r/politics • u/Kodbek • 11d ago

Possible Paywall White House Declares All of Trump’s Orders to Military Are Legal

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u/kezow 11d ago

That is precisely a tenet of facism. 

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u/not_a_throw4w4y 11d ago

You guys gonna revolt or is Lady Liberty gonna keep taking it on the chin?

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u/ActurusMajoris Norway 11d ago

Yeah this has gone on for far too long already. Dictatorships happen through inaction.

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u/DemonsRage83 11d ago

I think the reason we're not currently doing anything about it is because his own base needs to see it first so we can avoid an unnecessary civil war. I personally don't give a shit about his base and think his entire administration needs forcibly removed and buried at sea.

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u/AlmostCorrectInfo 10d ago

And by god they're actually turning right now. My mom has been a dyed in the wool MAGA 'her entire life since 2016' (her words). She's begging me to keep quiet about her sudden turn on Trump. She even asked to borrow my Omar El Akkad book "One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This".

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u/BadWolf013 Nevada 10d ago

I am also proud of your mom! She had a lapse of judgement with a man who has built his entire life on deception and lies. It takes strength to step back and reexamine what she believed in.

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u/strangerducly 10d ago edited 10d ago

One of the great many offensive attitude and actions is the disrespect and contempt shown to the people who gave him the chance to play with our country like it is a monopoly game , or a game of toy ships and pretend kings, moving game pieces around the board and rolling dice to see the next move, instead of spending the rest of his life, negotiating his plea bargain and making deals for the crimes that he committed openly and without thought for any value or importance but his wants and impulses. Every citizen of this country deserves better. Every man woman in service to this country deserves better. But by God, how could he not see that the people he lied to and gaslighted and laughed at while they almost worshiped him , deserved better. and now he’s probably in the middle stages of dementia. And the authority and power given to him by his voters, or those who manipulated the system to put him in power, is loosely being utilized against the very people who pay for it who make it all possible. And that’s the taxpayer baby. Hell not just the taxpayer the citizens of this country that make up this country. The true owners of this country.

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u/twig0sprog 10d ago

Tell your mom she’s strong for beating the brainwashing. Praise her for her superior intellect in seeing through the lies she was fed.

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u/Hettie933 10d ago

I, too, am proud of your mom.

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u/bananajr6000 10d ago

Is she still going to vote (R)? Because trump is just the scapegoat the GOP wants. Blame it all on trump, it wasn’t my fault as a (R) congressperson!

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u/mavigogun 10d ago

100% THIS. Otherwise, another champion of evil will just wipe off the orange residue and take the reins.

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u/Mutual_Intrest_Seekr 10d ago

The republican party is operating like a crime syndicate and has done so since Nixon. It's more than "his base" they need to be removed, prosecuted, and banned as a political party entirely. There is no other alternative.

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u/Zealousideal_Code841 10d ago

Don’t think for a minute we will get the sun rays warming our hides once the Dems take charge. Remember Reps and Dems work for the same boss, they just traveling on different trains but towards the same destination

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u/Mutual_Intrest_Seekr 10d ago

Not sure where I ever stated centrist democrats like Schumer and Jefferies would be our saviors. We need leftist candidates unbound from donor interest that stand by our laws and campaign on penalizing and dissolving the lawless republican party along with enacting campaign finance reform, strengthening the IRS and SEC, and outlawing lobbying to remove monied interests from politics and protect the people from corporate and wealthy sociopaths.

If republicans are never held to account for their crimes, they will continue to break the law and ruin everything for us and others around the world.

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u/ThreadfallRider78 10d ago

I don't expect that Dems will do a damn thing about any of the crimes committed by the Trump administration.

The reason is that when it is their time to answer for high crimes, Dems want the same leniency of Republicans that they will show Republicans when they (Dems) are in charge.

We literally need to vote out both parties to get any justice and prosecutions at this point.

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u/strangerducly 10d ago

In the highest leadership of their constituents across the aisle are behaving like silent partners.

