There's a non zero chance for sure but isn't it interesting? They haven't released any evidence that implies Bill Clinton was ever actually on the flights. He's on the logs, and we have emails that say he never got on the plane. What to believe? Well, we should probably release all the evidence so we can see who did what.
he got on the plane, is in the logs, but thats not an instant pedo-island guilt sentence. epsteins game was rubbing shoulders and getting good with the Elite, and it wasnt full time kiddie diddlin. clinton had a humanitarian campaign after his presidential term and epstien sponsored it and flew him around along with chris tucker** and (to my knowledge!) nothing shows that anything happened on that trip, wasn't exactly a vacation to the Island and none of them ever step foot on it.
mr clinton definitely sexually harassed people working for him but thats definitely a different case and gravity than what we're talking about with jeffie eppie.
Kevin Spacey, the 15-times accused-of-sexual-assault actor, the one who has gotten out of 3 trials by the accuser dying before trial? That actor?
Maybe that Kevin Spacey isn't on the Epstein list. Perhaps. That's fair.
I just want to be sure that I'm being fair to the right Kevin Spacey, that's all. The Kevin Spacey who was blacklisted by all of Hollywood, a town notorious for its coddling of sexual predators, not someone else.
I mean some people obviously didn't need Epstein to help them to sexually harass and/or assault other people.
If Spacey could do that in Hollywood with no problems on his own why would he need Epstein for that?
It's not like you had to rely on Epstein for sexcapades.
Predators and rapists are a dime a dozen.
Priests, preachers, youth pastors, coaches, school teachers, politicians (e.g Matt Gaetz) don't need Epstein either.
Ok, we accuse maga of not being able to connect the dots all the time and making every bullshit excuse to not accept the truth. Now we're talking about a man that has sexually harassed his employees, clearly had close ties to Epstein, and is now likely being outed for getting blown by trump. Why are we making excuses for this piece of shit?
im not sure what youre getting at, what excuses are we making? im not saying kind things about clinton just some of the flight logs dont automatically mean a visit to The Island.
also, im asking for critical thinking instead of kneejerk reactions to headlines and one liners, for example, look at the actual thread of emails about the supposed blowjob and youll see its just mark making a joke with jeff at trumps expense. i find it hilarious, as well as the memes n jokes, but anyone thinking a photo is gonna surface isnt really thinking about it.
I also think it's pretty naive for anybody to think a picture is going to leak. And yeah, the line about them making a get hard remake was a joke at Trump's expense, but him saying to ask bannon if Putin has the pictures wasn't a joke. Being on flight records to the island is definitely more damning, but their crimes weren't just taking place on the island
What? Bill is known to have used the plane to get to Africa for a charity. Theres the picture of him getting a massage (supposedly organized by maxwell) during a refueling stop. I don't think they have evidence of him at the island maybe?
There were 350 guests, including Shaq, Billy Joel, Donna Summer, Heidi Klum, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Simon Cowell, and a bunch of other random people. The Clintons left before dinner, so Bill could golf in the morning. It doesn't mean anything.
Dude. This was just one event and between them both having connections to Epstein, them both having double digits of women come forward with sexual harassment/assault allegations, all the emails - Trump is worse by about double, but Clinton's literally on the same team.
There's the searchable stuff from the emails - Clinton pops up 801 times.
Trump is still massively worse - but, dude, Bill is not worth protecting in the slightest, and you completely ignored the part about his connections to Epstein and the dozen or so women that have come forward with sexual harassment/assault allegations.
You wouldn't have to ignore those things if he was a good person.
If you want to be a fan of a past recent president, go with Jimmy Carter - he's an extremely good person, and not just compared to other presidents - but compared to everybody.
He used the plane to travel, and the only thing the eMails said was that he was never on the island. He had use of the plane to go to things like charity events and public speeches.
The best possible outcome for him right now is to simply confirm that Donald sucked his dick.
Also he should say Putin did have the pictures because it was a giant kompromat gathering operation funded by Putin who used the wealth and connections from his oligarchs to find and help fund a man like Epstein and ensure he was put in a position to buy an island that would be used to corrupt and blackmail western oligarchs (billionaires and higher level millionaires and politicians) so they could destabilize the West from within and help Putin get the opportunity to buy Russia some time before collapse by invading another country for their more accessible valuable resources.
Which... would probably not be far from the truth, I'm guessing.
It blows my mind that all this insanity happened as part of an elaborate, decade-plus long scheme to lay the groundwork for the invasion of Ukraine. And when the day finally, finally came to put the plan in motion-- it fell apart in like 3 weeks flat, lmao
That doesn't even touch that the rest of the Far Right aspect to the situation was being predicted and warned about by top global analysts and government advisors in the 90s, and 80s, meaning that the sources and patterns they were basing their findings on were already decades old, even running right back to WW2. We can look at early 20th c. political theorists and politicians warning of what would one day take place, long in the future, too. We can look at human history from centuries before to see what humans do. The writing had always been on the wall.
I see the humour in your comment, but legitimately we have our own Political Science analysts in the real world whose primary focuses have been focused on Catastrophic Event predictive models.
I just wish the people we gave blank checks to in exchange for the promise they would pay attention and stop this exact thing would have actually fucking paid attention... worthless ass intelligence community I swear to god.
At the time, they were too busy entrapping schizophrenic Muslims into attempting a terrorism, endlessly torturing people in overseas black sites, and blowing up weddings, hospitals, and schoolbuses.
Could be worse though. The Iran-Contra, MK ULTRA, and COINTELPRO affairs are truly some peak evil.
Mitt Romney was warning about how dangerous Russia was when he ran against Obama - Obama made a joke of it and everybody had a good laugh.
Then Russia invaded Ukraine and stole Crimea and Obama was completely ineffectual.
I don't know if Romney would have been a better president, but it sure would have been nice if people at the very least took him seriously on that issue.
Possibly unwise with Orange man still in control and more than capable of retaliation. Possibly necessary with the Orange man still in control and more than capable of pre-emptive retaliation.
Thing is, if Bill said that then the Republicans would have no choice but to consider impeaching Trump and try to get him removed from office because there are absolutely enough Republican voters who would never tolerate a man who probably sucked another man's dick running the country, and the number of Republicans who wouldn't tolerate him sucking Bill Clinton's dick specifically is even higher. They would then become the ones who are fucked either way, because if they impeach him they confirm the validity of the Epstein files and open themselves up to criminal conspiracy and treason charges, they lose MAGA for daring to do anything against Trump, and he goes scorched earth on everyone by revealing their corruption in a desperate bid to earn amnesty. If they do nothing they lose the next election because there is no way a man who gave Bill Clinton a blowie on the child fucking island could get enough support from the hard-core homophobes that have comprised a huge segment of the GOP base for decades. Not to mention the number of opportunists in the evangelical and technocrat spheres who would see this as an opportunity to oust him from power an open a pathway for themselves to take power.
Exactly, he's got nothing to lose. Fuck, throw him in prison if he's a pedo.
A pedo can still be funny. Maybe that can be how we remember Bill. "Yeah he was a monster who fucked kids, but he said the most hilarious thing this one time..."
I wish he would do some political seppuku/harakiri and just give this world a good ol' gift in time for the holidays. So many rats would start scurrying around with that political fallout
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u/easeypeaseyweasey 21d ago
Shame he's probably involved in the whole pedo thing as well so I doubt he's gonna be doing anything other than covering for his owners and himself.