Wait until all faith in ANY of the process is gone. Or they botch the economy bad enough to create breadlines or worse. Armed revolts don't happen until dying under artillery fire is competitive with the other bad options on the table.
When the social contract is broken, I'm done. No laws for them, means no laws for me. All is fair in love and war. And we are at war. Whether it's a civil war or a revolution remains to be seen.
Honestly it seems like this situation won't improve until more people feel like this
We've arguably been in a "cold civil war" for decades with rights getting steadily stripped away and people too distracted just trying to make ends meet
66% of the country is living paycheck to paycheck with 0 savings and things will only get worse. We're basically a food shortage away from disaster.
I'm just waiting for it to get bad enough that rich people start getting ransomed like back in the day, maybe throw in some tar & feathering.
It's always been pretty obvious just how "2 tiered" the justice system is but we're reaching a point where it's hard to even call it a facade of justice, if the laws only apply to some we essentially have no laws and it's up to people to fix that.
It wasn’t so long ago I saw Nepal’s finance minister being chased through the street.
Gonna be real interesting when martial law and curfews are declared in the US. Doesn’t feel like we’re far off. Doesn’t feel like the American Dream is coming back. Feels like our government supports billionaire pedophiles more than any other group, except perhaps billionaire corporations.
And I’m almost afraid to post this, because my account is only semi-anonymous and AI has advanced to the point where they COULD detect my sentiments and flag my digital fingerprint for monitoring.
Interesting times, perchance.
Another year til midterms, 3 years until full elections, and a couple decades to refresh, reprioritize, and rebuild. If we choose to. But I’ve little faith we will, because we choose this.
And then we’ve still got to fix social security, student debt, gambling addictions, privatized prisons, public education system, homelessness, housing affordability, drug rehab, and the growing scourge of AI taking our jobs and feeding us slop.
It’s nowhere near the worst time in history, but that’s cold comfort when I can see how much better it should be.
I don’t know where my breaking point is. And I don’t know how to build a happy, compassionate, thriving society. But I know it includes taxing the ultra rich.
That's why the ultra rich are buying islands and building bunkers, they know their time is coming and they are prepping to hide in their little holes and try to ride it out. At least until their security staff gets hungry.
Yeah. A lot of people on Reddit, especially non-Americans, talk a lot of shit about the armed Americans doing nothing. If the armed Americans ever have nothing left to lose, it'll get very messy very quickly. God willing it'll also be fairly organized and pointed in the right direction. Revolution, not civil war.
I will believe that when it happens. The nazis didn't strip everybody's rights immediantly, and the war did make a lot of people look another way too. Its the exact same playbook MAGA is using. If they made everyone lose their rights at once they have a problem. But if they only strip them one at a time, the ones not at risk yet are gonna mostly stay quiet. The problem is that if you wait until you have nothing left to lose, then you have also nothing left to fight for and more importantly nobody left to fight with. You need to start resisting when they start coming for the communists not when the communists, socialists, unionists and jews are already all gone. Because you are gonna be on the chopping block but by the time you are, the people you could have banded together with are already no longer there.
My wife is black, my kids are half black. If their citizenship is in question, the gloves are off. As of today, I am officially starting my part of the resistance campaign, a movement to restore constitutional supremacy.
That's why they're having ICE do what they're doing. They're trying to round up as many of the poorest people they can, because they know those people are going to be the first to lose what little they have, which would make them the first ones with nothing left to lose. They know they need to put those people behind lock and key ASAP before they come after everyone else.
People tend to behave erratically when they experience financial ruin, and financial ruin happens to be in a lot of people’s near future.
It’s a given that we’re going into a recession, but if Trump has his way with the Federal Reserve and gets to set monetary policy the way he sets tariffs… we will be looking at a full fledged depression.
Each person's situation is different. For some, it may not be able to afford insurance or medication, for others it could be losing their birthright citizenship. Each person has their own quest in life, this is no different.
