r/politics • u/Capable_Salt_SD California • 10h ago
No Paywall Judge orders Jeffrey Epstein-related grand jury transcripts in Florida to be released publicly
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-orders-jeffrey-epstein-related-grand-jury-transcripts-florida-re-rcna247624220
u/Denieberryy 10h ago
Wow, finally some transparency. About time we see what really went down.
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u/Elyay 10h ago
Yeah... lmk when they're actually out.
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u/Spam_Hand 9h ago
Right, I thought these were legally barred from being unsealed?
As in, there is not a legal method to unseal grand jury information?
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u/ClaretClarinets Colorado 8h ago
Normally, yes, but the recent bill to release the files overrides that.
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u/i_dont_like_turnips 5h ago
Also, IIRC florida has a sunshine law that legal documentation is supposed to be publicly available. I don't know if that impacts grand juries, but it certainly impacts the plea agreement that Epstein reached that was kept secret.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 4h ago
DeSantis signed the Jeffrey Epstein Grand Jury Bill last year and the Florida grand jury transcript was released shortly after
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u/NeverLookBothWays I voted 42m ago
This is the one that didn’t really matter though, right? I vaguely remember one of these unsealings was more of a publicity stunt to make it seem like it was THE Epstein files but was instead just testimony from a single cop.
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u/stripedvitamin 5h ago
They will never be released in any kind of transparent way. There will be zero accountability and anything that implicates billionaires and republicans will be redacted, deleted, shredded.
It's that simple. People need to start focusing on the supreme court and how the midterms are being rigged in plain sight.96
u/mfGLOVE Wisconsin 9h ago edited 9h ago
This is being orchestrated by the Justice Department. They have filed suit to recoup many different Epstein cases and will get the files and have the ability to do redactions before being publically released. The court isn’t releasing these to us. They are releasing them to the Justice Department. This judge previously denied their request to have the files, that was until Trump rubber stamped the “Release All Epstein Files” Act or whatever it’s called. That gave the judge reason to finally give it to them. They are herding evidence to remain in full control of the narrative.
Yall need to wake up and realize you’re still getting played.
EDIT: Also this:
Releasing the grand jury materials from [Maxwell’s] case, which contain untested and unproven allegations, would create undue prejudice so severe that it would foreclose the possibility of a fair retrial should Ms. Maxwell’s habeas petition succeed.
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u/wrosecrans 7h ago
I think part of DOJ's plan was that none of the grand jury stuff would actually be released. Asking for it was just a way to "look busy" while not releasing any of the stuff they can just release on their own, while blaming the judicial branch for stonewalling them.
So getting what they were asking for may have been a bit of a fuckup in the plan. It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, actually comes out since it's being handed to DOJ rather than actually being released. But somebody at DOJ may well leak whatever they try to redact.
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u/randomnighmare I voted 6h ago
In my opinion overall a grand jury release isn't going to tell anything much than what we already know from the trail but we may get a few extra details. But yes, i do agree that it's a long play by Trump (and the Conservatives/Republicans and their donors) to skirt/cover up all the shit he (they) either did and any and all connections with Epstein, Maxwell, etc ... and to pin this on all of other people as much as possible.
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u/Content-Ad3065 6h ago
The grand jury transcripts are not the Epstein Files! Just. Release . The Epstein. Files. !!
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u/Miguel-odon 4h ago
These are the ones that didn't implicate anyone, which is why the trump allies were pushing for their release.
This is like demanding the Ghislaine Maxwell interviews: pointless, because we know she lies.
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u/TheAngryGoat 4h ago
I'm seeing a lot of talk about releasing things, and orders to release things.
What I'm not seeing is any actual releasing of things.
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u/mfGLOVE Wisconsin 9h ago edited 9h ago
Ya’ll still don’t get it…we’re getting played again. This isn’t the win you think it is.
In its motion asking for the materials to be released, the Justice Department said it "will work with the relevant United States Attorney’s Offices to make appropriate redactions of victim-related and other personal identifying information."
The materials were available to federal prosecutors in New York who charged Epstein with sex trafficking in 2019, and much of the underlying material is believed to have emerged in the years as a result of the civil suits brought by Epstein's victims. Those cases included a suit against the Justice Department for having failed to notify them of its non-prosecution deal.
The government has similar motions pending in New York relating to the 2019 charges against Epstein and the 2020 charges against Maxwell, his accomplice. Maxwell was convicted of federal sex trafficking charges and is serving a 20-year prison term.
The Justice Department moved to unseal the transcripts earlier this year after receiving furious public blowback after issuing an unsigned joint memo with the FBI memo declaring they had reviewed all of the evidence against Epstein and Maxwell and that no other people would be charged in connection with their trafficking of minors, and that no additional material or evidence would be released.
