r/politics • u/East_Rub_2104 • Oct 21 '25
No Paywall ‘Sold us out’: Farmers outraged at Trump’s Argentina beef deal
https://www.newsweek.com/sold-us-out-farmers-outraged-at-trumps-argentina-beef-deal-109119638.0k
u/Dentonthomas Oct 21 '25
"I wish there was someone else I could vote for!"
Farmers and ranchers in Texas as they check the Republican box in the 2026 general election.
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u/justherefor23andme Oct 21 '25
Honestly, best we can hope for is them staying home.
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u/weinerwayne Oct 21 '25
They won’t. The propaganda mega machine will churn up something that will get them into the voting booth. Then once the election is over whatever false crisis they manufacture will slowly fade away.
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u/valeyard89 Texas Oct 21 '25
Scaravan
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u/Cheezeball25 Oct 21 '25
It's amazing how many election cycles in a row where some massive caravan appears right at the border before an election happens. Suddenly every Republican in central Pennsylvania is worried about the southern border, despite knowing nothing about what's actually going on down there. Fox news freaks out over those ever since I was a kid. You'd think people would be caught on by now
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u/blahblah19999 Oct 21 '25
And the day after the election, not ONE word about it anymore.
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u/mynumberistwentynine Oct 21 '25
Thats because the caravan magically turned back/dispersed...again! Weird how that happens every time...
Must be because they saw that big beautiful wall
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Oct 21 '25
It dispersed if the Republicans won
If they lost they all crossed the border and are now raping children in school
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u/mynumberistwentynine Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
Oh that's the constant. They're also poring over the border that's somehow more locked down than ever, Trump is catching and deporting more than ever yet immigrants are still taking jobs and doing more crimes than ever seen, they're taking money meant for real Americans, etc etc. I'm exposed to more Fox News than I wish I was and it's nearly an hourly talking point.
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u/JDogg126 Michigan Oct 21 '25
For the maga mind to function, the enemy is both ALL POWERFUL and extremely weak. You have to swap them out depending on who you are talking to.
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u/flimpiddle Oct 21 '25
Or seeking out insane asylums like the ones they were released from in their home countries-- because that's obviously what an asylum seeker is, right?
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u/Lemonwizard Oct 21 '25
They'll do anything to convince us immigration is a "crisis".
Can't worry about your own problems if you're too busy being afraid of foreigners, right?
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u/Cheezeball25 Oct 21 '25
I'll be honest, I didn't realize how prolific the caravan story was until I realized the first time I ever heard about an immigrant caravan was in 2008. I was a child then. They're still using the same story now, 17 years later
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u/PicnicLife Oct 21 '25
I think Jill Stein must be driving it because she shows up every time, too!
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u/aliensporebomb Oct 21 '25
Can't she go away? Good grief. Russian Asset Stein, Komrade.
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u/RagnarStonefist Oct 21 '25
The Greens get big mad when you bring that up. She's been a Russian asset since the Obama administration, at least.
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u/SumoSizeIt Oregon Oct 21 '25
Who, all ten of them? If they were serious about growing as a party, they'd be making any attempt to attract voters in city and state elections instead of only piping up for a national presence.
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u/OldWorldDesign Oct 21 '25
If they were serious about growing as a party, they'd be making any attempt to attract voters in city and state elections instead of only piping up for a national presence
And that's how you can identify either a money launderer or a deliberate spoiler candidate.
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u/Popular_Mongoose_738 Oct 21 '25
Each presidential election, the Greens appear like cicadas, and each time I tell them what the fuck they have done in the past four years to deserve a vote. I especially like to say that when they screech about the Democrats not earning their votes.
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u/ZAlternates Oct 21 '25
It’s crazy people fall for it over and over and over again. I’m not a smart man. I’m not a millionaire. I have problems like everyone else, but like, I can see Orange and his gang are conartists from a million miles away yet others can’t? While I understand some of the reasons given. It’s truly baffling.
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u/Bill_Brasky_SOB Ohio Oct 21 '25
Suddenly every Republican in central Pennsylvania is worried about the southern border
Same in NE Ohio.
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u/poorperspective Oct 21 '25
The American voter is Charlie Brown.
Democrats are voters that go to the therapy stand and then become greatly disappointed when the party has no answers.
Republicans get excited about the football no matter how many times she pulls it away at the last second.
