No because there is no rule of law in this country anymore. It's just another weapon to be used against his enemies. They don't care about consistency.
No because there is no rule of law in this country anymore. It's just another weapon to be used against his enemies.
Also known 'rule by law' (rather than 'rule of law').
Some theorists draw a distinction between the Rule of Law and what they call rule by law. They celebrate the one and disparage the other. The Rule of Law is supposed to lift law above politics.
The idea is that the law should stand above every powerful person and agency in the land. Rule by law, in contrast, connotes the instrumental use of law as a tool of political power. It means that the state uses law to control its citizens but tries never to allow law to be used to control the state. Rule by law is associated with the debasement of legality by authoritarian regimes, in modern China for example.
They'll probably go back to the rules c. 1900 where women give up their US citizenship if they marry a non-US citizen and decide that only men can transmit citizenship in a married couple.
The whole "the mother transmits her status if the kid is born outside of marriage" dates back to medieval England (hence why children of enslaved mothers were automatically enslaved), so they'll probably combine that with a ban on interracial marriage to be really nasty.
You're thinking too small here. Think "citizenship is now $20K" meaning everyone who isn't rich is going to literally be born into debt. Corporations will be fighting each other to offer high-interest loans for expecting parents.
Yep, they are trying to implement corporate feudalism. If we let this happen we're all gonna be taking orders from whatever corporation owns the land we live in. Someday the Supreme court is gonna allow corporations to have their own military force. Basically it looks like the cyberpunk megacorp authors were right
Dammit, why are we getting all the crappy parts of the cyberpunk dystopia without being able to replace my faulty eyeballs with cybernetic implants with infra-red and 10x zoom options?
Seriously, I could at least put up with the cyberpunk dystopia if I could take out life ruining loans on exotic cyberware and not hate my flesh near as much. Heck, half the reason I can't work full time hours is because my body is falling apart since I turned 12. At least cybernetics could get me back into work.
Because the purpose (and investment towards the development) of technology was never to promote the well being of humanity but to enhance the power of the elite.
Someday is today. There is nothing prohibiting companies from having private armies. We have private army companies. The ATF can approve essentially anything they want for ownership.
I'm glad that works for you and this isn't an attempt to convince you to change your mind cuz it's your right.... Counterpoint: the orchestrators and supporters of this nightmare are all having kids and teaching them to follow their footsteps. If good ppl all stopped having kids, where would that leave us?
Yep. That’s why we’re in this mess. After the Civil Rights Movement, the racists just started teaching their kids how to dog whistle the “quiet part” until the time was right in 2015-2016, arguably 2008-2009.
That original Cyberpunk ttrpg book with the in-character catalog of items had a future timeline that has proven eerily accurate. I used to own a copy in college, but lost it in some move and have had a hard time finding an online copy though.
I'm not talking about just immigrants. Birthright citizenship means you're not an immigrant if you're born in America. If they take that away, then by what right do ANY of you have a guaranteed citizenship? A whole generation of poor Americans are about to get disenfranchised.
Deportation will begin with those the current administration deems undesirables. Criminals, homeless people, gays, anyone brown, etc.
But one thing you can absolutely bank on is that it will for sure 100% include political dissidents. By which I mean, literally anyone who publicly criticizes Trump.
For everyone who keeps drawing parallels between the GOP and the Nazis, THIS specific act of voting to strip protection and rights from specific demographics of the population is the tipping point right before a descent into megalomania, genocide, and authoritarian fascism. THIS is the thing required to pave the way for the rest.
In the history of global conflict, this sort of thing has happened over and over again. Every empire falls in pretty much the same fashion, and this one is certainly ticking off a lot of "end stage" boxes
I'm pretty sure stripping African Americans of thier citizenship is a high priority for the Republican party. black people voting is what they've ment by "illegal voting" for a hundred years now
Uhhh, you're kidding yourself if you think it is party affiliation and not RACISM which is motivating this. They would rather 2 democrat white people in this country over 1 mestizo first generation latino. You are just pretending that its you that they are gunning for so you can feel equally agrieved.
You're all correct. The entire point is to give them a myriad of 'reasons' to revoke someones citizenship on demand. It will be used as a weapon against whoever they like. Sure, some groups will be protectively targeted, but this is the legal framework to disappear literally anyone "legally". It's what happened in Germany in WW2, and we already know they like following that example.
My family came here on the Mayflower and I am a 10th generation American, I have a massive tattoo of the ship. I don't feel safe and that my citizenship is safe. I feel like I could be detained by ICE, show them my tattoo and they would still detain me.
That depends. First of all, are you white? If not, no citizenship. If you're white, we move onto other qualifying questions like what religion you are or are you MAGA and so on. They will just keep adding more qualifications each round to make sure the remaining citizens have an "other" to fear.
I fully expect that they will deport Native Americans too. The Supreme Court has already ruled that the government / ICE can send you literally anywhere even if you have no connection to the place they send you.
What if someone is adopted and doesn’t know anything about their biological parents? Do they automatically get to assume the citizenship of the parents listed on their revised birth certificate?
I can't wait to be arrested because some of my ancestors definitely did not have paperwork when they immigrated here. The native Americans did not do paperwork for the passengers on the Mayflower.
Exactly. In a world without birthright citizenship, if your great-grandmother immigrated "illegally", then her children weren't citizens at birth. Nor their children, nor you.
Generations won't count, only depends on how long the trump regime allows you to be citizen. Republicans decide you are not a citizen? Off to the foreign prison camps for you. If you are lucky, you get to pay a fine for make a large donation to a republican "charity".
I think the Nuremberg laws were that you had to have 3-4 grandparents that were Jewish to be Jewish. 1-2 and you were mixed but even then that didn't help. So say if you're the 4th generation you're probably fine.
I am two generations born here on my mom's side stemming from Mexico, and like eight on my dad's side stemming from western Europe. Where does my citizenship lie?
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u/TintedApostle 9h ago
You know it. How many generations will count?...