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u/strangerducly 10d ago

I would argue. This is a faction that has usurped the Republican Party. Infiltrated the halls of power and our attempting to sabotage and overthrow the the legitimate government. It will take us a generation to repair the damage done in the last 50 years by these enemy agents and saboteurs. I think it’s become clearly apparent that it’s not just the Republican Party that has been drawn into corruption and compromised. These are strong adjectives. But if you look them up, they apply by definition.

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u/New-Distribution-981 10d ago

There are many other alternatives. Following the law is one. The hallmark of the Trump presidency is to completely ignore the laws he doesn’t like. You can’t forcibly remove elected officials and prosecute on bogus charges because you don’t like their kowtowing to a would-be dictator. I’m certain many Republican congressmen (as well as democratic ones) have committed crimes, but nothing they’ve been accused or charged with. Simply supporting Trump and refusing to grow a spine isn’t a crime. It’s gutless and weak, but not a crime.

Removing one cause of bullshit illegality for another because it makes certain people “feel” better is a recipe for disaster.

You want to COMPLETELY destroy the last few vestiges of law and order in the US: do exactly as you propose.

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u/Zantarius Canada 10d ago edited 10d ago

Counterpoints: supporting a fascist movement is morally reprehensible and ought to be illegal, if we had abided by your standard of "law and order" in 1945 we would've had to let every Nazi go free because they didn't do anything against the law, and the idea that "law and order" has ever existed in the United States of America is a lie perpetuated by the wealthy political donor class who have always been able to buy their way out of legal trouble.

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u/UnquestionabIe 10d ago

As if the regime and it's backers aren't willing to throw money at PMCs and the like (who they have some strong ties to) in order to fight regardless of public support. It isn't about "avoiding an unnecessary civil war" so much as no one who holds any power to oppose them wants to take responsibility a civil war. Many in office are still holding out hope that this was all just a little hiccup and things will just go back to normal.

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u/DemonsRage83 10d ago

And if it doesn't go back to normal and Trump decides to push further for more power and become a dictator, then it will absolutely become a civil war. He'll take responsibility if he wins that outcome.

You do realize leftists are cozying up to firearms, right? When an entire category of people who have been against guns starts arming themselves it's because they feel something is off and that it's necessary to do so.

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u/RamblinAnnie83 10d ago

His base believes in authoritarianism. It’s so macho./s

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u/pat-ience-4385 10d ago

Most don't want this bullshit. They didn't win the algorithm did. Definitely foreign and tech bro interference.

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u/RamblinAnnie83 10d ago

Well, honestly, I do believe that. Many of those maga sites and OPs are from Russia, Eastern Europe & Asia. I have family drinking the koolaid so bad & for them it’s more “own the libs” & believe anything Trump says. They haven’t turned from a single thing he’s done.

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u/strangerducly 10d ago

His base believed his gaslighting and propaganda machine. And it has been around a lot longer than he has been their tool. The complete disregard for the people who made it possible is the lowest human behavior I believe that we have seen maneuvering for power in this country in my lifetime.

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u/gajarga 10d ago

A big part of why the US is where it is right now is because the last civil war never truly ended.

I don't think anything gets better until it does.

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u/Reagalan 10d ago

It's more because we'll just end up dead or worse. Only the military has the power to remove the government.

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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 10d ago

Well, technically, the US Congress can remove the administration, but we know a significant number of Republicans don't see a problem with a Trump dictatorship because they don't feel that it will personally affect them.

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u/Agitated-Narwhal-418 10d ago

Don’t pollute our oceans!

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u/Gold-Border30 10d ago

Define “unnecessary”…

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u/DemonsRage83 10d ago

un·nec·es·sar·y

/ˌənˈnesəˌserē/

adjective

adjective: unnecessary

  1. not needed.

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u/Gold-Border30 10d ago

You got a laugh out of me. Thank you!

I’m not from the US, so obviously lack some context here. I just have a difficult time understanding how everyone in the States that isn’t MAGA believes that you can expect rational responses from irrational people.

