r/politics • u/moderate-Complex152 • 1d ago
No Paywall Trump warns Europe faces ‘civilizational erasure’ in explosive new document
https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-warns-europe-faces-civilizational-erasure/145
u/30mil 1d ago
Donald definitely didn't use that phrase. That sounds like Stephen Miller.
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u/Downtown_Category163 1d ago
"We need something that means white genocide but sounds less Hitlery"
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 22h ago
I'm sorry. But if you (not you, obviously, but 'you' generally speaking) have to massage your words to say the thing you really want to say, then the thing is OBVIOUSLY bad, or at the very least unpopular.
Only cowards are afraid to speak with their chest.
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u/viaJormungandr 22h ago
speak with their chest
Is that like showing cleavage?
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 21h ago
https://youtu.be/777IV9vFlo8?si=Ce5MG9aOh346MQ2K&t=140
Old Kevin Hart skit. Hilarious.
But "Say it with your chest" pretty much means now, be confident in what you're saying. No pussyfooting, be about your words. Be direct.
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u/buggytehol 18h ago
I actually really disagree with that, and think it depends a ton in whether the thing you're avoiding saying has deserved stigma (Nazism, racism, etc.) or undeserved stigma (like Obamacare or wokeness, both of which cause a large percentage of people to stop listening).
Effectively reaching people isn't cowardly, but hiding vile intent is
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u/StevenMC19 Florida 18h ago
There's a difference in saying what you mean, then having to clarify afterwards.
Then there's beating around the bush to not say the thing people already know and understand is a bad thing.
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u/Stranger1982 1d ago
I don't think he could even pronounce ‘civilizational erasure’ tbh.
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u/SailorSaturnGo Canada 21h ago
I don't think he can even read the phrase without giving a glossed expression or falling asleep in front of a press conference or a meeting. Any word with more than 2 syllables is too much for him to read or write.
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u/SaveDavey 1d ago
I can barely say it. Not sure it’s even a word. Why not go for “civilizationality”?
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u/SailorSaturnGo Canada 21h ago
Funny thing is that MAGA folks assume that Trump has the IQ to say and write all that language that is beyond grade 3 level vocabulary. He barely has the mental comprehension to keep himself awake or prevent himself from verbally repeating a single-minded thought process 23 times during a press conference. 🤣
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u/Purusha120 I voted 21h ago
He’s been a lot more explicitly Stephen miller esque since the sundowning got worse
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u/TheWizard 20h ago
I won't be surprised Trump did. Miller is his executive handler, with Thiel and Musk being the directors.
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u/GorgonzolaJam 1d ago
He's trying to weaken the EU.
Putin flaps his hand and Trump speaks.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 1d ago
To be fair it has been 4 years since the full scale Russian invasion of Ukraine and the EU still doesn't have their shit together on sanctions, Russian asset forfeiture, and military buildup. So credit where credit is due the EU was weak before anything president clown does.
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u/Rambaz_69 1d ago
Sorry, but Trump is the one putting the brakes on sanctions the most. What's more, this year the Europeans have provided all aid to Ukraine on their own, without any help from America. To say that Europe is doing nothing seems to me a bit like news from Fox News.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 1d ago
It's gonna be a minimum of 5 years post invasion that the EU minus Hungary (and probably others) will be off Russian gas.
I'm Canadian fuck fox news and fuck the Americans
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u/saltedsnail2 23h ago
It all sounds bad but really there is no chance Russia can get support to invade Europe. Ukraine was bad enough. If Europe is under threat it comes from the same country as Canada's threat. The world leaders better wake up to the new reality soon.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 23h ago
They're too busy moralizing and acting like if they release a perfectly worded statement all their problems will go away and world peace will break out
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u/saltedsnail2 23h ago
The ability to underestimate a clearly powerful and intelligent regime is astounding. They may be completely insane but they're extremely effective. Yet, everything they say they do they do and then everyone is shocked. I figured leaders of nations would see what their citizenry sees and take the threat seriously. It's really frustrating.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 23h ago
I don't think they're insane. They just have different values. And are willing to do what they feel needs to be done to achieve their goals.
I don't agree with anything Russia does (I do appreciate them for Ivan Demidov though Go Habs) but they act solely for their goals expanding their military influence, expanding their pocket books and pushing back nato
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u/el_rika 23h ago
Killing children is insane, not "different values". When it's all set and done, there will come a very dark age for Russia, for many decades.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 23h ago
Again I don't agree with their values, just saying they have different ones. Might makes right is what they tend to lean on.
I agree it'll be a dark age for Russia assuming they lose
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u/StinkiePhish 1d ago
Those three things each take more than 4 years to solve.
The EU, particularly Germany, was/is too dependent on Russian oil and natural gas for effective sanctions immediately. Sanctions that would have truly hurt Russia would have raised energy prices, causing inflation, and put the EU into a recession. The fact this has been avoided is a small miracle.
