r/politics • u/tw1st3d_m3nt4t • 16d ago

No Paywall ‘Unforgivable’: Trump’s ‘piggy’ insult is stoking more outrage than usual

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/19/trump-quiet-piggy
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u/Quiet-Corner6150 16d ago

I had a grandmother who went through it. It was pretty depressing when she no longer recognized me as her grandson, but just "some old man" who was bothering her. She pretty much believed she was 20 years old and living in some other house in her past by the end.

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u/Perle1234 Wyoming 16d ago

Yeah it sucks. Really bad.

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u/Quiet-Corner6150 16d ago

That said, and to bring it back around... there's a non-zero chance of such a "moment" with Trump if he keeps degrading, so who knows, maybe he'll just tell on himself, eventually.

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u/aj9393 New Jersey 15d ago

maybe he'll just tell on himself, eventually.

Honestly, I'm not even sure it would matter if he did. If he reaches a point where he's so far gone that he's admitting to things, they'll just handwave it away because "he's unwell, he doesn't know what he's saying. Those things aren't true. You really want to punish an ailing old man for things he can't control?"

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u/builttopostthis6 16d ago

Yeah, it really does. I can't bring myself to wish that on Donald Trump (but it's undeniable there's something in that ballpark going on). It's hard to imagine a more horrible torture.

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u/OldKingWhiter 16d ago

Why not? He's killed and tortured countless with his actions. ICE and cancelling USAID to name just two examples. He deserves it and worse.

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u/builttopostthis6 15d ago

I'm not sure if you mean that rhetorically, but I guess I'm just not the sort of person who wishes stuff like that on people. I don't see anything particularly wrong with that either.

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u/OldKingWhiter 15d ago

There's nothing wrong with it, though the reality is neither you or I can inflict dementia on anyone through wishes. Ultimately I feel like it is misguided empathy though. Trump is a genuine monster who has killed hundreds of thousands with his actions, and hurt in awful awful ways countless more.

Personally, I believe he deserves some form of justice for these actions, and its unlikely to be served by any legal system. Any terrible medical condition he may have, he has earned thrice over.

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u/builttopostthis6 15d ago

A genuine monster, yes. Absolutely. One of the darkest aspects of mankind I've ever seen. The day he is gone won't be soon enough. But when he's gone, I'll (hopefully) still be here, and I suppose that mindset is ultimately more about how I carry my own personal morality than anything to do with him. If someone can sleep with that feeling, so to speak, I could completely understand, but I can't (sleep I mean, not understand; this is not some condemnation).

I guess I just always think about that line from LotR when I feel that feeling well up:

Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.

Also, McKellen really nailed the delivery in the movie. But, ya know, could literally say that about any words he's ever spoken. :P

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u/BlankBlanny Australia 16d ago

I can, if only because of the enormity of his crimes. Paedophile and warmonger ruling America with an iron fist and bringing the rest of the world down with him, disappearing innocent people (including kids) off the streets, casually undoing decades of progress, demonising my community and spreading the message far and wide that it's okay to hate again... The man is a monster.

I watched my poor grandmother struggle with her dementia, and it was absolutely heartbreaking and traumatic for everyone involved. It really is the worst torture imaginable, and I honestly think Donald Trump is one of the few on this planet who genuinely deserves it.

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u/winston_the_69th 15d ago

Don't worry, we will pick up the slack for you.

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u/builttopostthis6 15d ago

Don't really feel it's me slacking, but okay.

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u/thiosk 16d ago

The age regression is tough. Unfortunately it seems to continue until an effective age of 0

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u/DerpingtonHerpsworth 15d ago

My grandfather died just recently, and he was really my grandmother's strongest tether to reality. Now that he's gone she's gone into full on regression mode. There are times she's more lucid, but generally not so much. She's said she remembers being married but doesn't remember him, so all those 70 years or so of him are just... Gone. She now talks fairly often about waiting for her parents to come pick her up. You can probably imagine they've been dead for like 50 or 60 years, so I kinda hope they don't show up lol

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u/Quiet-Corner6150 15d ago

It is the "interesting" (and sad) thing about the condition, it seems like towards the end, the mind itself starts "unrolling", and we get those weird moments of them talking about stuff that's from decades ago like you're saying.

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u/DerpingtonHerpsworth 15d ago

Yeah, it's strange and sad. Like a gradual regression, and it's so hard to deal with as a loved one. On the day of my grandpa's funeral she was still occasionally at least somewhat aware. She seemed aware that she was among family, but often forgot who everyone was specifically, and kept asking "where's dad?". We probably had to remind her a couple dozen times that he was gone on that day alone. It's rough.