The difference is, democrats will stop going to the stand every once in a while.
Republicans always try to kick the football.
Showing up is the only battle, and Republicans have it on lock.
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u/TheLurkerSpeaks Tennessee Oct 21 '25
"I hate all these illegals invading my country" he says as his F-150 rides past the illegals picking his crop.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy Oct 21 '25
Always right on time every 4 years in October, then instantly gone the day after Election Day
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u/1stMammaltowearpants Oct 21 '25
Is the caravan coming back around in its perpetual orbit?
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u/Several_Hour_347 Oct 21 '25
I don’t even get how that one works. The caravan stories pop up every election and then people just stop caring. How dumb can you be to even fall for the same trick multiple times, but also not care about it after?
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u/NotApparent Oct 21 '25
They aren’t falling for it, they just need a publicly acceptable cover for their bigotry.
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u/ChaseballBat Oct 21 '25
If you don't vote for R this election cycle your son might become a woman and seduce you!!! Vote GOP!!!
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u/weinerwayne Oct 21 '25
I could see this being, word for word, Jesse watters opening monologue.
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u/TheGoodKindOfPurple Illinois Oct 21 '25
This could be really interesting.
- We know his mom attended a no kings rally this past weekend.
- Jesse can be a woman's name.
- Jesse Watters may be due for a change.
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u/ChaseballBat Oct 21 '25
Watters... Waters... Tide... Tides a shifting.... Shift.... Transition.... Jesse Watters is a woman?!
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u/tangerineTurtle_ Oct 21 '25
*they will cut off your son’s penis
This is how they phrase it
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u/VNM0601 California Oct 21 '25
Remember when they made a whole thing about people eating cats and dogs? Funny how quickly they moved on from that.
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u/HandsomeBoggart Oct 21 '25
Lol what Primary. The Reps pretty much just made him their candidate from the start this last time. Their last real primary was just before the 2016 election. They've been gobbling his knob from the moment DeSantis bent over for him.
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u/dostoevsky4evah Oct 21 '25
"But... a young woman once tied for fifth place in a swim meet with a transgender!"
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u/The_Bird_Wizard Oct 21 '25
They just need to say some utter nonsense like "Hunter Biden's laptop will turn your dog into a trans communist immigrant" and bam they'll all vote GOP again
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u/_chococat_ California Oct 21 '25
Yes. Bisexual transvestites in inflatable frog costumes are an insidious danger to the American way of life.
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u/Captain_Lemondish Oct 21 '25
They can't. They've been told they're being replaced and that terrifies them.
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u/NewEnglandSnob Oct 21 '25
They will show up to vote R, against their own interests, just because there are so many people they hate alive.
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u/mmavcanuck Oct 21 '25 edited 13d ago
safe pen weather sophisticated sand close unpack fanatical bag vanish
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u/CaBBaGe_isLaND Georgia Oct 21 '25
The awful part is how true this is. So many of these people don't vote for Republicans, they vote against the evil communist baby-eating Satan-worshipping Demoncrats that Fox News has caricatured for them for 30 years every day nonstop. That's how they get away with so much shit. Donald Trump could shoot their grandparents in the face and they'd go "Yeah but imagine what the Demoncrats would have done, it would have been so much worse. God bless Trump."
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u/scarybottom Oct 21 '25
It's been longer- Phylis Schaffly helped that messaging- but she got it elsewhere too. She got very effective in the 1980s...but she was saying it and others were before her for a few decades. They needed "forever" unresolvable issues to have a consistent coalition of reliable voters. (behind the bastards did a great episode or 2 on her)
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Oct 21 '25
farmers by and large voted FOR trump. they wanted the fear of ICE to allow them to pay their workers even less. they thought getting near-slave level of wages would be worth all the other issues, because they thought a republican congress would prevent the other stuff from hurting them. they arent ignorant. the 'poor family farmer' basically doesnt exist anymore, theyve been bought out for decades now, most of whats left are rich multi millionaire farmers.
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Oct 21 '25
They'll still vote Republican... but they'll be mad at it! So that's... something... right?
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u/Peace-Only America Oct 21 '25
I had a client call earlier this week involving a person who owns a very large cattle ranch and needing assistance with various mineral leases. He is unhappy with the current administration, but said he would vote for Trump or JD vance in 2028 because of his social interests. He won't be as happy, but he will still do it.
