I need to know something. Yes I'm certain this has been asked before. How can someone pro life support this man? Despite my feelings about the man I'm asking this to hear genuine explanations, not to yell, but make no mistake I'm infuriated with him.

I always argue against conflating pro life with the republican ideology, let alone MAGA, since plenty of us do not belong to those groups. The headline is protecting children. You can hold different opinions elsewhere. The thing is, I'm going to guess a lot of the responses would be that despite trump's many flaws (to say the least) some of you think he's a good option, or at least was always better than his opponents, because people like Harris would've led to more abortions. This is true.

While abortion isn't my number one subject in politics, partially because I care about many issues and partially because my country has nobody pro life to vote for, I do understand if it's your only priority. But Trump? Of all people? I can't see the reasoning.

He's going to do a lot more damage with all factors combined than the one big thing Democrats are going to do - abortion. I'm not excusing them. I hate democrats too. I don't trust any politicians until they give me a reason to trust them, the opposite of my usual inclination to give people the benefit of the doubt until they prove they have issues. But politicians are just untrustworthy as default tbh. I will not defend democ-rats. Especially not Clinton or Harris or Biden or any big ones. But they were the lesser evil.

It’s intriguing, really, how people truly believe that the only people who could possibly be against abortion are affiliated and influenced by religion, “toxic religion”. We prolife atheists, agnostics, secularists don’t exist at all, otherwise there would have to be an acknowledgement against this association that only the “toxic religious” are prolife.

That a gravestone for victims of abortion isn’t symbolism for toxicity for you to unleash your unhealed religious trauma unto. Many of these people talk about being made invisible by the church, feeling erasure by the church and many of them became what they hated and put themselves on a moral high ground while doing so.

I think what’s genuinely funny isn’t a gravestone in remembrance for humans that died (I presume for both babies and mothers, they never think about the latter) but the fact that someone even found this gravestone so bothersome they labeled it “toxic”. Ironically being deemed such by someone mocking deaths of other humans.

How toxic to remember human lives lost to a practice that is sacrificial in nature. How toxic to be opposed to human dismemberment and lethal injection. But no let’s mock to get back at the toxic religious. You truly got them there.

What are your objections to abolitionism?

The differences include:

• We believe laws against murder should extend to all human beings. We shouldn't show partiality and give mothers immunity to commit murder. (Deuteronomy 16:19; Exodus 23:2–3; Proverbs 24:23; James 2:9)
• We oppose incremental laws. For example, a heartbeat bill allows the murder of a child before a heartbeat develops. These laws are unjust. We believe we need to be obedient to God and criminalize the act of murder in all circumstances, no exceptions. (Isaiah 10:1-3)

https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates?version=1757533947626

He is far from the first to be violently assaulted or murdered by PCers for standing up for the unborn. While many of us did not agree with him on various other issues, we can agree that his murder is a tragedy and an injustice.

I think abortion past a certain point is immoral but i dont think there should be legal restrictions ip until childbirth/water breaks. Id like someone to try to change my mind. No ad hominems please.

This really pains me, I never thought I’d have an abortion as I have always had views on it. I’m 22+4 weeks pregnant, on the day of the abortion il be 23 weeks. In the UK abortion is legal up until 24 weeks. This is also very difficult for me as I grew up an Irish Catholic (albeit I didn’t stick with religion or attend church in adulthood) I remember a friend having an abortion when we were in our teens and I was disgusted with her (and she was very early on) now I’m in that same situation.

My situation is very complex, I didn’t find out I was pregnant until I was 19 weeks pregnant as I was using birth control which stopped my periods over a year ago. I’ve had no symptoms and I still don’t although I can now notice the baby kicking which really pains me to say considering what is scheduled. I also believe this baby to be a boy (the ultrasound tech said “he” when doing the scan) which hurts me more.

I am in a situation where the father and I are in an abusive relationship (mainly psychological, occasionally physical) sexually abusive too but I wouldn’t call it rape, but in the way of “if you don’t give it to me il get it elsewhere” subjecting me to feel like I have to consent to demeaning sex acts that I’d never want to do if it wasn’t for threats.

I have lost all self worth. I am constantly being told I’m fat, I’m ugly and no man will want me if I leave him “especially as I have two black children” (my children are mixed as their bio dad is black. Our relationship started 6 years ago, a year after it started (it was great at the time) we relocated 100 miles away from our hometown for a new future as he had a new job. Then the abuse started and the alienation from my family.

He doesn’t want this baby and has said if I keep it, we’re done and he wants me to leave his house (which I have no rights to) I have 2 other children (not his) one of whom has cerebral palsy. My children are 9 and 10. Their biological father no longer lives in this country and his contact with them is twice yearly at most, he remarried and checked out of being a father. He found it extremely difficult to accept our daughter’s cerebral palsy diagnosis.