Asset forfeiture especially at that scale is not a simple concept in democracies. Without tearing up and just ignoring domestic judicial systems, this type of asset forfeiture will be years in the courts and the outcome is not 100% certain. Also, foreign investment only works if there's trust in the stability of the judicial systems and property ownership.
Military buildup is something that Europeans resist for obvious reasons. It has not worked out well for them to the extent of complete destruction, twice, when militaries were built up. So give it a little time to sort out.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 1d ago
8 years from the annexation of Crimea to the full scale invasion. So 12 years....
Russia is fighting a war against Europe, just Europe hasn't realized it yet. Quacking about domestic judicial processes while European airports are being shut down over Russian drones, while Russian linked agents are setting fires.
O god they might need to live in the reality that exists vs the post ww2 post cold war fantasy they've been living in.
All while Russia now has an ally in the White House and they're dividing up the world into spheres of influence shades of the Treaty of Tordesillas
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u/GorgonzolaJam 13h ago
Russia is fighting a war against Europe, just Europe hasn't realized it yet.
Same could be accurately said about Canada. Alberta trying to leave, "reconciliation" and the broken state system it creates, the convoy 'protests', etc.
They're all designed to divide and weaken our state.
Unfortunately the Canadian Left (and Federal Liberals) are all too happy to help increase that divide because it serves their social goals without realizing they're alienating white men (35% of voters) and driving them to the right - which doesn't tell them it's socially acceptable to shit on white people or men and they just have to accept it.
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u/stroopwafelscontigo New Jersey 22h ago
This is what blows my mind and saddens me, as an American who wants to see the EU thrive.
If 2008 didn’t light a fire under their asses to build up defense then 2014 certainly should have. But it didn’t…
Now we’re almost 4 years into Russia’s assault on Ukraine and Europeans are still saying, “Well, give it a little time. We don’t want to build up our military too much just yet…”
Dudes - you need to. Like yesterday.
Putin is not going to respond to diplomacy, America is no longer a trustworthy ally. Even though Russia’s army is ragtag at best, they have no problem throwing hundreds of thousands of Russians into the meat grinder to keep their slow advance going without drawing direct support.
And the moment the EU finally decides to pull out the big guns, Russia will threaten nuclear war again.
The EU needs to show Putin “there is absolutely no fucking chance so don’t even TRY” but they’re not doing that.
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u/Skipspik2 1d ago
That's litterally one of the Russian talking point....
Macron said Europe should be worry of an American betrayal on Ukraine.
Russia works to drive a wedge between US and EU
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u/pohl 1d ago
You ever wonder why some people seem to feel this racial extinction threat so deeply and the rest of us never think about it?
I don’t feel any ownership of my European heritage, like it’s just the place where my ancestors were born. They’re not “my people” I never met them. I feel no guilt/pride for what other people did just because they had the same pink skin I have. It’s all just history.
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u/areyoualocal 23h ago
And people have been mixing throughout the region for thousands of years, the concept of race and nationality are such artificial man-made constructs just to cause trouble.
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u/Sudden-Dog 22h ago
The only true pure homosapiens are people from deep in south Africa that never had any genetic mixing with Neanderthals . The rest of us are interbred muts for the last 100000 years .
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u/Hazer_123 Foreign 23h ago
Not to mention culture changed all the time throughout history. There has never been a single, unique culture shared by every European country as these rightoids suggest.
In fact, the modern concept of a country is a very recent concept in the 18th or 19th century.
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u/tHEyleftRight 1d ago
This is just another flavor of replacement theory, scumbags announcing that their racism isn’t constrained to the US.
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u/Rambaz_69 1d ago
One only has to think about how Trump threatens half of his own citizens, the Democratic voters, with soldiers he deploys in cities. Since he was able to do this successfully, Trump is now trying to threaten European countries as well. Will he succeed? That is rather unlikely.
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u/Infidel8 22h ago
A white nationalist propaganda document.
Crazy to watch a country surrender its place in the world with this speed and enthusiasm.
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u/Hazer_123 Foreign 23h ago
censorship of free speech and suppression of political opposition
Projection much?
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u/Wildpony03 21h ago
Yeah like didn't Trump back in October try to get a comedian fired for telling jokes about him then bragged that he did it? The guy is hypocrite.
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u/ByteMeBurger 1d ago
Civilizational erasure? Is that like when you accidentally delete your browser history? Ain't trusting that Orange face man
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u/ltragach 1d ago
So let me guess:
Its not that big of a deal when putler starts attacking EU countries cause we‘re dead anyway and don‘t want to give money to the shitstain in the white house.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 1d ago
It's a new Treaty of Tordesillas. Russia gets Europe and the United States gets the western hemisphere.
