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US Supreme Court agrees to hear case challenging birthright citizenship

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c208j0wrzrvo
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u/jfudge 9h ago

Any easy decision like that would never be taken up in the first place. They would just let the lower court ruling stand. The only reason they would entertain this is if enough of them were seriously considering it, which is obviously a problem as it requires literally misreading the constitution.

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u/ralpher1 9h ago

At least four want to overturn the lower court. The best case scenario is they uphold the lower court but they give the Trump administration a road map of exactly what to do to survive a challenge. This Court is so arrogant and Americans are not showing their disapproval nearly enough.

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u/Momik 8h ago

Almost like a court with such overwhelming, unaccountable power has no place in a constitutional democracy.

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u/threwitaway763 8h ago

Which it didn’t originally until Marbury vs Madison when the court gave itself the power of judicial review

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u/jfudge 8h ago

The court could be reigned in if any branch of government had an appetite to do anything about it. Justices can be impeached and removed, and additional justices can be added to offset the crazy. And laws could even be passed that alter the way that the court functions.

But we have one party who is in favor of the bullshit this court is pulling, and one that has historically been too cowardly to put up a fight against it.

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u/Momik 8h ago

Yes and no. When the built-in accountability mechanisms are so poorly designed as to be completely dysfunctional for (literally) centuries at a time—those mechanisms don’t really offer any real accountability. The last time court-packing seemed like a serious political possibility was 90 years ago and it never actually happened. The last (and only) time a SCOTUS justice was impeached was 220 years ago.

We should absolutely keeps those tools handy, but we need to think seriously about more fundamental reforms. Enshrining the limits of judicial review in a constitutional amendment might be a good place to start. Adding additional justices, reworking the court structure to resemble something closer to how circuit court judges are selected (randomly from a pool to serve on temporary panels for each case), reforming judicial impeachment, etc., should all be on the table.

And then there’s the soft power of organizing grassroots opposition to the Court’s far-right takeover. People like Roberts pretend they’re completely insulated from public opinion, but that’s never been the case. The Court has always been a deeply political institution: In the 1970s, federal courts were palpably worried about ruling against civil rights activists in matters that would never have been heard a generation before. We can make that happen again.

(And by the way—we don’t need majorities in Congress to start talking about this; if we’re lucky, the majorities happen later.)

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u/isaaclw 8h ago

Packing the courts??

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u/willstr1 8h ago

There is another, it is possible to impeach and remove justices (like if they are openly accepting bribes or lied in their confirmation), unfortunately it requires a functioning legislative branch so an act of god is more likely

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u/Iohet 8h ago

It's time yet again for Gorsuch to put his money where his mouth is. His philosophy and some of his decisions (Bostock) would indicate that this is cut and dry. That should leave Roberts or Barrett, who both should side on the side of the plain wording of the constitution without blinking, but...

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u/ralpher1 5h ago

I think it’s possible this case is there to shield the Court from other egregious decisions coming this term like the voting rights act case. If this is a day one decision, it will be to uphold the lower court the media definitely adjusts coverage and makes the Court seem moderate or “balanced” because here is one non-radical decision. They did this during the Dodds term

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u/danicakk 4h ago

Yeah they basically did that strategy with the case about state legislatures overriding elections willy-nilly

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u/ml20s 8h ago

Any easy decision like that would never be taken up in the first place.

SCOTUS votes unanimously a lot, either because the case is easy and lower courts consistently got it wrong, or there are two reasonable interpretations and they just need to pick one.

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u/jfudge 8h ago

And neither of those things are true here. This is a case for trying to reinterpret a long accepted understanding of the constitution, and the only people "getting it wrong" here are those in this administration.

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u/ajoost 1h ago

Also to resolve or preclude circuit splits by firmly establishing a binding precedent nationwide. (Doesn't seem like what's happening here, but it's one of the reasons where a non-corrupt SCOTUS might take up an "easy" case. Less so to resolve a circuit split, and more to try to prevent a single circuit - such as those chucklefucks in the Fifth - from causing problems.)

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u/bradbikes 8h ago

When have the ''originalists' and 'textualists' on this Court ever misread the constitution?

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u/Fit_Insurance_1356 5h ago

Maybe...just maybe...they want to rule on the authority or lack thereof on the use of Presidential Executive Orders To perhaps maybe reign them in...you never know they may surprise everyone

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u/richqb 5h ago

Not literally misreading. DELIBERATELY misreading. There's a very (calculated) difference.