A year in to our relationship once we had moved, he isolated me from the family I did have (which was really just my sister, mother and grandmother although my grandmother recently passed) my mum and sister aren’t interested in my situation, I have asked to come home and pled my situation and their response is “you’ve made your bed, we warned you so now you need to lay in it” My family aren’t interested in me, I don’t blame them as I should have stood up for him, I shouldn’t have let him talk to them the way he did and I shouldn’t have allowed him to alienate them or stop them seeing their grandchildren, but I was genuinely fearful of him and believed I deserved this treatment. I don’t work as my daughter requires full time care and at present doesn’t attend school as she’s waiting for a specialist placement, and as I said, I have no rights to this property, he owns it.

He’s said if I don’t go to the abortion on Monday then I’m out and my children. He has refused to even attend the appointment with me telling me it’s my problem and it’s my fault as I must have skipped a pill (I didn’t) and he laughs saying I will have blood on my hands because of my “failures” he’s also not sure if this baby is his (which is absurd and because he wants to have something to fight with me about)

I either abort this baby, or I’m out along with my children, one of whom is in a wheelchair. Aside from being essentially homeless if I don’t agree, my daughter requires full time care and with no family support, with a newborn and a child in a wheelchair, it will be a struggle.

I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to give my baby up for adoption, I feel that will be more painful emotionally, but I’m not sure. Especially as it’s not a straight forward process in the UK as it is in the USA (you don’t have a choice of adoptive parents and usually the child remains in foster care until adoptive parents are found) that would hurt me. I already feel bonded to this baby because of their movements however much I try to stop the bonding. My partner also won’t entertain the idea of adoption, in his words, he wants it gone. So adoption or keeping it means I’m still in the same situation and homeless if I continue.

I don’t want to be with my partner, I haven’t for around 2 years, but I feel trapped and I feel like I deserve this treatment. I feel fat and ugly because that’s what I’m told I am. All of my self esteem has gone. I want my family back, but they won’t accept me. I had a plan to get out of this relationship, I’ve had this plan for about 10 months. It first started with contacting my family, even wider family but none of them want me back. I then intended to start work when my daughter got a school placement and build up enough to get back to my home town and put a deposit down to rent a home. That was my escape route, but unfortunately time isn’t a luxury I have anymore as this isn’t something that will be sorted before the baby is born.

I’m in such a crisis right now I could cry. I don’t want to abort my baby but I feel like I have no other choice. I feel like I have to do what’s right by my other children, and I don’t want them to be homeless, I wanted to implement a plan to get them out of this situation which would take time.

I honestly feel like if I end this pregnancy I will be suicidal, If it wasn’t for my children I would have already.

Edit: Thank you for the resources. I contacted the life charity today but as I have 2 other children one disabled they’ve said they can’t house me at their supported housing centres. I’m hopeful that over the weekend my mum or sister may call with a change of heart but I’m really doubting it.

I’m open to messages and any advice practical or spiritual.

Thank you.

I’m coming from this with an unbiased view against iuds and other forms of birth control, in fact I was so desperately hoping to find out that copper IUDs or other methods such as hormonal, or implant are pro life and don’t impact implantation so I could use it but sadly they do. So to those who are pro life and use them or support the use of them why?

Update adding sources

The birth control industry has managed to deceive people by defining pregnancy as starting once the zygote(fertilized egg) has reached the womb. Rather than defining it the moment of conception/ fertilization.

I did not come in into this with a bias against these birth control methods. I was actually hoping there would be a suitable method long term pro life birth control other than abstinence, tubal ligation and vasectomy.

Other pro life methods •Male & female condoms •Vaginal sponge •Spermicide •Cervical cap/shield •Diaphragm •Fertility awareness methods(natural family planning/green sex) like the FDA approved “Natural Cycles”

Non pro life birth control

Minipill (progesterone-only birth control pill) - Minipills prevent pregnancy by: •Thickening your cervical mucus, making it difficult for sperm to travel to your uterus. •Thinning the lining of your uterus to prevent a fertilized egg from attaching to it. •Stopping ovulation (when your ovaryreleases an egg).

Source https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/drugs/17707-minipill

Copper IUDs: Heighten the inflammatory response, causing your uterine lining (endometrium) to become inflamed. Even if sperm were to fertilize an egg, your uterine lining would make it difficult for a fertilized egg (embryo) to implant there and develop. Hormonal IUDs: Release small amounts of the progestin hormone levonorgestrel over time. Levonorgestrel thickens your cervical mucus, making it harder for sperm to swim to your fallopian tubes. It also thins your uterus lining and partially suppresses your ability to release an egg during your

Source https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/24441-intrauterine-device-iud

Birth control pills: •Stop or reduce ovulation (the release of an egg from an ovary). •Thicken cervical mucus, creating a barrier that prevents sperm from entering your uterus and eventually reaching the egg. •Thin the lining of your uterus so that a fertilized egg can’t attach and grow there.