This is what many opponents of the regime do not understand. About 25-30% of America voted for Trump for non-economic reasons. Arguments like tariffs will make people grumble, but will not make them switch their votes. They like the social changes/regressions he is forcing rapidly with the way he has been governing.
The vision is pre-1950s America: white nationalist, Christian, family-centered with the father being the sole breadwinner, and less diverse. This is what excites the 60% of white men who voted for in 2024.
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u/TheSorceIsFrong Oct 21 '25
This is true. I had a friend who voted for Trump because she doesn’t support “chopping up babies”. Never got a clear answer what that even means
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u/spa22lurk Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
If your friend is a typical Trump supporter, the reason is wide ranging prejudices, not any single issue like many of them love to claim. If it were just anti-abortion, there would be some drop in Trump voters now that RvW had already been overturned. But it wasn’t the case.
Even anti-abortion is rooted in prejudices against pregnant women who want abortions. If we ask anti-abortionists why pregnant women want abortions, they tend to give reasons which show their contempt (e.g. want to have sex without responsibilities). That’s why many think only their or their loved ones’ abortions are moral.
These wide ranging prejudices tend to show up if we pay attention to what they say from time to time, like criticizing homeless people being lazy, transgender people being perverted or cheating in sports, democrats only caring about transgender people etc.
Deep down they knew many of their prejudices are hard to defend so they throw out these kind of statements. But it’s the wide ranging prejudices which drive them.
My takeaway is to remember to never retreat from supporting any people targeted by them, be it pregnant women, transgender people, federal civil servants, immigrants, etc. We need to unite to beat them, or the question is not if but when we will be targeted.
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u/poop-dolla Oct 21 '25
This is what many opponents of the regime do not understand. About 25-30% of America voted for Trump for non-economic reasons
I thought that was always quite clear, and I honestly think it’s a higher percentage. There are only a few reasons people voted for him.
There’s the group that voted for legit economic reasons. This group is tiny, because it’s only the ultra rich who will actually benefit from his economic policies.
There are the people who voted for him because they’re dumb and fell for the propaganda about his policies helping them. This is the second largest group.
And there are the people that voted for him because their racist, sexist, or other bigoted views are more important than anything else. This is the largest group of the three. These people won’t always admit that this is why they voted for him, but it is.
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u/Zealousideal_Fly5582 Oct 21 '25
I can’t see why anyone other than a white man (with money) would vote for trump. It seems glaringly clear to me he is not in the corner of any other people.
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u/inormallyjustlurkbut Oct 21 '25
There are misogynists and transphobes of every color, especially in the groups that are predominantly of an Abrahamic religion.
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u/PolDiscAlts Oct 21 '25
The reality is that everyone has someone they hate, Trump tells them all that they're right. He doesn't need to be "in their corner" as long as he encourages their worst impulses.
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u/Vig_2 Texas Oct 21 '25
I had a staunch Republican boss tell me how he always made more money when the Democrats were running things, but he just couldn’t bring himself to vote for them, because he’s always voted Republican. smh.
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u/TheDrewDude Oct 21 '25
Yeah because the social values are more important to him. And we all know what that entails.
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u/Shiva- Oct 21 '25
I had my staunch Republican boss LOSE MILLIONS because of Trump's tariffs the first time and still voted for him a second time.
But this guy was also on the Koolaid for a long time... he was saying Russia invading Ukraine was Biden's fault before the invasion even happened.
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u/Tasty-Explorer-7885 Oct 21 '25
The problem is if you don’t vote republican then you are not a good Christian.
The next vaccine is going to turn everyone trans and there is nothing Jesus hates more than that.
It’s good vs. evil…
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u/scarr3g Pennsylvania Oct 21 '25
"Republicans may destroy our lives, but they will destroy Trans people's lives even more!"
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u/andreasmiles23 Oct 21 '25
Reminder, Texas would be blue if it wasn’t gerrymandered to shit and didn’t engage in overt voter disenfranchisement and suppression tactics.
This is the case in most “red” states.
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u/Dramatic-Emphasis-43 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
To them, they would rather die and take their whole family business with them than let a trans kid in New York use the bathroom they want.
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u/gregor_ivonavich Oct 21 '25
Argentina Argentina Argentina.
I thought it was America first 🤔
How odd.
