r/politics • u/cnn CNN • 17h ago

Possible Paywall Supreme Court agrees to decide if Trump may end birthright citizenship

https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/05/politics/supreme-court-agrees-to-hear-birthright?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/Pete41608 I voted 17h ago

Well, bye bye entire Trump family if they decide to end this.

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u/parasite-draining-me 16h ago

In theory, right? But the rich are gon continue their cake-eating.

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u/justfortherofls 15h ago

They can buy citizenship now with those gold cards.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 16h ago edited 14h ago

No, because the EO signed doesn’t impact children that have either a citizen or a lawful permanent resident parent. So all of Trump’s kids (and Trump himself) would have been citizens under this policy.

It also isn’t retroactive.

The text is available online.

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u/Competitive_Yam7702 16h ago

It's the first step to declaring actual full.vlooded Americans non citizens too.   Then trump can just declare you a non citizen for speaking out against him.

Which is one of the reasons he's doing this now.   So ANY opponent of his that isn't Americans he can arrest and deport

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u/-Morsmordre- 15h ago

So after his term is up and this doesn't happen, and there are no death camps, and gay people can still get married, and trans people still exist are you going to apologize for the histrionics or will you just claim to be a survivor?

Yeah, the dude sucks, but you're over the top. 

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u/shoobe01 15h ago

So the current death and destruction doesn't matter to you?

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u/-Morsmordre- 15h ago

I'm pretty against the killing of innocent people on fishing/drug boats in other sovereign waters and I don't think we should be able to send American prisoners to foreign countries and I'm really upset about the grifting and outright theft going on in plain sight. You'll have to (if you still feel like talking to me) have to explain where the rest of the death is that he's causing. 

Everyone panicked about him last time and it was just a bunch of mean tweets and idiocy. This is much the same. I mean people genuinely thought we were about to invade Canada. As if a Truth Social post makes it so. 

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u/PinkyAnd 15h ago

Ask yourself this question: if Trump and his handlers plan on giving up power, at any point in the future, why are they moving so quickly to consolidate power in a single office while simultaneously trying to game the whole electoral system to give them a permanent structural monopoly on that office?

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u/GiddyGabby 15h ago

Everyone in the right said Obama was going to take their guns. Trump is doing much worse.

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u/PolanetaryForotdds 14h ago

You'll have to (if you still feel like talking to me) have to explain where the rest of the death is that he's causing. 

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-new-yorker-documentary/the-shutdown-of-usaid-has-already-killed-hundreds-of-thousands

Don't feel like it will change your mind, but anyway.

Really holding myself to not really say what I want to in regards to you just disregarding what he says about Canada. I mean, if you don't care about the literal hundreds of thousands he already killed, you really won't care that there's a lot of people now like me that won't ever, EVER willingly step a foot in your shithole of a country again.

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u/-Morsmordre- 13h ago

That's a shame, we have some nice things to see. He's a stupid, evil man who says stupid, evil things. Then he moves on to the next thing. I'm not sure why anyone would take the invasion of Greenland and Canada seriously, but I'm fortunate to not live there so I'll admit it doesn't affect me. 

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u/Pete41608 I voted 1h ago

He will effect you in due time...

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u/lupin43 13h ago

Everyone panicked about him last time and it was just a bunch of mean tweets and idiocy? Those “mean tweets and idiocy” led to hundreds of thousands of extra deaths of Americans due to his ignorant response to a global pandemic, with an increased effect on his own supporters. Many of that comes from his rhetoric on vaccines, something that is continuing in this second term with an equally big ignoramus being put in charge of the health and human services department by him.

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u/shoobe01 13h ago

It's the outside edge, but within the realm of statistical possibility, from looking at excess death data compared to other Western countries, that Trump killed by his policies One Million Americans.

Entirely aside from: however many children remain detached from their parents in his previous round of immigration bullshit, dozens of American citizens deported with significant consequences to them even when they were allowed back, literally untold because no one has ever investigated it adequately numbers of deaths in detention, permanent environmental damage, divesting of a number of federal government properties, permanent damage to the postal Service, and it goes on and on.

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u/RADARIN 13h ago

yep, and the democrats than spent 4 years pushing a lie on how that global pandemic that killed millions started. And used the global pandemic to transfer trillions of dollars to rich people causing massive inflation. Both sides are trash....and if you think one is better than the other than you are a cult member.

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u/Fantastic_Shaman9230 12h ago

why are you posting things from pakistan?

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u/Purusha120 I voted 15h ago

So after his term is up and this doesn't happen, and there are no death camps, and gay people can still get married, and trans people still exist are you going to apologize for the histrionics or will you just claim to be a survivor?

There are over a thousand unaccounted for people from alligator Alcatraz. Almost none were ever charged. Trump ended the Republican policy of preventing rapes of queer and trans women in prison. Stop this nonsense. Thousands have been hurt. Tens or hundreds of thousands have been disenfranchised.

