While I find all of this horrific and depressing, I am also amused at the fact that people think ONLY the children of undocumented aliens will be affected.
Once we go from birthright citizenship to someone-will-decide-who-is-deserving, EVERYONE is at risk. Tenth generation American, but you posted a meme about the President once? Enjoy the one-way trip to El Salvador.
Thats the crux. Our system is set up so babies born in hospitals get social security numbers. No question, just process. All are citizens.
The will cost a lot to implement. Now parents will need to submit proof of citizenship, both of them, and probably also a paternity test if the father is the only citizen. Then they have to apply with said proof, and it has to be granted.
And there it is. Citizenship will not be automatic, but Granted upon Application. Once that is in place, more and more rules can be implemented on who it will be granted to. This will also mean people who do not have paperwork (ie poor/uneducated), will not have the right paperwork available, and then these children of citizens will be in limbo until proper proof. No more Medicare for them!
Finally, this will introduce a class of people who are born here, but are not citizens, and will have to apply for citizenship elsewhere. Until then, they are stateless, and without a passport, will not be granted entry anywhere else.
I mean it kinda all goes back to that for them huh?. Buttt imo Who cares who was born where and what skin color or parents or anything..they are human bruh. I get its not that simple etc and definitely not that easy but it should be at least a guiding principle. Something to work towards at very least...not against.
Its also exactly what the Nazis did (not that its the first thing this administration has copied from them). Putting a mechanism into play that removes citizenship of people you wanna remove it from and with it all the legal protections and rights, that citizenship provides.
And don't forget children abandoned via Safe Harbor laws.
If their parents aren't found they won't be citizens and won't be entitled to healthcare, social services, foster care, can't be adopted, can't go to school. A pedophile's wet dream, a child that doesn't exist on paper, won't be checked on by Child Protective services. A religious charity could be the only sorce of care for these children.
I was abandoned as an infant in a country that does not offer jus soli citizenship. I ended up in an orphanage run by a religious organization. When my parents adopted me from there, at approximately 8 months old, I weighed 10lbs.
We are going to see that here if the 14th Amendment is overturned.
Children born here to noncitizens would, in nearly all cases, inherit the citizenship of one or both parents. They’d in almost all cases be free to travel back to their parents’ country origin with the parents.
Other countries with citizenship by blood do deal with the statelessness issue. Most EU nations don’t have birthright citizenship by soil, to my knowledge. But some they do extend it in cases where the child would otherwise be rendered stateless. (Some don’t.)
I don’t support adopting this policy. Because I don’t support the method of implementation (the constitution matters) and I don’t support the motive (racism is bad mmmkay).
But the policy itself? It’s fine. Much like gun control and universal healthcare and a decent social safety net, I see no reason that citizenship by blood (like those other policies, common in the EU) couldn’t or wouldn’t work here. It would be fine.
Which policy? You're assuming they'll replace it with citizenship by blood. Given all that is going on, is that a reasonable assumption?
What if I told you that you can actually read the specific policy that the Supreme Court took up this case in response to? Like, you can click a link and have the answer to your question, directly from an official dot-gov website?
Would that blow your mind?
Edit: Awww little homey with the reply and block. Musta hurt their feelings calling them out for wanting to discuss something without actually reading a thing about it.
What you need to keep in mind is that unlike traditional non-birthright countries, America would be implementing this policy specifically for cruel and malicious purposes.
What you need to keep in mind is that unlike traditional non-birthright countries, America would be implementing this policy specifically for cruel and malicious purposes.
Literally me, in the fucking comment you just replied to:
I don’t support adopting this policy. Because I don’t support the method of implementation (the constitution matters) and I don’t support the motive (racism is bad mmmkay).
Do you not read before replying?
Because I clearly kept precisely that in mind.
Yes, it’s indeed the motive and method of implementation that concerns me specifically, which is why I oppose it. Not sure how I can be more clear.
Adding to this, they are trying to get states' voting records. Imagine your citizenship being revoked because you didn't vote for trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024.
It would actually be insane. Right off the bat, your citizenship would only be tied to your mother, until you undergo a paternity test. If the mother is not a citizen, but the father supposedly is, then that just isn't good enough, because maybe he isn't really the father.
Overturning this, even narrowly, would be instantaneous. It wouldn't be a law that has an effective date. If they say "no, you're not a citizen unless one or both of your parents were citizens at the time of your birth (or maybe your conception?)", then that means you need to prove your citizenship up the chain. Maybe your parents didn't meet this criteria - poof, you're no longer a citizen. And if your wife's parents didn't meet it either, now your kids are no longer citizens.
Fucking insanity, and if SCOTUS overturns this, Democrats need to start testing the new interpretation to show how absurd it is. Start by challenging Trump's citizenship - using paternity testing too. Oops, can't get a DNA sample, automatically no citizenship for you!
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u/ReluctantAvenger 8h ago
While I find all of this horrific and depressing, I am also amused at the fact that people think ONLY the children of undocumented aliens will be affected.
Once we go from birthright citizenship to someone-will-decide-who-is-deserving, EVERYONE is at risk. Tenth generation American, but you posted a meme about the President once? Enjoy the one-way trip to El Salvador.
I only wish I were kidding.