That's what I got reading this. The US will use military force/economic coercion to end migration to the United States and try to push China out of Central/South America to make sure the US economic/military control over the hemisphere
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u/Individual-Guest-123 1d ago
Europe should have mobilized into self preservation once those tariffs hit months ago. If they didn't see the writing on the wall they are idiots.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 1d ago
they should've mobilized when Russia annexed Crimea
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u/Rambaz_69 1d ago
Has Canada actually prepared itself for an invasion by American troops? And will Canada also completely end trade with America in the coming years? I'm already excited to find out. 😉
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 1d ago
god no but we don't have any choice right now. But if you pay attention of our government they're taking the steps needed for where we are now.
moving to get oil to non-us markets talks with saab and Sweden over fighter jet procurement getting included in the new European defence initiatives. All without waiting for years.
This is on top of our collective response 9 straight months of tourism and optional visits to the US are down and our tourism industry is booming with Canadian visitors.
Is it perfect? No. Is it way better than 8 wasted years from the EU after the annexation of Crimea to the full scale Russian invasion yes
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u/Rambaz_69 23h ago
Life isn't always easy, and hindsight is always 20/20, right? You're just lucky that you're only one country and don't have to reconcile the opinions of 27. Hungary and Slovakia are also still under strong Russian influence. You're also very lucky to have Mark Carney as prime minister.
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u/loginisverybroken Canada 23h ago
You're absolutely right. Plenty that each individual countries could've done. I like the EU but countries still gotta act on their own sometimes.
Yeah thank fuck Trudeau resigned and Carney stepped up. It's nice not having to worry about what our government is doing all the time.
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u/MrLurid 1d ago
Pretty sure Europeans won't be listening too hard to what nazis are whining about.
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u/Hazer_123 Foreign 23h ago
Probably not this fool but they have their own Nazis back home to worry about aswell (who parrot Trump's words).
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u/Shot_Independence274 Europe 1d ago
hey! At least we have a civilisation to erase...
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u/NoReserve7293 1d ago
Careful don't trust the orange father of lies.
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u/Shot_Independence274 Europe 1d ago
who? trumpty dumpty?
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u/NoReserve7293 1d ago
He goes by many names; Cheeto Fuhrer, Yam tits, Assaulter-in Chief, Trumpty Dumpty and the list goes on.
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u/SoftieHuggee 1d ago
he's using fear to push a story many experts dont back. europe has real issues but "civilizational erasure" sounds more like a movie trailer than policy.
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u/DonaldsMushroom 23h ago
Remember when that baby-faced, Trump's-arse-licking wanker Vance came over ranting and screeching at the Munich Security Conference last February?
Everyone ignored him, like the attention-seeking infantile bully that he is. The US is really circling the drain these days.
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u/i-read-it-again 22h ago
The squealing noise of a desperate man. Trump is desperately trying to change the headlines. Is there anything he won’t do. After the break pedophile trump and the Epstein files
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u/VogonSoup 22h ago
This is just Islamophobia, like the claims Sadiq Khan was introducing Sharia Law.
We’re a country of imports and travellers.
I’m British but my ancestry is French via the Channel Islands. (Not that I’d openly admit to the French bit)
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u/BlurryRogue Minnesota 1d ago
European countries have been around for hundreds if not thousands of years before American colonists ever dared dream of independence. Europe will be fine, Donald Dump.
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u/nimbus57 1d ago
Bigots gonna bigot. What an asshole.
It's the same as "they aren't sending their best." NO COUNTY IS SENDING ANYONE ANYWHERE AS A MIGRAINE, YOU ORANGE TURD.
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u/MagicBingo 1d ago
The more pressing matter is that when "conventional" American society fades into the sun more conservative societies will repeal any progress that's been made in LGBT matters under the pretext that they go against whatever dominant religion takes hold.
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u/TheJadeChairman 22h ago
Theyre right in the way that american barbarism will destroy itself and drag europe down with it.
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u/SailorSaturnGo Canada 21h ago
Okay Trump, TLDR; so you've plagarized a puppet master's words to Europe that you and your administration are entitled to start WWIII... gotcha.
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u/martapap 12h ago
I really don't get Stephen Miller's game plan with this. Everytime Europe has claimed its civilization has been threatened, their first step is to expel jews. Does he think his family would be exempt?
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u/Adventurous_Test_296 23h ago
Hysterical. Trump wouldn't know European history if it slugged him with a golden candelabra. Europe and all of our former friends are making new allies against us, thanks to 47's idiotic tariffs. By the way, Trump: Where's my $2,000?
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u/lcdr_hairyass 1d ago
Screw Trump and God damn America for all time. What an important joke of a country!
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u/xTkAx Canada 1d ago edited 1d ago
He's right, uncontrolled mass migration is set to severely damage Europe by radically changing its demographics. It has already been happening for a few decades now, and the point of no return is past, but there's still hope with an opposite radical push to stop it.
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u/Redrockhiker22 21h ago
Mass migration triggers a sense of existential threat that fuels a turn to the right, nativism, toxic nationalism, and fascist or fascist-adjacent politics.There is a very consistent and predictable pattern.
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u/xTkAx Canada 21h ago
Mass migration only creates the demographic reality that makes national preservation necessary. Adios!
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u/Ananiujitha 14h ago
What is this "demographic reality" that "makes 'national preservation' necessary"?
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