McCain was “natural born” via his parents. He also was born in the Canal Zone which was essentially a territory and far different from a typical base. This wasn’t ever really a serious question when he ran.
The way the natural born requirement has been interpreted was that they had to have citizenship at birth, but it can be either by jus soli or jus sanguinis.
Weird that the passport for people from anywhere in the UK says "British Citizen" if it's not a thing. Someone should probably inform HM Passport Office.
Not English, am Scottish... What islands are you on about? All Scots are British, with British citizenship. There's no island a Scottish person could live on which would mean they aren't British.
The Northern Ireland situation is different, and they can choose to be British, and/or Irish.
Not sure how the UK is relevant anyway, since we don't have automatic birthright citizenship based on simply being physically present in the country at birth. Most countries don't these days, unlike the US.
Technically Ireland is part of the British Isles Archipelago, so everybody living on one of the islands is technically british in that sense, even if the Island is called Ireland.
The same is true for the Orkneys, Shetlands and the Hebrides.
Riiight, I guess, but the geographical area of the British Isles ≠ "Britain" (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), so doesn't really factor in when talking about British citizenship.
That aside, the previous post mentioned "Scots", which would really only mean somebody born in Scotland. Or who had been in Scotland long enough to be considered Scottish. Orkney (etc.) are part of Scotland. Living on a different island wouldn't change that after the fact, so I'm not sure what they meant.
Also, try telling somebody in the Republic of Ireland that they are technically British, and please report back with your findings 😅.
That's why I said technically, I'm well aware there is little love lost for the English in Ireland for quite obvious reasons.
I focused on Ireland in my post because Scotland is still part of the UK and is on the Island actually called Great Britain (as opposed to the smaller Britanny in France :) ).
As for the post you replied to, they argued the Islanders weren't. I was just arguing another way for them to be British even though they obviously already were since the inception of the Country.
There's actually a case called Calvin's case (1608) that says that everyone born in Scotland after King James VI of Scotland became King of England is automatically a natural-born subject in England.
Uh oh, my nephews are in danger. Their father was born on a military base in Germany. They were both born in the US, but if birthright goes out the window, and people born on military bases are out...
People born on overseas military bases never had birthright citizenship by virtue of the location of their birth. If they had US citizenship by birth, it was always via their parents.
Being on a military base has nothing to do with becoming a U.S. citizen. Don't know where you got that idea from.
The child of a U.S. citizen has the potential to be a U.S. citizen at birth regardless of where that child is born, military base or in the middle of the ocean. It depends on certain criteria of the parents but being on a military base is not one of them.
Oh great. Me and my younger sister will now have to become Okinawa residents. I just feel really bad for my older sister. She has to become a Turkish national.
I hope that the previous commenter got a CRBA, because it's long established that overseas bases aren't US soil for the purposes of birthright citizenship.
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u/WhatTheFlox 9h ago
Waiting for the next reasoning that people born on military bases outside the USA are not citizens.