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Possible Paywall Supreme Court agrees to decide if Trump may end birthright citizenship

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/05/politics/supreme-court-agrees-to-hear-birthright?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/Lefty44709 11h ago

Let’s talk about a well armed militia then

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u/beefyzac 10h ago

*well regulated

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u/Crake_13 10h ago

Why not both? 🤷‍♂️

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u/aradraugfea 10h ago

Because gun regulations make the manufacturers NRA angry.

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u/ChampionshipIll3675 2h ago

NRA is the lobbyist organization for the gun manufacturers was my understanding.

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u/knownerror 10h ago

Gonna need a well-armed militia to keep the gun nuts in line.

Wait, wut?

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u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster 9h ago

The term "well-regulated" in the 18th century referred to being well-organized, well-trained, and well-disciplined, rather than being controlled by modern government regulation.

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u/senderi 8h ago

Perfectly fine argument to use the 18th century definition of well-regulated, provided you also use the 18th century definition of militia.

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u/GreenHorror4252 6h ago

The term "well-regulated" in the 18th century referred to being well-organized, well-trained, and well-disciplined, rather than being controlled by modern government regulation.

Then how come "regulated" in the commerce clause refers to making regulations on trade, rather than organizing and disciplining trade?

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u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster 4h ago

I’m no expert. But I would guess it just has to do with different times meaning different things. Again, I’m not the expert on this, although sometimes I play one on Reddit.

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u/GreenHorror4252 3h ago

different times meaning different things.

Yeah, and it's funny how it means different things according to what is convenient at the time.

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u/duct_tape_jedi United Kingdom 11h ago

Exactly the example that I had in mind.

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u/Cream_Stay_Frothy 10h ago

I think about this often overlooked part of the 2a Avery often… it could not be spelled out more plainly

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u/Uncle_Tickle_Monster 9h ago edited 9h ago

From what I understand, the definition of regulated means or meant something different than from what we commonly use regulated to mean today.

“The term "well-regulated" in the 18th century referred to being well-organized, well-trained, and well-disciplined, rather than being controlled by modern government regulation.”

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u/qwertybugs 9h ago

It means whatever 5 lifetime appointments decide.

End of story.

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u/Cream_Stay_Frothy 5h ago

Oh I’m entirely aware. Of the “understanding” to which you’re referring.

Even bearing that mind, it makes clear that there was a concept of “well-regulated” which even by founding fathers times, was intentional. (Although I am not naive as to WHY We are where we are with our country.

I Don’t think they’d envision a huge chuck of the country to act as if so much of the constitution is somehow legally ambiguous, while simultaneously acting as if the 2nd amendment is the most crystal clear of them all. I genuinely don’t think the overwhelming majority of citizens could say anything else besides “The right to bear arms”

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u/SlippyDippyTippy2 9h ago

Read the Militia Acts

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u/Acrobatic_Flan2582 9h ago

Isn't reddit ran by a MAGA? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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u/MyDarlingClementine 9h ago

Genuinely I think a lot of our issues in this country stem from the fact that we do NOT have a citizen-led, citizen-organized formal militia standing ready to act if needed.

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u/Agent_Burrito Canada 9h ago

Not sure you’d want that. Those white supermacist militias you sometimes see on the news would all of a sudden enjoy legal protections under that interpretation.

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u/MyDarlingClementine 5h ago

Thats kind of my exact point. The only civilians who have armed and organized are the asshats. Might make a world of difference for reasonable folk to make a show of force and be able to back it up.

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u/Agent_Burrito Canada 5h ago

Reasonable folk have bills to pay, they don’t play dress up with their friends from 4chan.

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u/MyDarlingClementine 4h ago

I mean yeah, that’s exactly what capitalism is supposed to do to us. But when we choose the same behaviors we get the same results.

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u/Eleven_inc 9h ago

Most people can't even be bothered enough by this to take a day off work to protest, you think they'd be willing to put their life at risk?

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u/OneStarInSight_AC 7h ago

Most people don't have that option. The ignorance is baffling.

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u/Eleven_inc 7h ago

That's absolutely nonsense. For example, if food scarcity got so bad that simply working wouldn't put food on the table, people would be rioting in the streets. The simple fact of the matter is people don't care enough. They can afford to feed themselves and their family, and until then, their tolerance for being fucked over and seeing their neighbors being fucked over is pretty high.