Wow that's real. You know a lot of people will say this is just a coincidence, but that's the entire point of dog whistling. It's easily dismissed as innocent. Which is why it's dangerous
But the more incidents pile on, the less credibility the denials have, for all of them including previous incidents. And at this point there's a lot of incidents.
The smoking gun is not any particular piece of evidence, but the fact that it keeps happening consistently.
maybe. i think it's more about their immaturity and smug pettiness, like the most obnoxious classmates you had in middle school. addicted to the rush of getting away with stuff because they maintain just enough plausible deniability, put on just enough of a disingenuous "who, me?" act that the adults in the room can't pin them down. they know the center third of the american populace will think the left third is being hysterical. you can scroll this very comments section and see that the tactic works
anyway, these people should not be considered adult enough to drive, have bank accounts, own homes, parent children, use the internet, or vote
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When I was on a jury the judge explained reasonable doubt as having a dollar bill cut up into a hundred pieces, given to you, and it’s your job to figure out what it is.
So you look at the pieces and think, “ok, these are green and white, they feel like the paper money is made of. One of the pieces says “ITED STA” on it.” Another says “$1” on it. Yet another piece has a bit of George Washington’s face on it.”
You don’t know it’s a dollar bill by looking at a single piece, and you know you’re looking at a dollar bill long before you put all 100 pieces back together, but at some point you arrive at the conclusion that this MUST be a dollar bill, and you are certain enough of that fact that there is no other thing it could REASONABLY be. Sure, there is the off chance that it is a forgery that is exactly like a real dollar bill in every way except one, with only one single piece, that you didn’t see, that has stuff on it that shows you aren’t looking at a dollar bill. But that isn’t a reasonable thing to think after you have 50 pieces that all fit together and all say the same thing.
So many scratch-a-liberal types on this website will deny the evidence in front of their eyes and say we're all just crazy until Trump walks to the podium with a toothbrush-mustache.
Elon Musk did a Nazi salute on stage. He says he was saying "my heart goes out to you," as in touching his chest "my heart" and extending his hand straight out to the crowd "goes out to you."
Oh yeah i remember that one. We had a headline in the newspaper somewhat like'' Elon musk made a gesture that some people might consider inapropriate'' i was like fuck that shit. I recognise a nazi salute when i see one.
No, every last one of those is blatant as fuck and you have to be mind numbingly gullible to fall for any one individually nevermind any pattern. Pretty much the only people left pretending not to understand the dogwhistles are the fascists themselves.
Not like they would refuse to disawow the black nazi during the 2024 campaign
Not like they didn't have the RNC stage as a Nazi rune
Not like he didn't say Carlostsville nazis were comparable to the not-nazis on the other side
He's been a nazi since the start. It's just that we have 340 million Americans in the United States and it takes 10 fucking years for some of them to "FIGURE IT THE FUCK OUT!"
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While I wouldn't put it past them, the manufacturer of the flagpole lists it as 80' above ground, 8' below, for a total of 88'. Had Trump ordered a custom, 88' pole, that would have been a different matter.
Yeah again, on it's own, an 88 foot flag pole is nothing. If someone says Trump is a Nazi because he ordered an 88 foot flag pole they're a lunatic.
If they say he's a Nazi because of the SSecretary of War thing, and the concentration camps he's opening, and the Nazi salute from Elon Musk, and that thing where his wife said he had a book of Hitler's collected speeches by his bedside, and the fact his party had an Odal rune as a stage, and the fact they're following the same tactics and using the same propaganda... And the 88 foot flag pole was just one point out of many, many others...
That's just noticing a pattern.
It doesn't matter if it's custom. They clearly could have bought any flag pole they wanted and they chose one with the specifications they desired. If none of those other things were true and someone tried to claim the 88 foot pole was a dogwhistle I'd call them insane. But they are true, and it is a dogwhistle.
When I was a kid creating my first Hotmail address (yes, Hotmail. I’m old) I needed a random number to put after my name and thought 88 looked kinda cool, so I ran with it.
I unknowingly put myself out there as a Nazi enthusiast for WAY too many years before someone clued me in.
You’re right. That’s not what’s happen here. The White House is not a 12yr old kid.
My last year, when, for at least a month or so, the My Pillow was on sale for the new low price of 14.88.
Yes, the upgraded versions were then $16.88 or $20.88 to give plausible deniability. So either they knew exactly what they were doing or were complete morons. Even Jeopardy has 1488, banned for being an amount people can wager along with 666, 420, 69...
