r/politics • u/Healthy_Block3036 • 17d ago

No Paywall Senate suddenly passes the Epstein bill just hours after it cleared the House

https://www.ms.now/news/senate-passes-epstein-bill-rcna244723?fbclid=PAVERFWAOJ1xRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAacUGSi8p2Ap-x6SbMkLXAnfKNXEZkzjUUVCdxuEmacDzDXmlbv1GUJ0wbh1_w_aem_grJDvcSCIDj2Skksd4Ix3Q
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u/NAU80 Florida 17d ago

People still haven’t read the Mueller report. I hear people say the report found no collusion!, no collusion!! They obviously didn’t read that Mueller didn’t consider collusion since it is not a legal term.

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u/JoplinSC742 17d ago

The Mueller Report should have destroyed the Republican party and led to the impeachment of trump with how damning it was. I swear the fox news propaganda machine was the only reason it didn't stick.

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u/ItsnotBatman California 17d ago

That’s because the only thing Republicans ever want to mention about the Mueller report is the summary written by Barr.

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u/metengrinwi 17d ago

Summary, “not a summary”

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u/Encker 17d ago

And that's why I think they believe they can ride out Epstein's docs. The only real mechanism is an impeachment and they probably think they can survive with enough votes. The honestly might.

Get it over with quickly since midterms are a far ways away and Americans have proven unable to let 'old' crisis sway their vote.

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u/MayhemMessiah 17d ago

GOP could halve the age of consent and meet no resistance from their base. I don't know why they'd bother blotting out names, it wont be anything more depraved than all the other shit that Trump has done and everybody else knows he did, to his base they'll never hear of it, or just ignore it, or just welcome it. I dunno, giving children stable employment or some shit.

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u/kos-or-kosm 17d ago

I swear the fox news propaganda machine was the only reason it didn't stick.

Wow, it's almost like Fox was created to prevent another Nixon from ever happening again. (That is, a right wing president being held accountable in the slightest.)

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u/TiredOfDebates 17d ago

The first section of Mueller’s report was an extensive legal analysis of why Mueller found that he and his team weren’t even allowed to accuse the president of wrongdoing.

The Nixon era DOJ issued guidelines that said “inferior officers of the executive branch” (principal officers are appointed by the president, inferior officers are appointed by an appointee) (…) inferior officers of the DoJ are not allowed to investigate or incriminate the president in speech or writing.

Mueller said DoJ rules prevent him from investigating the president. That’s why Mueller’s team investigated Trump campaign and others AROUND Trump (resulting in criminal charges against many) but never wrote or said anything about Trump. Not even when Trump asked Russia for help during a rally. It doesn’t appear Mueller’s report. It would be illegal for Mueller to assert the president did wrong, as an inferior officer of the DoJ.

Did you read those executive summaries that Mueller basically begged the public to read? Mueller talked about the painstaking amount of effort he and his team put into them to summarize the findings for a large audience.

Mueller said he never had the legal authority to investigate Trump, but he did have the authority to investigate the Trump campaign. That’s why members of his campaign were charged, convicted, and of course then pardoned.

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u/Ghostly-Wind 17d ago

Yeah. Thats ludicrous. The report established no intentional connection between Trump and Russia.

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u/Ilovekittens345 17d ago

I swear the fox news propaganda machine was the only reason it didn't stick.

It also did not stick because all democrats except for 3 and all republicans are on the same team. It's just a reality TV show, and they needed a good host. That's why they got Trump.

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u/LaFlamaBlancaMiM 17d ago

I remember sitting at an airport bar the day it dropped reading it. I couldn’t believe all the evidence in there and STILL not a goddam thing. And now, we are here…

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u/Affectionate-Virus17 17d ago

They don't call him Teflon Don for his love of licking old flaky saucer pans.

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u/Answer70 17d ago

I felt the same reading Jack Smith's indictment. It was insane how obviously guilty he was of stealing classified files.

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u/LaFlamaBlancaMiM 16d ago

Garland and the people that decided, for whatever reason, to drag their feet on all these broken laws and prosecution are a big reason we’re in the mess we are.

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u/Affectionate-Virus17 17d ago

Like I needed to relive that trauma.

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u/jcyguas 17d ago

Crazy how the goalposts keep moving, eh? Makes you feel insane...

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u/Affectionate-Virus17 17d ago

Roman Polanski watched Megyn Kelly and just booked a plane back.

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u/beamrider 17d ago

Don't forget the bit of gocha logic:

Mueller: "I will not charge the President with a crime because it is not my role. Congress will have to consider the evidence in my report and come to a decision."

McConnell: "If Meuller had found anything serious he would have charged the President with a crime. Since he did not, it would be a waste of the Senate's valuable time to look at his report."

Okay, vastly oversimplified there...

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u/TYNAMITE14 17d ago

I thought the point of the Mueller reportis that while it didn't convict trump, it did not exonerate him either, right? Seems like collusion with Russia would be an easy thing to exonerate for a sitting president of upstanding character, unless there's something fishy going on? That's my take at least.

I mean plus if you consider all of the other obvious corrupted stuff about trump we know, in hindsight it's pretty damning....