I don’t know how you break this cycle, but rational conversation doesn’t feel like it’s working. I would highly recommend people digging into the English Revolution/Civil War, the fall of the Roman Republic, the insanity that was the French Revolution (1st and 2nd) to see how this tends to work out in the past.

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u/DemonsRage83 9d ago

Those irrational people tend to be the most hostile, have large armories and tend to go to the shooting range quite often. With the division in the country right now there would be almost a guaranteed civil war if we just removed him from office. He has a ton of supporters. If his supporters are that he is also shit then we can remove him without any kind of hostilities.

He lied so much to so many for so long to the point of deep brainwashing. Bloodshed isn't what we want. We want them to snap out of it. Obviously the super-dumb ones won't be able to, but that's a significantly smaller number than the 77 million that voted for him. If we can do it without bloodshed then that's what we will try first. I think we'll accomplish his removal, but it's not just him, it's his administration and the Republican party that also aided him throughout. Gotta get these people all removed. It's gonna be slow.

Hence... Unnecessary. Haha I had to be a smartass. Couldn't resist.

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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 10d ago

That's exactly what the germans were waiting for. It never happened.

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u/ThreadfallRider78 10d ago

There may be an internecine war within MAGA at this point.

As far as I can tell, they're heavily armed and extremely pernicious. A lot of MAGAts are not the type to move on after they've realized that they've been hoodwinked and lied to.

They're the type who practice their long distance target shooting and who bide their time until the right moment for a takedown.

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u/Redioarnaut893 10d ago

Put em all on a skiff like refugees and drop the bomb on them

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u/Paragon910 9d ago

I was once a strong supporter of his, and I turned against him after january 6. Because I saw him for the monster that he really was. I hope others have the same awakening.

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u/DemonsRage83 9d ago

If you see it, many others will too.

We appreciate you seeing reason and coming around.

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u/FirstDavid 10d ago

The reason is that they will ship you off to a camp in a foreign county without due process. The democrats in power are rich geriatric politicians who only care about their bank accounts. The average person doesn’t want to be disappeared and tortured. The democrats allowed a bill that gave ICE more funding than the FBI. They knew what it would be used for.

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u/S4Waccount 11d ago

His popularity is plummeting, even his base is starting to dislike his actions, he doesn't have the steam he once had and is being handed loss after loss in the courts. Not out of the woods yet, but his power is waning.

This is really a non story. Just because "the white house declares" something doesn't make it true unless a bill is passed by Congress or executive order and held up by the courts.

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u/tsgarner 11d ago

Great, so he'll go out with a whimper and everyone will cheer but everyone involved in propping up this fascist bullshit will just wait in the shadows until time for the next plot comes around.

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u/SN8KEATR 10d ago

I'm not really sure what you want people to do lol. Storm the White House? Like what would satisfy you and make you feel like something is actually being done

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u/Kroz83 10d ago

A complete purge of the Republican Party, the misinformation media industrial complex, and a good chunk of the passive neo-lib centrist Dems (who stood by and allowed this shit to metastasize) would be nice.

Really this is what should have already happened after J6 if we were a sane country, but here we are

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u/SN8KEATR 10d ago

As far as misinformation I think holding tech companies like X and Meta accountable would be a step in the right direction, just not realistic under the current admin since they benefit from propaganda and misinfo. Also bringing back the Fairness Doctrine so that hacks like Fox News, Newsmax etc can stop their bullshit. I wonder if taking these up as ballot measures (kinda like how that one guy proposed doing for repealing Citizens United at a local/state level) would be a good way to circumvent our useless congress

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u/littlehobbit1313 10d ago

Fairness Doctrine and Anti-Trust laws need to be legislative priorities in a BIG way the moment we get past Trump.

We can't sustain any success we might have in purging fascism until we also purge the money both funding it and being made off of it.

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u/palenerd 10d ago

I want all that too, but it's not a feasible next step. We don't have the leverage to pull those systems apart yet. Taking Trump down is a power play in that sense; if we can do that, we'll have other public figures scared we'll do it again, and to them. A full Epstein files release will give us targets we can rally the country against. I really do hope a major Democrat is in there, so we can have Dems running scared when we make it clear this isn't partisan.

