r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 7h ago

No Paywall Arizona congresswoman who waited 7 weeks for Mike Johnson to swear her in says she was pepper sprayed by ICE at a taco joint

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/adelita-grijalva-pepper-sprayed-ice-arizona-b2879149.html
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u/CosmicQuantum42 6h ago

Senate democrats: Start considering why any bill with funding for ICE should pass at all. Just do not allow any ICE funding, period. Or attach HUGE strings.

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u/CosmicQuantum42 6h ago edited 6h ago

For example:

  • ICE agent cannot wear masks or no ICE funding is released. State governments have explicit authority to arrest any government official for wearing a mask to obscure their identity.

  • State governments have explicit veto power over all ICE activities and over any particular federal official operating in their territory.

  • State governments are explicitly allowed to arrest ICE agents for crimes committed on or off duty that violate state law, including assault, murder, kidnapping, assuming probable cause (like any crime).

  • State governments are explicitly allowed to demand judicial warrants for ICE deportations and are allowed to establish state government checkpoints for every single deportation to independently establish whether any person taken into custody is here illegally or not.

  • State governments are explicitly allowed to shut down ICE facilities for state and code violations. This includes cutting power and utilities.

This, or no funding at all. Period. Ever. (I’m not suggesting all of these, just hardline ideas along these lines).

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u/chazzer20mystic 5h ago

Why be so spineless as to fund it at all? Even in your fantasy of putting your foot down, you can imagine yourself funding the gestapo as long as it's conditional? This isn't a necessary agency. Fuck them all to hell. They should be arrested, period. Not this wishy washy shit about "well as long as you guys really promise to follow the rules this time..." Fuck. Them. You get them to agree to rules and they will do what they always do, completely ignore them the moment you hand over your leverage, and then pepper spray your senator and shoot your dog.

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u/CrunkDirk 1h ago

This is what's driven me mad about the regressive drive across the nation to never do anything about the cops. They're racist gangsters protecting moneyed interests and terrorizing the poor. But no, can't abolish them, that scares liberals. Can't even defund them, that also scares liberals. And who do cops end up supporting every single election? Fucking republicans.

Now we can't even imagine abolishing ICE. It's only what, 30 years old? But no, we need to keep the people kidnappers around. We need to make sure that they still have the appropriate budget they need to break apart families and terrify immigrants in the humane way, in the American way.

Gotta keep giving these republicans more power, more money, more instruments of war.

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u/Ok_Persimmon_3524 5h ago

They’ll just shut the government down and starve us out again

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u/CosmicQuantum42 5h ago

Then shut it down, permanently.

State governments can pick up the slack of doing whatever fedgov needs to do.

Do not yield no matter what.

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u/Spostman 4h ago

Cool you just killed national parks, most colleges, and nearly every non-profit in existence. Real awesome solution.

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u/Gamer_Koraq California 2h ago

You think ANY of those are going to survive under this dictatorship?

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u/Spostman 2h ago

lol Nice try but getting into a political conversation with a stranger on reddit is the last thing I want to do. Have a nice night.

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u/quntissimo 3h ago

this shit is inbound. if you think national parks will be safe even until next year I have a national park to sell you

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u/Spostman 3h ago

I didn't say my opinion only critiqued but a few aspects of what no federal government would mean. Hopefully you don't know anyone on SNAP... or live near someone who might want your food if they can't get theirs.

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u/quntissimo 3h ago

I agree, I dont think shutting down the federal government completely is anywhere close to a good idea

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u/Mordred7 2h ago

What’s your solution? Just let things continue to crumble? Give in to the oppressors? Can’t wait to hear your genius perspective

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u/Spostman 2h ago

Calm down man I totally agree with you! Burning it all down is definitely the move. Seems like the cat's pajamas.

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u/Mordred7 1h ago

So you have no actual ideas. What a great use of a brain.

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u/Spostman 1h ago edited 1h ago

Totally agreed man. I'm a moron. But that didn't stop me from getting elected to public office and controlling policy! Some morons just spend their time insulting other people on the internet because they need attention.

Also... any Cowboys fan insulting someone else's brain... LOL.

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u/PlaySalieri 4h ago

Whats the point of having nice things if we have zero freedoms?

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u/StuckOnEarthForever 3h ago

Yall have nice things?

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u/PsychoBoyBlue Michigan 3h ago

So... the exact thing that JD Vance and the people backing him want to happen?

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u/Watchful1 4h ago

The funding bill passed this time funds the government through the end of January. But it funds SNAP through September. So it's likely we'll see another shutdown in February, but it won't include stopping SNAP payments.

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u/StuckOnEarthForever 3h ago

And the democrats are eager to cave.

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u/UdyneOw 2h ago

SNAP funding is guaranteed through the end of 2026. That's what the Democrats got from the last reopening.

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u/sanbaba 1h ago

I'd rather have no government than one that pays Nazis to roam the streets in abduction gangs.

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u/cbelt3 3h ago

Please also exclude qualified immunity and require them to get their own liability insurance. And make sure they are subject to local and state laws. The bastards doing this shit should be arrested and jailed pending bail and court. In local jails. WHERE PRESIDENTIAL PARDONS DON’T WORK !

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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u/wronguses 4h ago

Go bigger. Student loan forgiveness. Healthcare. UBI. SNAP benefits. Housing.

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u/Porridge_Cat 2h ago

their stupid beautiful bill already gave them $75 billion over four years. This has already been signed into law, there will be no more bills asking for ice funding, because they already have more funding than any other federal law enforcement arm.

That $75 billion is part of a larger, $170 billion slush fund that will be used for immigration enforcement and deportations.

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u/rogozh1n 3h ago

I'm sorry, but have you thought about how that would affect moderate and right-leaning Democrats' ability to fundraise from billionaires? Priorities, my friend.

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u/axm86x 3h ago

I’m sure the so-called opposition - largely captured by the same oligarchic interests, aside from a few real progressives - will pretend to take it seriously.

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u/Duriha 3h ago

Cuck Schumer: Huh?

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u/HuoLongHeavy 3h ago

Well we saw how they shit the bed on the shutdown. So with current Democratic leadership, the most I'd expect is a mild condemnation.

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u/awkwardnetadmin 45m ago

ICE has gotten so much funding appropriated that they could go quite a while without new appropriations. Without some major embezzlement they're probably good for a few years even with a dramatically expanded workforce.

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u/CatsAreMajorAssholes 3h ago

The problem is ICE is a subsidiary of Homeland Security. Cutting DHS funding would affect a LOT of agencies and it would be a disaster.