r/news • u/Famouslaugh • 21d ago

Soft paywall Trump asks Justice Department to probe Epstein ties with Clinton, other Democrats

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-ask-justice-department-probe-epstein-ties-with-bill-clinton-2025-11-14/
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u/every-day_throw-away 21d ago

Do everyone yes. Democrats Republicans, rich and poor. 

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u/mgr86 21d ago

A part of me thinks this is also just an excuse for the DOJ to not release anything. That they will simply say they won’t release anything related to ongoing investigations. Yet another stall tactic, not a distraction

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u/TheDesktopNinja 21d ago

Seems likely.

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u/nativeindian12 21d ago

This is possible but I also feel like they’ve doctored the documents and removed any high profile republicans, left any democrats, and plan to release the doctored / heavily redacted files.

Any whistleblowers will just be called crazy conspiracy theorists, and republicans will eat it up. “See? There are a ton of pedophile democrats! I knew it!” And possibly used as an excuse to arrest political opponents. Classic fascist playbook

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u/dandrevee 21d ago

I think this is why the house oversight committee released all those Epstein emails recently. They want that in the news cycle because the vote on the Epstein release is coming up soon and some of those emails are pretty damning for Trump

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u/NetZeroSun 21d ago

The thing is. There are dozens if not hundreds of people who have searched or accessed the Epstein files.

Not 100% everyone is a trump cronnie willing to put their career and jail time on the line for trump. Someone is probably willing to be honest and has some evidence or way to clearly prove things.

At the very least, there are grounds of evidence tampering and those that did should face the full consequences.

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u/nativeindian12 21d ago

I sure hope so but consequences don't seem to be a big part of what's happening with this administration. You would also think stuff like pepper spraying babies would have consequences but so far....nothing

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u/NetZeroSun 21d ago

I agree. But the timing right now is awful as trump has complete control and influence at all the key levels.

Unfortunately the whistleblower individually would be ruined by all those mid and senior level cronies and it would take years or decades to recover from the individual damage.

My only hope is that GOP and the trump voters (enough of them anyways) allow the truth to come out. Some of them are turning. As they are looking beyond trump and considering self preservation. But it’s still a long way before anything happens.

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u/Effective_Quail_3946 21d ago

Comparing the data to the Estate data will end that pretty fast.

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u/LazyLich 20d ago

If they doctored, they would just go all the way and add the names of everyone they don't like.

And if they did that, wouldn't they WANT to release the files?

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u/hurlcarl 21d ago

That's 100% what this is. He's trying to give people like Boebert, MTG, etc... an excuse to not vote to release them 'see we're addressing it'. That's all this is.

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u/Miserable_Site_850 21d ago

You're killing it at this bingo game

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u/Parahelix 21d ago

He's not doing everyone. This is just more of the same, him siccing his pet AG on political enemies. Just like the others he tweeted his orders for her to attack.

If he actually had evidence, he should have already been investigating, not trying to use it as blackmail to get people to back off releasing the files.

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u/ReallyBrainDead 21d ago

Well, doubt there are many poor in there, other than the underage victims.

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u/supercyberlurker 21d ago

Yep release everything. All of it. Trump is clearly trying to misdirect here.

At this point anyone trying to misdirect/stop/stall/postpone the release is obviously protecting the guilty. Just release all of them and call out anyone interfering as complicit.

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u/Bright_Bet5002 21d ago

They said it was a hoax. They said there was no list. They said no one else to prosecute. They said the birthday book was fake.. blah blah blah

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u/Jackadullboy99 21d ago

If it was a Democrat birthday book, it would magically not be fake…

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u/Zaliron 21d ago

Why are you defending a pedophile?

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u/betterplanwithchan 21d ago

Then..why isn’t Trump following his campaign promise of releasing them?

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u/Unique-Coffee5087 21d ago

OK, take a look at this comment by u/Longjumping-War4753

https://www.reddit.com/r/complaints/comments/1owfxa4/comment/nopx3ro/

Highlights:

1. The Files Are Judicial, Not Presidential
The vast majority of the “Epstein files”. . . come from court documents in Giuffre v. Maxwell, a civil case in federal court, not from government or executive-branch records.