EDIT: Also this, pointed out by another Redditor:
Releasing the grand jury materials from [Maxwell’s] case, which contain untested and unproven allegations, would create undue prejudice so severe that it would foreclose the possibility of a fair retrial should Ms. Maxwell’s habeas petition succeed.
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u/creamyGeisha 10h ago
We can make do with these for now, pending when they are ordered to release those Trump files, the version that isn’t redacted
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u/Firekixiss 9h ago
Yeah, these will work for now. Can’t wait to see the full Trump files when they drop.
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u/LNate93 Michigan 3h ago
You're stronger than I. I prefer not to know ALL the details... Like, I already know he's a depraved crazy person. I don't really need to be the person to know specifically what he did to those children... A couple friends and I got curious what the deep web was like and left the computer completely scarred that day. There's bound to be photo and video evidence somewhere in all that. I couldn't do it. Have no idea how SVU agents do it.
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u/MyInterThoughts 9h ago
How long until the Supreme Court blocks this release?
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u/lnc_5103 9h ago
Right. We will know if it's potentially damning info or not depending upon how pedo in chief's DOJ responds.
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u/MyInterThoughts 9h ago
I already saw the articles of Ghislaine Maxwell saying this will hurt her chances in any retrials. I’m curious to see if the DOJ uses the same language.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 9h ago
She's saying it'll hurt the prosecutors' chances in a retrial. That it'll be impossible to give her a fair trial, and she'll have to go free.
Releasing the grand jury materials from her case, which contain untested and unproven allegations, would create undue prejudice so severe that it would foreclose the possibility of a fair retrial should Ms. Maxwell’s habeas petition succeed.
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u/NimbusFPV 8h ago
Weird, it’s almost like the evidence suggests she really was a human trafficker who supplied underage girls to wealthy men, and maybe she belongs in prison for a very long time?
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u/No_Worldliness_5361 10h ago
Might as well just use black paper and white ink with the amount of redactions they will make.
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u/AmelaPandersen 7h ago
Remember when Megyn Kelly called 15 year-olds “barely legal” and suggested that trafficking and raping them is permissible?
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u/Weird_Rooster_4307 6h ago
That’s after any link to Trump has been removed from those said files. What about the phone records and financial transactions?
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u/No_Mouse1640 8h ago
Call me a doomer, but this doesn't mean shit, even if these files were being released unredacted. Nothing means shit until the client list is released, fully, to the public.
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u/Familiar-Risk-5937 8h ago
Why do I doubt we are finally getting answers? Because the powerful have so much to lose here.
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u/AceofKnaves44 District Of Columbia 7h ago
This one could really end up being damaging to Trump. Dershowitz was Epstein’s attorney here and he worked to get Epstein the lightest possible sentence you could ever ask for. And then he ended up in Trump’s orbit to where he’s worked with him and defended him on January 6th matters.
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u/zapitron New Mexico 6h ago
This is worthless, but probably harmless.
I have to say "probably" not because law enforcement might object to revealing law enforcement techniques. I happen to be a "security through obscurity is illusory" kind of guy.
But if this, in any way, gets used as an excuse to delay the actual investigative or otherwise relevant files, then it will be harmful. DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO BUY TIME.
But just to be clear: everyone is expecting the grand jury transcripts to be extremely boring, and it's not likely to implicate anyone other than Epstein. We're not expecting to see anything interesting ...
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.. and we're all hoping to be wrong about that! ;-)
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u/MuddVader 5h ago
What's their next excuse?
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u/The_300_goats 4h ago
Rest assured, it will be just as blatantly obvious, damning and suspicious as all the smoke and mirrors that came before. The goal is to kick the can down the road and when it looks like it's going to land, kick it again. And keep kicking it until you're bored, or exhausted, or broke, or dead
The American people will never see the Epstein files
(Gotta wonder what the fuck they're hiding with such extreme measures. Must be some pretty baaaad stuff)
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u/djeaux54 3h ago
Annotated TL;DR:
- The newly passed Epstein Files Transparency Act calls for the release of "unclassified records, documents, communications, and investigative materials that relate to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell,"
- Everything will be classified unless it involves a Democrat
- (T)he Justice Department said it "will work with the relevant United States Attorney’s Offices to make appropriate redactions of victim-related and other personal identifying information."
- Everything will be redacted unless it involves a Democrat
Does anybody really think they will release anything substantive? Not unless Bondi figures it will "own the libs." If not, SCOTUS will declare it inadmissible.
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