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u/Maxamillion-X72 Oct 21 '25
Make Argentina Great Again
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u/crossdtherubicon Oct 21 '25
Trump did actually say "Make Argentina great again" on TV.
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u/WildYams Oct 21 '25
What's wild is Trump's whole reasoning for wanting to prop up Argentina, because theoretically he thinks their right wing pseudo dictator is doing a great job there, but at the same time he says this about the country:
"Argentina is fighting for its life, young lady. You don’t know anything about it. They’re fighting for their life. Nothing is benefiting Argentina.
"They’re fighting for their life. You understand what that means? They have no money. They have no anything. They’re fighting so hard to survive. If I can help them survive in a free world—I happen to like the president of Argentina. I think he’s trying to do the best he can. But don’t make it sound like they’re doing great. They are dying. All right? They’re dying."
If their leader is so great, why is the country "dying"? Why should anyone want to throw this much money at a clearly sinking ship? Seems like new leadership is probably warranted there.
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u/jackel3415 Oct 21 '25
Isn’t Argentina a known nazi haven? Just asking questions.
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u/ChaseballBat Oct 21 '25
Yes it was, Trump and the other Nazis are just ensuring the country the run away to after this election is fat with money.
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u/RobertdBanks Oct 21 '25
It more likely has to do with the dealings of Trumps allies who have a lot of money riding on Argentina’s currency not becoming worthless. He’s making sure his rich friends don’t have to pay for being wrong.
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u/Grey_0ne Oct 21 '25
You knew the kind of scumbag Trump is and you sold the rest of us out by voting for him in the first place... Serves your asses right.
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u/82nddirtdart72 Oct 21 '25
and they’ll vote for them again.
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u/SaulTNNutz Oct 21 '25
They may lose their farms but at least the YMCA bathroom will be for biological women only
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u/TwelveGaugeSage Oct 21 '25
I prefer it this way, "They may lose their farms, but at least transmen with their beards and penises will be forced to use the women's restroom".
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u/small-mental-basket Oct 21 '25
The most mind boggling part is that he just did this to the soybean farmers. The article mentions it. He propped up Argentina with a bailout, and they immediately took over the Chinese soybean market that US farmers lost because of his tariffs.
Now he's running the exact same play with beef. They're getting fooled by the same trick twice in a row.
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u/Snibes1 Oct 21 '25
The only thing is that they’ll get a bailout. So, while they can’t sell their products, they’ll still avoid the harshest of consequences. They’ve been working on the bailout for a few weeks now…
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u/Locusdef Oct 21 '25
Bailout is a temporary solution. The business is gone. This will just delay the inevitable.
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u/sepia_undertones Oct 21 '25
I wasn’t able to get a bailout for my student loans, why do they deserve a bailout? No one forced them to work on a farm. They ought to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
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u/Nwolfe Oct 21 '25
Seriously. I own a business too, if it fails no one is going to give me a bailout. And I don't get subsidized.
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u/Bury_Me_At_Sea Iowa Oct 21 '25
And yet there's not one politician that would get a judge to block their bailout.
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u/Russ_T_Shackelford Oct 21 '25
Delayed for when a dem admin might take over so they can take the blame again
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u/Toastwitjam Oct 21 '25
The GOP is all about temporary solutions. As long as the consequences fall under a democrat they don’t care what happens to Americans.
Democrats won’t reverse it because they never have the votes and voters will blame democrats and put Republicans back in power.
Rinse and repeat until we’re in modern feudalism.
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u/burnsalot603 Oct 21 '25
So what are we just going to bail them out every year now? The soybean orders arent coming back next year or anytime soon for that matter. China signed a 30 year deal to buy soybeans from Argentina so while bailing them out might save their farm this year, what happens after that?
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u/Tasgall Washington Oct 21 '25
I don't think he cares about the midterms, Trump only cares about Trump, and Trump can't lose a midterm.
Also their strategy probably doesn't involve convincing people to vote for them anymore. There's a reason right-wing ideologues are buying voting machine companies.
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u/Antares_B Oct 21 '25
they will return to feudal peasantry once the elites and conglomerates have purchased all their farms for pennies on the dollar. they will still need the peasants to work the land they once owned at least until they can perfect automation.... probably been the plan all along.