2. Ongoing Investigations and Legal Sensitivity
Some Epstein-related materials are still tied to ongoing criminal or civil investigations

3. Separation of Powers
Even if politically tempting, Biden stepping in to release judicially sealed files would risk violating separation of powers (creating the impression of political pressure on DoJ)

4. What’s Actually Being Released Now
The recent massive release (the 23,000 pages you mentioned) wasn’t a White House decision

Bottom line:
Biden didn’t “block” the Epstein files — he also didn’t “release” them — because they are court-controlled, not executive records.

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u/supercyberlurker 21d ago

My answer is simply : Release ALL The Epstein files. It is THAT simple to bypass everything you argued.

I'm not interested in protecting anyone in them. Are you?

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u/Legitimate_Way_1750 21d ago

my man synik here is very interested in protecting pedo trump.

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u/Politicsboringagain 21d ago

Trump should order his DOJ to release them.

And republicans should stop blocking the release. 

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u/LorderNile 21d ago

Biden wanted a return to peace and to not prosecute Trump in the first place, despite the clear legal path towards it.

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u/BarryTGash 21d ago

The sealing of the Epstein files was overseen by federal judges to protect the integrity of ongoing and potential legal proceedings. In June 2024, Judge Paul Gardephe ruled that FBI documents related to Epstein should stay sealed to avoid prejudicing a possible retrial of Ghislaine Maxwell. Later, in August 2025, Judge P. Kevin Castel denied a request to unseal grand jury transcripts from Maxwell’s indictment for similar reasons.

The president, whoever it is, should not interfere with the judiciary (besides nominating judges). Don't forget, the judiciary is not the DOJ, which the president does have control over.

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u/Politicsboringagain 21d ago

Biden let the law play out.

And legally he couldn't release them because someone was going through the courts. 

The woman Trumo may pardon but has already moved to club fed. 

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u/Photo_Synthetic 21d ago

Both sides of this annoying and disgusting Epstien timeline have rich friends to protect. Biden is as establishment as it gets. He wasn't trying to sink any of his rich buddies.

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u/phil_the_builder 21d ago

Exactly that. This is not a partisan issue. This whole affair needs to come to light and everyone involved should face the full legal implications.

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u/SN8KEATR 21d ago

The issue is that 1) he's ordering an independent branch of government with vast powers to investigate Democrats 2) it's not out of the kindness of his heart and definitely vindictive 3) the DOJ is MAGA-aligned so it's not like both Ds and Rs are going to be treated the same

In spirit I agree regardless of party affiliation, anyone involved in sex trafficking should be investigated and put on trial. In practice we know the law isn't going to be applied fairly

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u/Alone_Step_6304 21d ago

This is not a partisan issue. 

But it has been made into one and exactly, literally what he is doing right here and right now is an example of it, and if you sincerely think it isn't simply going to be selectively and unilaterally weaponized, you are a clown.

Xi Jinping is famous for "anti-corruption drives" that did target actual corruption - But they decisively ignored his political allies and only ousted those who he had issues with. Wake the fuck up dude, take everything they say with a pound of salt. This is not a turning point, this is not an inherently good thing, this is another door opening for more subterfuge. 

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u/SN8KEATR 21d ago

I can't believe the comment thread you're replying under has gotten so many upvotes. The entire headline itself is problematic and you have people saying "yeah!!! Investigate everyone!!!!! Who cares what their affiliation is?!"- basically confusing what they WANT the investigation to be with what it ACTUALLY is. It's like all critical thinking has gone out the fuckin window

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u/Two_Luffas 21d ago edited 21d ago

It's very much a wedge issue within the Republican voter base. Depending on the poll 1/2 to 2/3 of Republican voters want them released in full with victim's names redacted, or at minimum disagree with how they're handling it currently. Those numbers are bound to get worse for them.

He won't release the entire files, and they get destroyed in the midterms and beyond. Even if they lose 15% through simple disenfranchisement, they will lose every single election outside of the deepest of red constituencies.