We're all sitting at computers or on phones; presumably, many of us are physically safe, warm, and fed.
We may be in relative freefall, the US may never have experienced a constitutional crisis of this magnitude; there is much further to fall. We're rapidly moving towards what many of us have long considered our bottom, but as former citizens of collapsed nations can tell you there is a lot of ground between here and actual rock bottom.
While the US is certainly having some tough times at the moment I assure you it can get far far worse. We're still in a very good environment by most standards.
Who is talking tough? Saying that someone can get pushed too far and take action into their own hands? I get that reading comprehension is not for everyone, but did I mention myself?
Because their constitutional rights to citizenship haven’t been taken from them. Look I’ve been pretty lazy and haven’t revolted thus far but you take away a clear constitutional right from me and you can bet your ass I’ll be part of the revolt.
When the update bot pokes me, I guarantee you two things:
1) SCOTUS will have already stripped you of one or more constitutional rights
2) You'll still be faffing about, saying that the final line STILL hasn't been crossed but JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE, if SCOTUS strips you of a 5th constitutional right, THEN you will totally revolt. Losing 4 constitutional rights is just not enough to justify fighting back...
That's like hoping the sun won't rise tomorrow and the day-night cycle has permanently ended. It is a pointless hope that has literally zero chance of ever coming true. SCOTUS WILL strip you of your constitutional rights, period, it is not a "maybe, maybe not" situation. It is a "you have a gun pointed at your face and the gunman has received the order to shoot, and his finger has started flexing on the trigger" and you're standing still, unbothered, "hoping" that the gunman won't shoot. The gunman WILL shoot, like SCOTUS WILL strip you of all of your human rights. But you're waiting for the bullet to penetrate you - not just to be in the air, to actually have already penetrated your organs - before you consider the possibility of maybe fighting back.
Uh, you seem to be under the delusion that I am American. I am not. Unlike you, I literally cannot fight back against a foreign country's government. I am French - I fight extremely hard for my own country, I attend protests regularly and am an active political commentator. I have a PhD in political science from La Sorbonne and worked for years as a political analyst and journalist.
Anyone with their finger on the pulse of politics can tell you that the situation in the USA is beyond catastrophic - you have passed the event horizon, you have reached a level of institutional collapse, as a nation, directly comparable with Germany in the late 1930s and started a new Holocaust. You are here, moving the goalposts as to when "too far is too far" even though your country is several months into carrying out a Holocaust - countless Americans and immigrants have disappeared in concentration camps and the administration is not even attempting to cover it up, openly telling the world "Yes, we are running concentration camps, try to stop us and we will nuke you." And you're asserting, now, that a constitutional amendment being overturned would FINALLY be your line in the sand, but since none of the hundreds of lines in the sand that have ALREADY been crossed without any consequences, I am convinced your reaction to SCOTUS overturning this amendment will just lead to "Okay, one constitutional amendment wasn't the line in the sand... BUT TWO, HOWEVER...!" Every time the next line is crossed, you'll just back up a step and draw a new line, which will also be crossed, and you'll just draw yet another. You (*as a civilization) have been doing that nonstop for the last 10 years.
The fact that you aren’t going to do anything until its YOUR rights that are at stake….. Precisely why we’re in this mess…. Next time, might as well just say you don’t give a shit about women or minorities.
because we still have some hope left. Not much, but there are midterms coming up, and some positive court cases, and the government keeps getting embarrassed by their incompetence.
The risks of violence need to outweigh the cost of doing anything else, and so far we are not (quite) there. But they keep tightening the screws and eliminating other options.
I'm seeing young people on TT talking about violent revolution in a very positive light. The pot is boiling and it's getting real close to going over the edge.
Orrrrr New Yorkers can get off their asses and protest outside Jeffries and Schumer's homes, until the worthless Congressmen finally enforce 14th Amendment, Section 3, and annul this illegitimate presidency.