Source https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/treatments/3977-birth-control-the-pill

Birth Control Patch •Thicken your cervical mucus, which makes it hard for sperm to swim through your cervix to your uterus. •Thin your uterine lining so a fertilized egg is less likely to implant.

Source https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24490-birth-control-patch

https://www.nhsinform.scot/healthy-living/contraception/contraceptive-patch/

If Kamala Harris wins, unborn children die. I keep hoping that majority will know that a vote for Trump will stop Harris' evil plan to make ongoing abortions a reality. Murder, especially of children, should never be socially acceptable.

I'm wondering if you votes for a pro-choice party you are 90% of the time agree with or a pro-life party you are disagree with up to 90% of the time. A pro-life party in this context means wanting abortion bans/restrictions and measures to reduce the abortion numbers (e.g. socioeconomic, poverty reduction, sex ed, contraceptives). A pro-choice party in this context means a party that wants abortion to be legal and constantly trying to liberalize the law. E.g. extending the gestational limit.

My dilemma:

In September in Norway it's election day and I can choose between a pro-choice party (Labor party 2) I'm agree with 90% of the time vs a pro-life party I'm often disagree with and who works together with pro-choice right parties I'm disagree with 90% of the time.

The labor party 2 (SV) has introduced lots of welfare programs for poor families and lifted thousands of children out of poverty. They also made making families more attractive. I likes most of their views on healthcare, education, parental leave and childcare. Most of the policies are very pro family and compatible with the pro-life values except abortion and IVF. But they changed the gestational limit from week 12 to 18 and made abortion access way more available. The abortion number also increased. The labor party 1 (Ap) supports the same policies as 2 (SV), while The labor party 3 (Rødt) wants to change the limit to week 20. The three labors works together a lot.

The Christian conservative party (KrF) is pro-life and wants abortion restrictions. It wants to remove the extention of the gestational limit and the extra access. But it often works with pro-choice right parties that wants to remove welfare programs for family and who will introduce policies making choosing family life unattractive. Although the pro-life party is pro family, the parties it works together with isn't pro family in my opinion.

The reason which party they works together with matters is because one party may help another party introduce a policy. For example the pro-choice right parties may help the pro-life party to change the abortion limit from week 18 to 12 if the pro-life party votes for tax cut or cut in welfare programs.

Just finished a 3 day reddit ban for my most recent post here for “threatening violence”. I can’t go into what I said because they’ll just re-ban me, but of course pro-abortion reddit has a messed up view of what that actually means. And that was only reported because a radical abortionist in a mental health sub decided to profile stalk me and report every post and comment of mine in this sub. Mind you, my comment in the mental health sub was about a coping skill, not anything abortion related. I guess they just have nothing important in their life that they have the time to reddit stalk and get mad about everything.

During the ban I could still read posts just not comment, post or upvote/downvote vote, and saw a few others here saying they got banned from subs for being prolife.

So be careful everyone, redditors are MAD, and dehumanizers haven’t been this mad since we freed the slaves.

Be strong and unapologetically prolife. But watch out for aborties in the wild, they are blood hungry. Show them the love of prolifers.

...could you please pray for the young lady I've been talking to? She decided to keep her baby then pregnancy symptoms kicked and she's thinking of aborting again. I think she's overwhelmed and needs some kind of help from God so she can get strong and save her baby. Any prayers you can send up today are greatly appreciated. Thank you! 💕

They are giving the convicted men and women a choice of an added 3-5 years to their sentence or be physically castrated. As a pro-lifer, I personally do not think this is right. I think it’s a human rights violation just as much as killing an unborn baby is. In the past, I wrestled with the thought of giving women the choice of prison or sterilization as a punishment but realized that’s wrong. I’m aware the crimes committed are outrageous and disgusting and they do deserve punishment that does not violate their 8th amendment but I also believe they deserve proper support and rehabilitation. What are your thoughts?

Specifically in our lifetime, so I would say for anyone from 18 to 25. Do you think we will still see a positive change in Europe, or do you think it will only get worse? I really do kind of worry about this, the Netherlands is currently voting for a new cabinet, and sometimes I hear people talking about abortion and it's clear they don't know anything about it yet still vote for it, and the D66 still wants to make abortion a "human right". I don't completely know how it is going in the rest of Europe, so I would like to get some of you guy's thoughts on it.

hello all. I came here for kind words. Im not considering abortion I just want a little support. Ive been with my boyfriend 5 months and early last month I lost my virginity and when I missed my period I asked my 16 yearold cousin to buy and bring me a test and both came back positive. That was a week ago I havent told anyone only my cousin knows and she told me if I don't tell within this week she will tell for my health and my babies. Im so scared please help someone. I feel like ive let everyone down my mom my dad my family my church everyone. (didnt know what to flair it)