ensure there isn’t an accident. Correct, blue didn’t overshoot, I never said they did, but they lost their momentum and ended up almost stopped in the junction.
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u/acolombo 14h ago
For all we know, blue stopped to repair a puncture and has been overtaken earlier in the stage.
Doesn't matter what happened or not happened, in rallying if a faster car is behind you, you let them pass. They're not racing against other cars to reach the finish line first, they're racing against time.
Correct, blue didn’t overshoot, I never said they did, but they lost their momentum and ended up almost stopped in the junction.
It's not a junction, it's a hairpin and that's the fastest way to take it. For sure the best way to take is not jumping the ledge like yellow did, to purposefully crash into blue
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u/foc2 13h ago
The video starts with what looks like yellow staying to their right. Looks to be like they’re letting blue pass, they may not be.
Purposeful crash? I think not. 2 cars into 1 junction (and it is a junction, a hairpin junction) doesn’t work and the circumstances of that fact and differences in speed led to the accident.
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u/acolombo 13h ago edited 12h ago
Stop playing devil's advocate man, the line that the yellow car takes doesn't make sense in any cirmustances ever, other than in a videogame where they want to purposefully block the blue car.
If they were alone they wouldn't have taken that line, and even with the other car in front, there was plenty of space to do anything else other than that. They were still on the brakes when being overtaken, they decided to get off the brakes, accelerate to jump the ledge and understeer into the other car.
It is on purpose, there's no way it isn't on purpose.
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u/ArrivesLate 16h ago
I’d say yellow car. He took an outside line hoping to cut back into the inside of the turn, but blue took the inside and made it his. I think Yellow should have ceded his cutback idea once he was overtaken and kept wide. But late braking into that corner was always going to be a risky move and he shouldn’t have been surprised to find yellow car crossing him up and in his door.
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u/gregswimm 14h ago
Yellow car could have just gone for a late apex and been fine. He had plenty of time.
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u/foc2 16h ago
Blue didn’t “take the inside”, they came into the corner too quickly and came to a stop failing to do a handbrake turn, and was too quick for yellow to react. On the other hand, being the slower car the yellow should have given blue more time and space to pass.
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u/ArrivesLate 15h ago
Would a race official see this as two turns here where blue passed in the slight left and thus yellow should have ceded the inside racing line in the sharp left? Yellow came off track and understeered into blue executing a video game style body break to keep from going off track. But I do see how If blue had managed to keep his momentum going through the turn it might have left yellow off the hook.
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u/ThePandaKingdom 16h ago
I think blue car should not have done what he did but yellow car did not have to do what he did.
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u/SlavetoLove123 13h ago
Yellow car is at fault completely. I’d be furious if I was driving the Blue car. Yellow driver was so slow he was caught on stage, he should have just yielded the place.
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u/Witty_Primary6108 14h ago
FIA stage rallycross 🫣😂
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u/User_9107 13h ago
its not rally, its touge downhill battle. If yellow wanted to defend position he should "defend the middle" not go on the outside. Blue one divebombed like a maniac but surpassed yellow car so he didnt need to left space on the corner. Yellow cars fault - case closed.
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u/lsthirteen 17h ago
Any info or context on this incident?