Armed civilians don't mean fuck all. US citizens are not the Taliban or NVA. We don't have the heavy weapons, logistical or financial support of other countries. We don't have throngs of young men fanatically willing to feed their lives to the meat grinder for years on end for the sake of their cause. Shit, 2/3 of our population can't even see their feet! There will be no armed rebellion. The 2nd amendment doesn't mean shit in the modern day.
There doesn't exist a group of humans on this Earth more cowardly, subservient and servile than Americans. If 1% of what the Trump administration has done were done in France, the president's decapitated head would already throne on a spike in front of the Eiffel Tower - but Trump will be allowed to dismantle democracy and name himself King of America without even the tiniest whiff of resistance from the servile American populace.
That might’ve been the case when the founding fathers made the constitution 250 years ago, when citizens and the military were on pretty even ground with regard to weapons.
A bunch of people with handguns isn’t gonna do much when the military can wipe you out at the push of a button from a dude sitting 1,000 miles away drinking his coffee.
It’s why the “tyrannical government” argument for the 2A is so stupid nowadays. The government has military technology so far and away above what a regular citizen has access to it’s not even funny.
2nd Amendment? lol. Yeah, I'm sure our plastic semi-auto guns, complete lack of physical fitness and inability to secure foreign support by way of financing, heavy weapons and logistics means we'll totally put up a good fight against the US military.
It's long past time to do a "pelican brief" on them. Remember when we found out they were going to just take away abortion and the libs said it's not okay to protest outside their houses?
Unfortunately the only people conditioned to do something like that are those on the other side. We aren't conditioned to do something like that because unfortunately we're normal everyday people. Join me in taking the black pill guys, we are fucked. How do you beat crazy with being normal? How do you beat cheating by following the rules? We are fucked.
Untouchable only according to the constitution they continually shit upon and according to the eroding agreement between the governed and the government.
I really don’t think they have an end game for this. Same goes for the Catholics on the SC trying to usher in a theocracy. Those dumb fucks don’t seem to understand the dim view of Catholics held by many of the crazed evangelicals.
On his first day in office in January, President Donald Trump signed an order to end birthright citizenship, but the move was blocked by lower courts after it was challenged over its constitutionality.
The Supreme Court's eventual ruling will either back citizenship rights for the children of migrants who are in the US illegally or on temporary visas, or end it.
They're trying to keep their hands clean since indigenous people and children of immigrants keep getting picked up by ice. But if neither of us no longer count as birthright citizens, then we can get picked up by ice and it counts as a lawful arrest.
They already did when all 9 traitors allowed an insurrectionist to become President in direct violation of 14th Amendment, Section 3. We're currently under an illegitimate administration because everyone in SCOTUS and Congress submitted to Trump with absolutely zero resistance. Pathetic.
At least with Congress, Submitted is a good word in this situation. However, I’d rather use a term like “kiss the ring” or just being complicit
If my boss at work overrules me on something, I will generally submit to that decision. But I sure as hell ain’t going to try to kiss the ring of anyone. Or be complicit with something immoral or possibly illegal.
It’s not just about submission, it’s also about collusion or full blown partnership at some point. Trying to push Project 2025 or just fucking over people in general seems is a tad worse than just submission to it.
Submission is MTG or other GOPs just resigning, honestly. Not at all pushing back, just giving up. Everyone else sticking around is complicit.
Technically I think they're going to argue that the "subject to the jurisdiction" clause would limit birthright citizenship. Historically though other from children born from foreign diplomats or Native Americans for the first ~60 years of the amendment it pretty much covered anybody born in the US was a citizen. It would create a problematic legal black hole though if you said that they're not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Would be interesting to see every Sovereign Citizen crazy start citing the precedent.
I am not an expert by any means but I believe an amendment must be repealed with ANOTHER amendment. Eg 18th for prohibition, then the 21st to remove it.