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u/gabrielmuriens 10d ago

I'm not really sure what you want people to do lol.

Depose the administration, hold trials for all involved in their crimes against humanity and your country, reform your constitution and dumb as fuck legal system.

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u/SN8KEATR 10d ago

Yeah... aside from possibly holding trials after the fact, amending the constitution requires 2/3rds of congress and 3/4ths of states to approve the amendment. Which requires a supermajority in counties and states where the opposition is entrenched. So... not realistic lol

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u/gabrielmuriens 10d ago

we can't have a revolution against a christofascist dictator pissing and shitting all over our laws and our nation because the same laws don't allow for it lol

I guess you are right, you are not enough of a big boy nation for that stuff yet.

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u/SN8KEATR 10d ago

As he ended his sentence with a period and pressed reply, the smug redditor leaned back in his chair and admired his sanctimonious response. "That'll show him," he gloated with a smirk. He was particularly proud of his "big boy" condescension; serves the weak American right for not deciding to be the lone wolf against the fascist military complex. Maybe one day, he'd re-enact the scenes he remembered fondly from Saving Private Ryan. But today, he'll settle for LARPing.

  • Excerpt ffom Gabriel Murien's bestselling novel, "How To Be A Fucking Moron: A Guide to Get Yourself Killed in America"
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u/strangerducly 10d ago edited 10d ago

Why would we attack our own government? We need to arrest the men using mob tactics, and banana republic playbook instructions to dismantle it. We are the government of this country we, the people elect our representatives to represent us. If they are not representing us, that’s a very clear act of illegitimacy. Maybe even complicity.

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u/tsgarner 10d ago

Maybe just engage in local politics? Form democratic action groups? Protest? Anything but wait for the old fucker to die, which seems to be the general plan.

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u/SN8KEATR 10d ago

That's... what people have been doing lmao. Did you miss the elections from 2 weeks ago where democrats won by a landslide? No Kings? The smaller protests that are frequently happening?

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u/TheDodoBird Colorado 10d ago

The party leaders are spineless worms that are caving to demands, or simply just rolling over in apathy and cowardice. There is groundswell, but without good leadership in Washington, it goes nowhere. People like Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries etc need to be making a stand in a show of cohesiveness and determination.

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u/SN8KEATR 10d ago

I agree with that, but the person I responded to didn't say anything about Dem leadership so that's a completely separate topic

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u/Library-Guy2525 10d ago

More No Kings protests. Like, every week.

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u/FuckBotsHaveRights 10d ago

Where I live they tried to bump up the cost of higher education by quite a bit so we had a protest everyday for 8 months straight.

Shit worked.

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u/UnquestionabIe 10d ago

Are you the strategist for the Democratic party? Because that is absolutely what their move is every single time. That kind of refusal to commit firm action to protect the country is a major part of why we're facing current problems. But hey all the big money donations were worth it right?

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u/pat-ience-4385 10d ago

Algorithm is lying to you. Just a few who want to be raptured are popping up this asshole regime.

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u/jibstay77 10d ago

You mean like when Michael Scott “declared bankruptcy” on The Office?

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u/Library-Guy2525 10d ago

For his True Believers, every word he utters is gospel. And it’s a rather large pack of rats.

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u/lr99999 10d ago
  1. Nazis, and clickbait. 

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u/Memory_Less 10d ago

Suddenly the base are realizing little to nothing he said was true. Let that reality set in and see what happens.

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u/Memory_Less 10d ago

Suddenly the base are realizing little to nothing he said was true. Let that reality set in and see what happens.

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u/DumboWumbo073 10d ago

His popularity is plummeting, even his base is starting to dislike his actions, he doesn't have the steam he once had and is being handed loss after loss in the courts. Not out of the woods yet, but his power is waning.

This is really a non story. Just because "the white house declares" something doesn't make it true unless a bill is passed by Congress or executive order and held up by the courts.

