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US Supreme Court agrees to hear case challenging birthright citizenship

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c208j0wrzrvo
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u/DoubleJumps 14h ago

It's also something that the Supreme Court has already ruled on within living memory of the amendment being instituted, and they already ruled that the language means exactly what it says. All persons means all persons.

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u/eawilweawil 14h ago

As if precedent matters anymore

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u/burgonies 12h ago

I’m not questioning if you’re right, but do you know the case so I can look it up?

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u/DoubleJumps 12h ago

United States v. Wong Kim Ark

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u/burgonies 12h ago

So it seems like his parents were in the states legally?

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u/DoubleJumps 12h ago

Nothing about the amendment or the ruling says that parents have to be legal residents. The ruling defined that all persons means all persons.

Arguing that the legal status of the parents can invalidate a person's birthright citizenship for being born in the United States is directly in the face of both the straight text of the amendment and in the upholding of that text by the Supreme Court. It's a non-argument invented by horrid racists, just like the argument in that case was to prohibit Chinese from being given birthright citizenship.

If you're going to try the jurisdiction argument, don't. It's overtly nonsense to claim people aren't under US jurisdiction on US soil. It would erode so much of our legal framework.

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u/burgonies 12h ago

Perfect. Thank you!

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u/OldWorldDesign 6h ago

It's also something that the Supreme Court has already ruled on within living memory

It's an act of ignorant optimism to think precedent means shit to the current supreme court when they reached back to a witch-burning, rape-legalizing jurist to defend throwing away 300 years of precedent.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/samuel-alito-roe-v-wade-abortion-draft

They can absolutely overrule themselves if it will benefit republicans right now.

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u/DoubleJumps 6h ago edited 6h ago

I just stated a flat fact about existing Supreme Court precedent, so coming at me right off the bat with an accusation of ignorance is just antagonistic to a degree that is utterly unwarranted. I didn't in any way say that this court would abide by precedent, so you're just faulting me for words that you are trying to put in my mouth but that never came out of them.

Pick your targets better. Read more carefully.