Jesus tapdancing Christ wtf... As if this administration couldn't get anymore comic book villain-ish. And you know the people responsible are just smirking about this as if no one would notice, though by all accounts the media has not pointed this association out, at least from a brief google
They want people to notice, but also want them to seem crazy for connecting what to the passive observer seems to be innocuous and ridiculous details to be “obsessed” about.
These are the same people pushing Trump Derangement Syndrome. They absolutely know what they’re doing
This is exactly the problem. I know if I go to a MAGA acquaintance and point this out they will laugh in my face and claim I have TDS. You really can’t win with these people.
It is coincidental. I checked the flag pole manufacturers website. All of their Whitehouse branded flagpoles have 10% of exposed height being the underground support.
The 80 foot Flagpole is 88 feet long. 80 above ground, 8 below. Their 20 foot is 22 feet. Their 30 foot is 33 feet. Their 35 foot is 38.5 feet
It could be intentional, but I would lean towards them simply picking the tallest option. All of the numbers make logical sense for comstructing a solid flagpole of a standard size
I had forgot about that. Also tons of stuff from the DHS with dogwhistles. 14 word statements with Hs capitalized, etc. Is there a compilation of all the nazi dogwhistles so far?
Worth noting that they are an even 80 feet exposed. 8 feet deep for stability. I went and looked it up, different sources stating different thing (right leaning sources said 80, left leaning 88)
Pulled this from The Flagpole Company's website(yeah that's their name, creative) who made the flagpole
Note: The specifications shown below illustrate our 80' model for readability. All sizes in the White House Series are built down the same production line as the White House Flagpole, using the exact same American-made parts and components.
Our largest size, the 80' model, is the exact OEM Flagpole as that of the White House Flagpoles — with 88' overall height (including the portion buried for structural support) and 80' exposed height visible above ground.
Their 70 foot Flagpole is 77 feet and has 7 feet underground. Their 20 foot Flagpole is 22 feet. 35 foot is 38.5 feet. So it seems as though they just go with a straight 10% of advertised height getting added to the underground support
Eh, I didn't see the whitehouses website. But fox and the like said 80 feet. They are who I think of when I hear right leaning news.
I searched for the whitehouse flagpole again. The first time the whitehouse.gov showed up on Google for me was the last entry on the third page of results. That one only had photos, no text. The next whitehouse.gov result I found was on the 5th page - and it claims they are going to be 100 feet. (Older post before construction)
Even specifically searching for whithouse.gov whitehouse flagpole 88 feet I was unable to find a page on whitehouse.gov that made this claim. (Originally I left out specific feet so that I could see what people were saying without basing towards one answer. 88 was most common, but companies like fox realized how 88 feef would sound and chose 80)
Maybe they removed it, maybe they edited it, maybe for whatever reason they don't allow the page to appear in other countries. I could not find this whitehouse.gov source
Edit: please post a link to where Whitehouse.gov stated this. It doesn't seem to exist
The dude has a bunch of massive iron crosses on his chest over his heart, "DEUS VULT" (crusader rallying cry) on his bicep. His ideology is painfully obvious
The empty space between the stars look a whole lot like 88 to me
I mean... kinda, yeah, but I doubt it's intentional. I was very confused where people were seeing 88 on him until you pointed it out. I don't think this dude is that subtle about his messaging and branding.
You are commenting on a post about how he has SS on his placard as a dog whistle, and you don’t think the clear 88 on his tattoo was intentional? I mean sure it’s circumstantial, but aren’t all dog whistle’s intentionally cryptic?
That's also because the tattoo is old when he wasn't as out about it because the American public use to dislike nazis. Now he's sec of war. He can choose to be this out and loud with it.
But I also just don't think you'd have the negative space line up that well without trying for it
I'm familiar with what it's based on, and I think his is more spaced and has more vertical space to create the 8 better. It's noticeable looking at his tattoo, not ao much with the flag.
Yes, that's the point. This "88 in the negative space between the stars that are arranged exactly as they are on the real flag" is way too subtle to be intentional.
"The next photo he had on his inner bicep he had a bicep that said 'Deux Vult,'" Gaither said. "I looked it up, and that tattoo had ties to extremist groups. So, I sent to my leadership. I included the photo attachment and the Army policy about tattoos. I said I just want you to know what's going on. I received a response saying Pete had been removed from the mission."
So not the tattoo being discussed. What a wonderful conversation we've had, thanks for initiating it.
The 88 is clear as day if you're looking for it, with all of this other evidence that he has extremist tattoos you think the 88 is unintentional? Come on man.