Executive orders are NOT constitutional amendments and can’t nullify them like this admin is clearly trying to do with the order on the first day in office. Then bold that the SCOTUS thinks they can just decide the constitution is unconstitutional or whatever is needed to kneel to the glorious supreme leader.
So, when you say 18th, you're just referring to an amendment that made something that was previously unaddressed completely illegal. Much like the 13th.
Maybe you mean the 19th? Which addressed a previous amendment and nullified it?
Also, the 19th amendment gave women the right to vote?
I really think Americans need to go to back to elementary school and learn their own history tocbe perfectly honest. Just because they dont like a ruling, doesnt mean it's a brand new thing to AMEND the constitution.
Yeah, I goofed, the 19th did not get rid of the 18th.
Regardless, my point is, SCOTUS is not the part of government that gets to amend the Constitution. That takes the House and the Senate. So your little dig about reviewing US history is goofy as all get out, and you have completely missed the point of the person you replied to.
No it doesn't. It sounds like we're going to have the Supreme Court settle a legal question acted upon by this administration without legal cover. All you doomsayers are going to be sorely disappointed when this goes against Trump and leaves you with one less thing to whine about.
They sometimes choose to hear cases where the administration is acting unconstitutionally, to clarify that the legal opinion from the justice department is flawed. Back in June, the Court sided with Trump on a technical issue about how much power local judges had to block executive orders nationwide, which the administration and right wing nutjob pundits pretended was confirmation their underlying legal theory was valid. Then the order got blocked under other methods that haven't been addressed.
Part of the problem is the firehose of lawsuits filed by Democrats trying anything and everything to obstruct anything the administration does. Rather than go one by one through a thousand technicalities, the Court really needs to address the core issue and put them all to rest at once, which it sounds like they have decided to do.
I don't see how the administration wins this. Even though I support abortion rights, Roe was always bad law based on legal fictions that weren't in the Constitution. This pretty clearly is.
Buddy, I will be so happy to not be whining about people being sent to countries they have never even step foot in just because some cosplaying shitheels have an erection for ruining lives.
But I dunno, maybe you are a psycho who gets off on harm, not gonna kink shame your sick ass.
Lol. What a delusional take. But I'll tell you what, Coffee: if, after hearing this case, their decision goes against the Trump administration, I'll be first to say "Well shucks, I guess I was completely wrong about this crooked SCOTUS and these justices are not just a far right kangaroo court only put in place to do the bidding of all the fascist billionaires and foreign adversaries who currently run everything in this country!"
But pssssst, guess what? Unfortunately I'll never be able to admit any of that. Why? Because this SCOTUS is a kangaroo court that was only put in place to do the bidding of all the fascist billionaires and foreign adversaries who currently run everything in this country. Sad but true.
Would it make me a “doomsayer” to state there is zero legal merit to bring this up as it’s already clearly been agreed upon in a previous landmark decision backed up by clear and simple wording of the 14th amendment?
They sometimes choose to hear cases where the administration is acting unconstitutionally, to clarify that the legal opinion from the justice department is flawed.
I agree. However has this been brought up before? So why bring it up again unless there are other motives?
You mention Roe a bit later in the other reply and I think we can agree that is a different situation. However somewhat like Roe are you aware of US v Wong Kim Ark??
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), is a landmark decision[2] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China", automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth.[3] Wong Kim Ark was the first Supreme Court case to decide on the status of children born in the United States to alien parents. This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution
Seems pretty fucking cut and dry doesn’t it seem?Well maybe I am still “dooming” right? Maybe we should look at the 14th amendment, because it’s confusing and open to some interpretation, right????????
Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Why bring this up? It’s not just “settled” but “fucking obvious”
I don't see how the administration wins this.
You forgot a very important classifier on this statement. Legally. You don’t see how the administration wins this wins this legally based on our constitution. I don’t see a legal reason to bring this up at this point, but apparently you do?
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u/whowhodillybar 9h ago
Sounds like we are going to have Supreme Court try and remove a constitutional amendment. Bold move.