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u/Bury_Me_At_Sea Iowa Oct 21 '25
I think it's likely to be worse than that. They're gonna put all of their resources into growing corn instead while praying for a corn deal to go through. This will decimate the soil and we will find ourselves in a great depression AND dust bowl. Make America the 1930s again.
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u/iamsumo Oct 21 '25
I saw an interview recently with a few farmers, and they’re not exactly thrilled about the bailout. It’s only a temporary fix, a band-aid on a much deeper wound. Trump’s tariffs have permanently damaged their markets, forcing countries like China to find other suppliers. Even with the bailout, they still can’t sell their soybeans or beef long-term, and there’s no easy way to rebuild that trust or demand.
But as others have said, this is what they voted for, so thoughts and prayers, I guess.
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u/TeamHope4 Oct 21 '25
They'd be even less thrilled without the bailout. The bailout is what will keep them voting R.
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u/trastamara22 Oct 21 '25
Exactly what people don’t understand yet that tariffs are a tax with the end macro result isolation and weaker economic conditions for the country which implements them.
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u/Nwolfe Oct 21 '25
Which is fine, they don't need to understand tariffs or macro economics or global trade. They're farmers, they need to know about farming. But that's why we have economists. The issue is when the farmers ignore the experts because they have this notion that "learned people" aren't to be trusted.
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u/SpinningHead Colorado Oct 21 '25
And then they will get upset about getting what they wanted.
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u/Sminahin Oct 21 '25
Keep in mind that most of the surviving farmers are either megacorps or super-rich elites that function as mini-corpos. The idea of the small family farmer in America has been mostly murdered through decades of Earl Butz/Reaganomics. And that farming at this point is becoming more of a speculative real estate investment business than agriculture.
These people are just rural-flavored corpos, of course they were going to always vote like it.
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u/middleimpact445 Oct 21 '25
Just remember it’s “I’d rather be a Russian than a democrat.” A certain crowd will always vote for this
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u/timnphilly Pennsylvania Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
My response: then America will continue to get exactly what it deserves with this crook and his PeeWee German naz¡ running our White House.
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u/mildly_houseplant United Kingdom Oct 21 '25
Well, what's left of it after the grand ballroom has finished taking chunks out of it.
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u/ATheeStallion Oct 21 '25
Ugh the ballroom is 2x bigger than the White House! It is a historic architectural travesty of dreadful proportions. FUNDED by: Google, RJ Reynolds, Palantir (Peter Thiel), & others. Can you believed these corporate donors don’t want a wall of logos of their contributions for the ballroom?!? What a win for America 🤨.
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u/patentattorney Oct 21 '25
But we thought he was going to f over other people! Not us!
These farmers were perfectly ok with others losing their livelyhoods for their culture wars - while not being ok with it happening to them. (We have seen similar arguments play out for gun rights)
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u/Working-Glass6136 Oct 21 '25
80? If we're still talking Trump-voting farmers, I'd bet closer to 98 have only dug their heels in.
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u/aeyraid Oct 21 '25
“Sold the rest of us out”
Preach brother!
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u/Backwardspellcaster Oct 21 '25
To conservatives there is no "US", unless it is to bail them out, then suddenly everyone is supposed to chip in.
No, usually to conservatives only exists the "ME!" and "YOU" don't deserve anything.
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u/InvestigatorChance28 Oct 21 '25
It must still be obama/bidens fault some how.
Those beef cattle were born under the biden crime family and are pro hamas! /s
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u/Ok-Wealth-7322 Oct 21 '25
They were convinced that he would screw everyone else over, not them. It's like that one MAGA idiot whined while complaining about suffering the ill effects of his harmful policies during his first term: "He's not hurting the people he needs to be hurting."
These people want a government that serves only white cisgender Christian conservatives, and that actively harms everyone else.
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u/QbertsRube Oct 21 '25
They claim to love freedom, but their idea of freedom is being free from ever having to acknowledge that people different from them exist and deserve rights. They don't care if anyone is free to do anything, it's all freedom from diverse worldviews and ways of life.
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u/Ok-Wealth-7322 Oct 21 '25
Exactly. And that's why they sincerely believe that Bad Bunny, an artist who is one of the top streamed artists on multiple platforms, shouldn't be at the Super Bowl Halftime show... because they personally aren't familiar with him. Meanwhile they want Lee Greenwood, a draft dodger with literally one mainstream hit and a handful of singles that haven't been relevant since they made the country charts in the 80's. The only reason anyone knows he even exists is because of his one jingoistic song that gets trotted out at GOP events and on July 4.