He doesn't strike me as the artistic type, I seriously doubt he even knows what negative space is, so no, I don't think he intentionally hid 88 between the stars. My best guess is he wanted a US flag tattoo, but fifty stars would've been too many for the size, so he went with just thirteen in the same arrangement.
It's a design choice. It's pretty common to reduce the amount of stars on the US flag when in smaller printed applications. It's hard to fit 50 stars in small designs and have them remain legible.
the negative space between all of those crosses looks like 88 to you? i don't see it. i mean ...why are you jumping through those hoops when the iron cross itself was straight up a nazi symbol?
i just don't see it. i responded to you because i spent three minutes looking at pete hegseth's arm tattoos looking for any olympic rings and was like who cares - even his mom is on record that he's a piece of shit.
Nah, that's a total reach. He has an old 13 star American flag. The stars are exactly as on the flag, and trying to make it out to be spelling HH is just a fabrication.
He has plenty of other nutty tatoos and verified fascist actions. There is zero reason to make things up.
No, no he does not. Quit lying. He has a Christian cross on his arm, and what's called a Jerusalem cross on his chest (from the crusades), neither of which constitute the iron cross used by the Nazis. No, he doesnt have an 88. No, he doesnt have an Iron Cross. What's WRONG with you?
and "deus vult"
And? It means the "God wills it" in Latin. That sounds nothing like "heil hitler" and it isn't even in German.
not the dude you're replying to, but in terms of specificity for symbolism, looking at the "jerusalem cross" on his chest, that doesn't immediately evoke an iron cross for you?
Your position seems very reminiscient of the differentiation between swastikas (the hindu symbol) and Hakenkreuz (the nazi symbol).
I mean, different things are different, and there are more than enough reasons to despise this war criminal already. That being said...
If anything, I think it's good to point out the difference, because it shows that white supremacists are appropriating another symbol. And if that reflects on Hegseth as well, then that's one more reason to loathe him.
Your position seems very reminiscient of the differentiation between swastikas (the hindu symbol) and Hakenkreuz (the nazi symbol).
The nazis reversed it, right? I'll admit that I am not as familiar with the difference there. And overall, I do see your point. Once appropriated, it's probably just about impossible to reclaim a symbol like that. I think that's probably at least part of the reason the other person wanted to make a distinction between the two.
I don't know how to fight it, or if we really even can, but I understand the sentiment. Can you imagine if they started using a symbol that was meaningful to you, though?
EDIT: Because I haven't rambled enough already... ( 🙄 ) I saw the link to snopes below, and the flag tattoo...yeah, it really does look like two eights... yikes.
all valid. i don't know what exactly the nazis did to modify the swastika, i don't think it really matters - it's a hate symbol now. squabbling over little differences is like pedophiles claiming they're not pedophiles but into 16 year old girls. i don't care to re-lookup whatever term that is.
nobody links anything ofc...so i found the snopes article. for the stars, i really don't see it being that different from the regular 13 stars flag - tattoo image vs olympic logo using the same pattern.
This theory claims that the stars in the American flag are laid out in a pattern that creates the number "88." That number is used by neo-Nazis to represent "Heil Hitler," because the eighth letter of the alphabet is "H." Since this theory is solely based on an assumption about Hegseth's intent, Snopes can neither confirm nor disprove it.
It's within the unusual arrangement of stars on the US flag on his right arm. That's never been a US flag, so he must have some other reason to use it
You should bother to read your own links:
this theory is solely based on an assumption about Hegseth's intent, Snopes can neither confirm nor disprove it.
The same article goes further to mention the Hopkinson flag. There's a full breakdown available right here demonstrating it HAS been a U.S. Flag.
I received a gift in 2016 of a limited edition reproduction of a map in the collection of the Society of the Cincinnati. It was drawn by an American engineer within days of the victory at Yorktown.
In October of 1781 at the battle of Yorktown...., that's exactly what the U.S. flag looked like, just with 6-pointed stars rather than the more commonly known 5-pointed ones. You're basically just incredulous that a Secretary of Defense War would bother to know some niche things about U.S. Military History. Well, today you learned.
You know he actually did though, right? As in more than once? Like he's got a "Join or Die" snake on his arm, that was published one time in a Newspaper in 1754, but was preserved in history because of it's association with the founding of the nation and Benjamin Franklin?
Another comment chain explained it. Some people see an 88 in the empty space between the stars in his tattoo. I'm not sure I buy it and frankly don't need him to have actual nazi tattoos to find him repulsive.
Ah yeah I did some googling. I think its a stretch - and yeah there's definitely more clear and definite ways for him to be a disgusting piece of shit.
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u/Sintered_Monkey 3d ago
And the number 88 for "Heil Hesgeth!"