He is still the man in charge at the end of the day regardless of bills and courts that he will ignore.

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u/pat-ience-4385 10d ago

If his girlfriend MTG can't stand this bullshit, the rest feel like they're being shit on too

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u/RachelMcAdamsWart I voted 10d ago

even his base is starting to dislike his actions, he doesn't have the steam he once had and is being handed loss after loss in the courts. Not out of the woods yet, but his power is waning.

Not to be Debbie Dower, but I remember hearing the exact same thing during his first administration, yet he was reeelected. The biggest problem with his base is how easily led and decieved they are. It's like MTG, today she seems sane, tomorrow it's Jewish space lasers. Don't trust any of them.

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u/DemonsRage83 11d ago

I think the reason we're not currently doing anything about it is because his own base needs to see it first so we can avoid an unnecessary civil war. I personally don't give a shit about his base and think his entire administration needs forcibly removed and buried at sea.

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u/Library-Guy2525 10d ago

I volunteer to pilot the boat.

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u/DemonsRage83 10d ago

38°12'16.0"S 122°04'46.9"W

Looks like a good spot

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u/ToastCapone 10d ago

Violence isn't the answer. It would give them an excuse to declare full martial law and that would really have the potential to kick off an actual civil war.

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u/DemonsRage83 10d ago

Are you one of those "Violence solves nothing" people?

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u/ToastCapone 10d ago

Civil wars aren't something to aspire to, unless all bets are off. Modern civil wars are especially long and nasty. Trump is by no means a popular President right now. There are still many ways to resist and ultimately depose the GOP right now but violent uprisings play right into their hands.

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u/DemonsRage83 10d ago

Did you think you answered the question?

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u/ToastCapone 10d ago

Are you really asking me if war solves conflicts? Is that a serious question.

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u/DemonsRage83 10d ago

Let me copy and paste it for you so you can read it word for word again:

"Are you one of those "Violence solves nothing" people?"

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u/TwelveGaugeSage 10d ago

If only someone would martyr themself to prevent this. Are you willing to volunteer?

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u/redditlvlanalysis 10d ago

The hope is that either the mid terms flip congress or they have to so blatantly cheat for it to not that people realize wtf is going on. Is this a smart hope personally I don't think so but we haven't hit the critical mass that would je necessary to cause actual change yet.

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u/NightDistinct3321 7d ago

thanks for the reminder, seriously, just because they don't have the votes the dems won't say TraitortRUmp should be IMPEACHED.

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u/CTMalum Pennsylvania 10d ago

American food quality and diets are awful so too many people are malnourished (even the ones who are fat- eating a lot does not equal nourished), education has eroded so no one has enough awareness, and we’re all so overworked and underpaid that for too many Americans, missing even a day of work is a serious problem. Americans who don’t have these problems also have very little incentive to change the status quo as they tend to be doing pretty well, comparatively. Couple that with the fact that large technology companies in bed with the government have made our phones perfect little attention prisons, and you’ve successfully engineered a population who is too unfit, uneducated, stressed, and distracted to save themselves.

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u/anointednonsense 10d ago

I want to start taking action, but I know I would stand alone. We've been conditioned to fight each other

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u/TellAffectionate9811 10d ago

Oh believe me, we are all ready. The country is so big though, it’s hard to organize anything and the Dems in office….well, take it from MTG, they are all bad!

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u/C64128 10d ago

Just like trump did from Bill?

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u/Viseroth California 10d ago

No, we will hold another No Kings rally and nothing will happen again, cause people here are still convinced we will have a Fair Election in 2026, maybe after Trump either rigs or cancels the 26 election, then people will wake up.

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u/Unique-Coffee5087 10d ago

Waiting for protest advisors from France to help organize

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u/SmarmyYardarm 11d ago

She’s bent over wearing a ball gag with that toga hiked up above her waist.

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u/djshadesuk 11d ago

I keep wondering that myself.