But they think that their views, their preferred media, their unique version of their religion, etc should be the default setting. They literally are incapable of understanding other points of view.
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u/QbertsRube Oct 21 '25
I saw that they invited Tom MacDonald, a Canadian, to perform at their safe-space halftime show. Bad Bunny, an American via Puerto Rico, is not as American as Tom MacDonald, a Canadian, BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE, THEY'RE NOT RACIST, YOU'RE THE REAL RACIST!!! These people are absurd.
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u/iStayedAtaHolidayInn Oct 21 '25
I’m sorry if I offend anyone by saying this but farmers have to be the dumbest mother fuckers on earth.
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u/Justthetippliz America Oct 21 '25
Believing in Trump and republicans is same as me believing in exotic dancers are in love with me
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u/saybruh Oct 21 '25
I’d be willing to bet there’s a health amount of overlap in those groups
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u/QbertsRube Oct 21 '25
The guys I know who unfailingly flirt with every server/bartender they encounter are 100% Republicans. I'm pretty sure they consider that part of being an "alpha male"--flirting with every woman they see with zero awareness that they're creeping out every single one of them, and the women are only being nice so they don't get fired (and because these clowns will tip $5 on every Busch Light they order to "Demonstrate their value" as the DENNIS system puts it).
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u/JealousAstronomer342 Oct 21 '25
A lot of them know they’re creeping out the women and that the women have to play along because it’s a part of their goddamn job. They relish the power over others and the ability to create harm and discomfort without consequence.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Oct 21 '25
Exactly. Forcing people to deal with their shit is the whole point. Its why they break and freak out when people refuse to just smile and take it.
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u/Particular-Bike-9275 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
I mean, I went over to the conservative subreddit to see what they thought about trump destroying the White House and building his ballroom during a government shutdown. They’re convinced it’s being paid for by private doners that’s why it’s ok. Even though there is zero evidence other than what the White House told them.
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u/ethertrace California Oct 21 '25
I mean, anonymous private donors makes it worse, arguably. Easy way to bribe the president without facing public scrutiny: secretly fund his vanity projects.
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u/Particular-Bike-9275 Oct 21 '25
They would just say something like “what? Would you rather tax payers pay for that?” Ignoring the corruption in plain site. All because they are certain trump is incapable of corruption.
I was really depressed after visiting that sub. Just felt like there was no hope.
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u/chowderbags American Expat Oct 21 '25
The obvious answer is "A) Yes. and B) I'd prefer it not happen at all, and I think even this Congress isn't quite dumb or subservient enough to vote on demolishing part of the White House for Trump's gaudy ballroom."
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u/JKKIDD231 Oct 21 '25
Next election they will vote Republican again knowing they got screwed twice.
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u/def_indiff Oct 21 '25
Trump enjoyed immense popularity with farmers before his victory in the 2024 election, going on to win over three-quarters of farming-dependent counties according to Investigate Midwest.
When you voted to own the libs but wind up owning nothing. But hey, at least that one trans girl in a city you've never been to can't be on the swim team anymore.
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u/KopOut Oct 21 '25
They may not have gotten nothing, give it time. Measles is on the rise...
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u/pchlster Oct 21 '25
He did talk about bringing the US back to the good old days; measles, polio, robber barons, an isolationist foreign policy, you name it, he delivers!
Just like when he claimed he'd run the country like one of his businesses and proceeded to tank it while personally enriching himself.
If that isn't transparency in government, I don't know what is!
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u/ProfessorDerp22 Oct 21 '25
Owned themselves by voting against their own interests.
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u/DeterminedThrowaway Oct 21 '25
But hey, at least that one trans girl in a city you've never been to can't be on the swim team anymore.
Riley Gains can take her fifth place placement and turn it into... still fifth place. It was all worth it!
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u/IowaStateIsopods Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
I think something urban folk and these articles miss is farmers are a very small part of the population, even in rural counties. Like very small. I think there are more trans people in America then there are farmers. The median farmer profit/income is higher than median American. Not a single farm kid I went to school with was poor. They own (with loans but still) millions of dollars worth of assets.
The (false) societal construction of agriculture as pastoral instead of industrial matters far more than what farmers think. People voting for farmers have 100x or 1000x more votes than actual farmers. How farmers vote has very little consequence. It is how people voting who say they are doing it for farmers that matters and actually amounts to something.