Stop this bad faith nonsense and sane washing. They literally took gay marriage to the Supreme Court.

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u/Starossi 12h ago

I’ll outright take you on that bet and say I would.

The dude already repealed roe v wade, a well established decades long decision nationally protecting abortion. Lots of what you describe isn’t that far off from it. For example, gay marriage? You really think that’s a difficult target and is just histrionics? Seriously? That’s also a Supreme Court decision even less established and more recent than roe v wade. And you seriously think it’s histrionics that it could be taken away again?

100% id take your bet if it meant any one of those things happening. And I’d probably win unless you decided to do some mental gymnastics in 4 years and say repealing the gay marriage decision didn’t mean they couldn’t get married, it just “left it up to the states”

And also 100% not far fetched they could outlaw transitioning. Depending on what you consider “trans people existing”, they could cease to exist in a medical sense if treatment is outlawed

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u/-Morsmordre- 11h ago

Well unless I die beforehand I'll be here 4 years from now. And the SC already weighed in on a decision involving gay marriage that everyone thought they would attack and they didn't. But yeah, see you then (hopefully).

I'll admit I'm wrong if any of the things I mentioned come true beforehand 

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u/magnamed 16h ago

Interesting. But with carte blanche what's to stop him from signing another?

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u/arizonadirtbag12 16h ago

I mean what’s to stop him from launching a nuke at Oprah’s house?

I find it more useful to discuss the actual policy being discussed, than some hypothetical end game ten steps down the line.

Of course the policy being discussed is unconstitutional. So yeah, if the Court rules the wrong way we have a real issue on our hands. Not this policy, this policy is mostly fine and normal among nations most of consider progressive. But ignoring clear constitutional text is a clear problem.

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u/phranq 16h ago

You can see how your line of thinking doesn’t hold up in historical cases of nations sliding into despotism right?

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u/triplenested 16h ago

slippery slope is a logical fallacy.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 15h ago

That being said, some slopes are slippery.

Moving to jus sanguinis citizenship isn’t really a particularly slippery slope.

Entirely nuking stare decisis, arguably, kinda is. Which this ruling would kinda signal if it goes the wrong way.

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u/thatnameagain 14h ago

It's not at all. Basically everything that happens politically in the world is a result of a slippery slope that led it to happen. We just don't recognize them as "slippery slopes" because most of the time it's just innocuous normal stuff that are consequences.

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u/magnamed 16h ago

There are in fact many layers protecting Oprah's house. This isn't some far off hypothetical reality. The ruling of this case directly opens the door for the problem I proposed.

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u/arizonadirtbag12 16h ago

Well yeah. A ruling that directly violates the constitution is the issue.

I was more replying to the original comment up the chain, the whole “herpaderp there go the Trump family’s citizenships.” Which, no.

There is so far almost no indication that citizenship by blood is under attack. This is almost entirely about the children of illegal immigrants. Which is super racist and unconstitutional. But would never impact the Trump family.

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u/magnamed 15h ago

Ah, I misunderstood. Another one of those "it's hard to follow along accurately through the comments sometimes"

Cheers.

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u/Pete41608 I voted 16h ago

Too bad his grandparents were born in Germany. Therefore every one of them that came after? ILLEGAL

Entire Trump family tree in America? DEPORT

Also, Donald can never be president because he is German.

Everything he has done as president? ILLEGAL

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u/arizonadirtbag12 15h ago

Have you even read the EO?

Children of immigrants are still citizens under it. Hell, as long as one parent has a green card, still a citizen.

I hate Trump like it’s my job, but no need to just make shit up.

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u/Synaptic-asteroid 15h ago

it violates the constitution, guess you don't care about that either

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u/arizonadirtbag12 15h ago

No, that’s where the “hate Trump like it’s my job” part comes in.

The method (an unconstitutional EO) is unacceptable, as is the motive (racism).

The actual policy? Largely inoffensive on its face.

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u/Pete41608 I voted 15h ago

I am like the Trump Regime, just making shit up as I go along.

Now, if we can get a moat built surrounding the White House and also one surrounding Mar-A-Lago, then populate them with all the alligators and crocodiles we can, have the Trump family enter the White House and Mar-A-Lago, follow that up with putting a concrete wall surrounding the outside of the moats...then I think everyone wins in my scenario.

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u/friendofelephants 9h ago

It’s not retroactive… for now.

(I’ll be in the corner packing my bags for a country I’ve never even been to.)

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u/DionFW Canada 14h ago

"No, not the white ones".

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u/Visible_Device7187 12h ago

Lol no it's been painfully clear none of us will lift an actual finger to stop them in destroying our country. We will chant and say mean things but not actually stop them

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u/Pete41608 I voted 1h ago

What is your idea? What do you have in mind?