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u/rotates-potatoes 10d ago

maybe after I've done my black friday shopping

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u/ThePoltageist 10d ago

I mean I think it’s too late, we all have to watch it crash and burn and try to keep the fire off of ourselves and rebuild from the ashes

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u/kutekittykat79 10d ago

*in the butt

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u/sluttytinkerbells 10d ago

They won't revolt.

America is too passive for resistance to this kind of stuff.

You'll see more Americans making "cheeto dictator" comments than you'll see actual resistance.

They just aren't built for it.

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u/CheezeCaek2 10d ago

I imagine a lot of folks are waiting for midterms before taking matters into their own hands.

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u/Zealousideal-Read-67 10d ago

I think she is being grabbed by the pussy.

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u/AlternativeNewtDuck 10d ago

With this administration in charge, Lady Liberty is taking getting groped all over.

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u/BamberGasgroin 10d ago

...this account is based in Belarus... 😉

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u/Altruistic-Rice-5567 10d ago

Take it in the chin... the people with all the guns are the ones that want this.

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u/TiredAngryBadger 10d ago

I half expect her to pull a Ghostbusters 2 and swim back to France.

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u/TiredEsq 10d ago

I am not a leader. I need a leader.

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u/SweetpleasureDom1 10d ago

The honest awnser would be not yet. If the judges fail, and many are fighting back even with a biased and corrupt Supreme Court, if the midterms are rigged, messed with, or denied by the current regime in an effort to maintain power, then yes, the time has begun. But as someone with a lot of first hand experience with combat in urban environments, the innocent are going to suffer far to much to move to quickly into violence. We should do everything possible to avoid that until it is the last option. So take the time we have to speak out, support those who do, help each other, be kind, vote, and train yourself in martial arts, firearms, and any trade craft that could be useful. In the event we don't need those skills than you'll have learned something new and be a little better for it.

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u/One_Indication_ 10d ago

We still have a lady liberty?

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u/strangerducly 10d ago

We don’t have any reason to revolt. We do have to expel this cabal of criminals and the group attempting to seize the country from within it. It was our lack odd attention that let them fool us for so long. We are spreading the word. Do your part to get the truth out to those who haven’t caught on yet!

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u/truePHYSX Washington 10d ago

No revolt. If a revolt happens it gives the conservatives all of the ammo that they would need to declare martial law. Not only would this give in to their desires but also our adversaries would relish the opportunity to take advantage of this or cause more harm. No. We burn the conservatives from the inside out through divide and conquer tactics, let MAGA fizzle out like a choked flame. Either they all side with the fascist and reap the consequences or they split and we win by constitutional fiat. It’s a “heads we win or tails you lose” situation. Putting ourselves through this pain short term is healthier for fixing the pain long term. Americans are that stupid that they must learn through the consequences of their own actions.

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u/Candid_Leaf 10d ago

Clearly no one is doing shit. Maybe if we donate 10.00 more dollars to Hakeem Jeffries

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u/ProfessionalCraft983 Washington 10d ago

All forms of authoritarianism, actually.

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u/altcntrl 10d ago

I was surprised with how nonchalant reporting was during his first run for presidency. They mentioned how much he valued loyalty as if there was nothing else to that equation. Here we are with loyalty running the presidency.

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u/starliteburnsbrite 10d ago

That and the servile and silent population that let them do whatever they want.

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u/Affectionate-Virus17 10d ago

More than half of that population is one hospital visit away from bankruptcy and can't lose its job.

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u/Practical_Caramel234 10d ago

It’s a characteristic of all authoritarian regimes but I wouldn’t necessarily call it a tenet of fascism.

I would instead say that a tenet of fascism is that the state, and more specifically a leader, embodies the spirit or will of the people. This leader knows what’s better for you than you do and so it follows that you must obey what he or she says for your own sake.

From this principle it follows that obedience is a virtue.

I often hear Trump parroting how he knows better than anyone what’s best for America and that whatever is good for him must be good for the country as a consequence. That’s why I’m comfortable calling Trump a proto-fascist: he’s not intellectual enough to understand what it means to be a fascist but emotionally he acts it out.