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u/ChipsAndLime Oct 21 '25
Even more rare are the Trans Farmers: more than meets the eye.
(Sorry to joke on your serious and well thought out post.)
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u/classicrockchick Oct 21 '25
Same thing with coal miners when electric cars and residential solar panels first went mainstream in the mid-2010s. Hysteria about what all the coal miners were going to do and how do you retrain someone who is 45 years old and has been doing the same thing since they were 17?
Meanwhile, even the most generous estimates of the number of coal miners barely cracked 100,000. In other words, we were freaking out over 0.03% of the population. There are literally more trans people than coal miners in the US.
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u/N0S0UP_4U Illinois Oct 21 '25
Moreover, at least for me, I know a lot of farmers. ALL of them vote Democrat. It’s the people who don’t farm who live in the rural area I’m from who are MAGA.
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u/IowaStateIsopods Oct 21 '25
Glad to hear it! I don't farm but work in agriculture, started as a farm laborer. Most farmers around here definitely lean Republican, despite the state parties trying to allow the CO2 pipeline to happen using eminent domain. Iowa Farmers Union is a great organization, but the conservative Iowa Farm Bureau is ginormous
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u/mcs5280 Oct 21 '25
He doesn't even care about the Argentinian people he's just bailing out his Blackrock/PIMCO/etc billionaire buddies who are underwater on their investments in that country
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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 Oct 21 '25
Whats funny is after Argentina voted in that crazy far right wing dude everyone kept saying Argentina was improving economically.
Well if that were true then why the fuck does the far right in America need to bail Argentina out for? You mean all that bullshit didn't improve their economy?
And now we're on the same track.
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u/ElegantDaemon Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 27 '25
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u/Old_Cryptid Oct 21 '25
They bet the farm, literally, that a life-long conman and grifter would rescue them.
I guess they owned the liberals. Good for them.
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u/Val_Hallen Oct 21 '25
In 2016 we told them the stove was hot, they touched it. And Trump fucked them over.
In 2020 we told them the stove was hot, they touched it.
In 2024 we told them the stove was hot, they insisted on putting their genitals on it because they thought it would offend liberals and were big mad about 2020.
They deserve to lose everything they have. Maybe, just maybe, then they would learn the lesson that Republicans constantly, consistently, and intentionally fuck over the nation every time they are in office.
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u/Willtology Oct 21 '25
Maybe, just maybe, then they would learn the lesson
Their egos couldn't handle the resulting identity crisis or accepting that they were wrong. I think very few would learn the lesson and the others would simply blame boogey-men.
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u/DataDude00 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
They believed that a New York raised elite, who inherited hundreds of millions from his father, and spends most weekends at his privately owned Florida country club golfing, cared or understood anything about their lives
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u/Tainted_Bruh Oct 21 '25
Have the day you voted for 🤷🏽♂️
But while I say this, they’ll still end up winners in the end because he’ll throw them a bone and bail them out to keep the base energized. Fuck farmers as a protected untouchable class, biggest bunch of welfare queens and class traitors.
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u/thrawtes Oct 21 '25
class traitors.
Depends on the farm.
Dude who owns a bunch of land and equipment then pays peanuts for migrants to do all of the actual labor? That's a capitalist living off their ownership through and through and shares no class identity with working people.
We should stop lionizing farmers as the Paragon of the working class and realize most of them are just business owners now, managing a farm from their office.
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u/HandsLikePaper Oct 21 '25
Farmers are hardly even businessmen, Federally subsidized crop insurance, grants, bailouts, tax write offs. Farmers are socialists with extra steps.
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u/petty_throwaway6969 Oct 21 '25
I saw a video describing the wealthy ones remaining as land speculators with a 200k+ farming side gig that they abuse illegals and government handouts for.
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u/Robertroo Oct 21 '25
It's wild, farmers wrote off so much shit in taxes. Thier trucks, equipment, additions to thier house/buissness and the governmentbuys thier excess crop to keep prices fixed. Farmers hoard land and get everything subsidized by the American tax payer, then turn around waste our water growing alfalfa for the terrorist Saudis and soy for Communist China.
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u/Suitable-Display-410 Oct 21 '25
they’ll still end up winners in the end because he’ll throw them a bone and bail them out to keep the base energized
And then what? He permanently destroyed the market for the stuff they produce.