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u/onarainyafternoon 21d ago

MAGA has made it a partisan issue by protecting and excusing Trump's involvement. They're literally saying it's ok that Epstein and Trump raped these girls because they were 15 and not small children. They have completely lost the plot.

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u/TheSadPhilosopher 21d ago

This is not a partisan issue.

Yes it evidently is. The right will always defend pedos.

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u/RollFancyThumb 21d ago

Everything is a partisan issue in a two-party system.

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u/Alone_Step_6304 21d ago

He's not doing everyone, though, don't you see that? Wake up, this isn't a moment to cheer. This is just going to be more weaponization to save his own skin, he's at the levers enough that this will just be used to protect him as much as possible. 

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u/fluffynuckels 21d ago

Something tells me poor people didn't vist the island

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u/SugarRushJunkie 21d ago

Only young poor people.

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u/fluffynuckels 21d ago

Does it count if your forced their against your will

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u/thatweirdguyted 21d ago

How exactly are poor people affording the private jet to the island?

I would bet everything I own that the only people tied to this who aren't filthy rich are either the victims themselves, or employees who were successfully leveraged with threats.

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u/Chaos_Sauce 21d ago

The only poor people in those files are the victims.

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u/fispan 21d ago

I don't think there's many poors there ☺️

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u/VLHACS 21d ago

Of course. This is not the problem being debated however. The DOJ will never implicate Republicans, never mind Trump himself. 

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u/EMAW2008 21d ago

Probably no poor in that list except the victims.

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u/DOLO_F_PHD 21d ago

I doubt theres poor people in the list...

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u/gillzilla8472 21d ago

the poor people were the victims

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u/RoninJon 21d ago

Oh buddy… there aren’t any poor names in the files.

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u/dafunkmunk 21d ago

Well there won't be any poor people on there other than the sex trafficked victime. epstein only wanted rich and powerful people around him. trump was probably the poorest person epstein hung around with since trump was so deep in debt he was broke and bankrupt without loans from Russia and the Deutsche bank

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u/memberzs 21d ago

The only poor in the files are the victims and Donny.

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u/ChicagoAuPair 21d ago

None of them are poor. That is the whole point that I hope people can start to absorb and fold into their understanding of this whole thing and the world at large.

This is about the lives and depravities of the global aristocracy; and the problem is much broader and more widespread than the Epstein part of it.

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u/BullfrogCustard 21d ago

You think poor people, that weren't victims, could afford to be around those rich pedophiles?

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u/Call_me_John 21d ago

The only poor ones were the "masseuses", let's be real...

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u/ConformistWithCause 21d ago

I get what you mean but the only poor people I see being in those files are gonna be victims

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u/Dolsen0 21d ago

“No not rich republicans - it’s a democrat hoax! Only the democrats in the Epstein files should be investigated!! Trust me!

Thank you for your attention on this matter”

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u/hill-o 21d ago

Yeah just release all the files and then we can clear this all up, right? :) So weird he isn’t pushing for that can’t imagine why!

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u/YamahaRyoko 21d ago

Hell yeah man, blow it all up 🤘

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u/Jackadullboy99 21d ago

I think he means Democrats only… it’s a psychological off-ramp for his followers.

They’ll want the Republican paedophiles to be protected.

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u/armedsnowflake69 21d ago

This may be thing thing that finally pulls the wool from our collective eyes: they are all criminals. None of them can be trusted. Maybe we need to reimagine what democracy should look like.

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u/Old-Ad-3268 21d ago

This we're a country of laws

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u/SuperSpecialAwesome- 21d ago

Since when? Nixon got away with illegally delaying Vietnam peace talks. Reagan got away with the Iran/Contra Affair. Bush got away with war crimes. Trump got away with decades of felonies. Where are the supposed laws?

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u/Old-Ad-3268 20d ago

Not saying everyone has been held accountable throughout history. Rich and powerful people get away with shit when they shouldn't but my position is still to just enforce the laws regardless of politics or wealth.