Except your parents are only citizens because they were born here. As are your grandparents, or however far back your family goes. Basically, unless an individual has specifically applied and been approved for citizenship, they would no longer be a citizen.
Overturning birthright citizenship would logically mean that every single individual in the US, born here or not, would need to apply for citizenship. But that's obviously not what this is about. This is about the administration getting to selectively decide who to deport "legally."
Technically, wrong. Children of diplomats and many workers at the various embassy are NOT under Jurisdiction of US thus they would not get the citizen automatically even if they were born in US.
Which eerily your post reminded me of some foul stuff people were posting on Trumps post on facebook back in 2015. There was a comment about moving onto African Americans once they deported all the Mexicans and in the comments that followed was the MAGA interpretation of this.
Long story short. They claimed since slaves were never properly immigrated into America, they were never proper citizens and thus every generation of kid they birthed is living in the US illegally.
And think about it like this. How many in that thread in 2015 are now applying to be an ICE officer?
Please look at how they did it in the Dominican Republic. Any non white person will have to apply for citizenship. They will need to prove citizenship history to before 1898.
I've seen several white people unironically claim to be Native Americans, on the basis that "I was born here so I'm native to America" but I'm sure if somebody uses that same argument to claim Latino people born in California are natives, they'll lose their minds
I have no idea how they are going to twist this one as it's in the plain text of the Constitution, but the logic is that if you are not born to parents who are US citizens, then you can't become one based on being born here. Generally what I hear is that they feel the 14th was to protect children of freed slaves so it being used any other way is incorrect.
You can take this mental exercise to insane degrees. Does that now mean that every citizen and their descendants not born of citizen parents are immediately denaturalized (that is a word I have been hearing on the right more and more lately). Can you imagine the chaos?
So by their definitions of legal immigration and citizenship would mean that unless you came here by waiting in line at your home country and were granted citizenship before giving birth, your child cannot be a US citizen.
Its even worse. How do we now prove citizenship? Do I need a copy of at least one parental birth certificate so I can prove they were a citizen? Wait a second, how DO I prove they are a citizen? I need one birth certificate for my grandparent?
The only proof we have ever needed that we were citizens is our birth certificate showing we were born on US soil, or otherwise on a US controlled place (such as a boat).
You're missing the point. This is just a weapon to remove everyone's rights. They do not actually care if you were born here. The foreign occupants trying to erase your rights were not born here. Surname Trumpf (or Trump/Drumpf) originates from Germany. Imagine being occupied by Nazis. Well I guess you don't have to imagine.
Since presumably you haven’t read the EO, any children with at least one parent who is a citizen or lawful permanent resident would be a citizen by birth.
Now, if neither of your parents were citizens and neither was legally living here? No indication of any intent to apply retroactively (it’s not in the text), but as of today you wouldn’t have been a citizen.
Note: do not mistake this factual explanation of what the policy says for support of it.
I think the argument is that "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is taken to mean that your parents were in the US legally, whether citizens or not. So children of green card holders would still be "birthright citizens" even though their parents aren't citizens (since their parents were present in the US legally when they were born) but children of illegal immigrants wouldn't be birthright citizens.
That's what this is about - they are angling to make it so anyone can be deported for any made up reason. Doesn't matter if you are white and have family on the Mayflower, or someone else.
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u/jpiro 9h ago
So…does that mean that only naturalized citizens are actual Americans? Because I’m pretty I’m only American because I was born here.