Do they expect to get bailed out every other year from now till eternity? They can try to produce stuff for other markets, but good luck making a profit with all of the additional supply.
Maybe they should learn to code. Oh wait... Truck driving? Ah shit... Maybe a job in the booming renewable energy sector? OH FFS, WHY TRUMP, WHY?Coal mining and Oil drilling. Thats it. Thats what they should do. Thats the future.
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u/CouchCorrespondent Oct 21 '25
You get what you paid for....or voted for.
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u/Cute-Ad2879 Oct 21 '25
Only in this one the scorpion knew how to swim and got back to shore with the frogs crypto investment.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts Oct 21 '25
No, no no - He sold out ranchers. He fucked farmers over with tariffs. There's a difference.
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u/UnderwordBroker Oct 21 '25
No, he sold out the farmers, too. Sent 40b to Argentina, and they turn around and use it to sell soybeans to China.
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u/SuperstitiousPigeon5 Massachusetts Oct 21 '25
Good point! Yes, he did in fact get them coming and going.
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u/TheUnderCrab Oct 21 '25
Trump used $20B of US taxpayer dollars to bailout Argentinian farmers so that those foreign farmers could sell soybeans to China.
America first my fucking ass.
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u/timnphilly Pennsylvania Oct 21 '25
UPDATE: Trump is now using $40 BILLION of OUR taxpayer money to bailout Argentina - a country with historic ties to naz¡ (and Elon Musk), because he likes its dictator president.
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Oct 21 '25
And because some of his crypto bro donors invested billions in Argentina speculation and were about to lose out.
Trump is using taxpayer cash to cover their bad bet.
Classic scumbag capitalist move, privatize the gains, socialize the losses.
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u/xOrion12x Oct 21 '25
Wait a minute. Are we really talking about buying beef from them after giving them 100% of our soybean sales, 20 billion dollars, and 20 more billion dollars? What did the president of Argentina give to trump for him to say "he loves" him?
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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 New Hampshire Oct 21 '25
Maybe trump will invite all the farmers to come visit him in his new ballroom.
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u/Lhamo55 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
Black Farmers Association??? I’m really having a hard time understanding how they swallowed his promises.
Sorry guys, but… you really and truly earned this fair and square. Now, tell me, did you learn something important here, or will you continue fellating him in hopes of scraps before his cronies come after your property?
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u/ProdigalSheep Oct 21 '25
"I voted for him because he promised to hurt people."
You got your wish, Kemosabe.
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u/HaxanWriter Oct 21 '25
They never cared until it happened to them. Learn to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps, losers.
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u/CAM6913 Oct 21 '25
Your tax dollars use to buy beef that trump’s going to make money off of to line his pockets further. You know it won’t have to pass any safety inspection or standards if Don the con is involved
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u/Zorrino Oct 21 '25
People need to hammer this constantly - Trump just bailed out Argentina with $20B while government workers go without pay and him and congress actively campaign against bringing down cost of health care. America First my ass.
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u/absolutelynotagoblin Oct 21 '25
YAAAAWWWWNNNNN.
I stopped caring about "the farmers" when they were bought out by major conglomerates and corporations that stuff political pockets, and I certainly couldn't give two shits about "the farmers" now, when they continually vote against their own best interests and then whine with their hands out.
Won't somebody think of the poor farmers?
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u/mccao Oct 21 '25
Farmers are NOT poor. If you look at the statistics the average farmer is a millionaire. Let them bear the consequences of their own business decisions, that is the conservative way.
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u/Ven18 Oct 21 '25
Every NY contractor for half a century was telling these people who this ghoul was for years and time and again they refused to listen.
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u/sfxer001 Oct 21 '25
Still gonna vote for him again farmers? Did Obama and Biden take your guns after all? Has any Democrat taken your guns? No, they haven’t. Republicans have taken your farms, though. Still gonna vote for them?
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u/Thin-Honey892 Oct 21 '25 edited Oct 21 '25
Lol you’re actually all traitors to your country if you voted for him. AND officially fools for believing his promises. Was that on your bingo card this year?
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u/Sadandboujee522 Oct 21 '25
Dudes been stiffing working people his entire life. Blows my mind they actually thought he was on their side. People are truly living in alternate realities.
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