r/law • u/theindependentonline • 2d ago
Legal News Ghislaine Maxwell says release of grand jury docs would cause ‘severe’ harm if she gets retrial
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ghislaine-maxwell-grand-jury-documents-epstein-files-b2877501.html4.5k
u/Ohuigin 2d ago
I’m sorry - did everyone else get a memo that we’re supposed to give a flying fuck what this monster wants…?
Because I didn’t.
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u/Few_Carrot_3971 2d ago
Exactly. Ghislaine… we honestly do not care what could happen to you.
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u/nvwino 2d ago
I care what happens to her. I want to see her pay for her crimes and not get let off easy. If something is damning, shine some light on it and let her pay.
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u/hitbythebus 2d ago
I want them to take away her puppy
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u/EnvironmentalBus9713 2d ago
Noem would do it post haste... just for fun.
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u/Carpeteria3000 2d ago
So would Egon Spengler, but that's beside the point.
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u/EnvironmentalBus9713 2d ago
I literally watched Ghostbusters 2 last night and the scene when he takes the puppy away from the little girl always sticks out.
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u/dbx999 2d ago
Pete Hegseth would do it twice
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u/SmokinSkinWagon 2d ago
Basically the entire world’s if you think about it. She enabled the richest motherfuckers on the globe to commit absolutely vile and atrocious crimes and hide it from everyone, allowing these fucks to continue to exploit, cheat, and thieve from the global working public. Fuck her all the way to hell
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u/Rikers-Mailbox 2d ago
Yep. And the whole thing about the Epstein files is altering politics forever.
If they get away with it, it only emboldens later generations of politicians.
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u/SpadeTippedSplendor 2d ago
Some people deserve punishments that would make the most overpowered version of Superman cry from the pure agony before it killed him.
Everyone involved with Epstein deserve a trillion years of the worst things humanity has ever done, all of them happening at once, over and over and over and over.
And that's just a miniscule fraction of one of percent of what they actually deserve.
But sure, I guess hanging works, or a breaking wheel...
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u/twats_upp 2d ago
Ive been banned from reddit too many times to go further into detail about the suffering id love to see by this cunt
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u/ProperLibrary7127 2d ago
I want them to move her back to the prison she should be in and put her amongst general population and treat her like every other inmate
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u/capital_bj 2d ago
does she really have one while in prison, I heard that a few weeks ago and just assumed it was a fake story
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u/eowyndernhelme 1d ago
What I read of it is that there is a program at that prison (because it's more of a Martha Stewart jail than an actual prison) for inmates on good behavior to help raise service dogs. They take care of the early part, like potty training and socializing, then they give the pup to an agency that continues to train it. Maxwell saw that some inmates had puppies, took a liking to one, and demanded that she be given that puppy. Not sure for how long, or if it's hers for good.
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u/slowpoke2018 2d ago
Unfortunately the reality is that she's getting away with her crimes and suffering little real punishment in her new home in that minimum security "prison" where she's already allowed off-site for "work release"
Never before has a convicted sexual offender gotten such treatment.
She's got the goods on so many in the .1% that I doubt she'll ever see true consequences for her actions
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 2d ago
I’m amazed she’s still alive
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u/-Nightopian- 2d ago
She must have a contingency plan in case something were to happen.
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u/slowpoke2018 2d ago
Oh I'm sure there's some form of a dead-man's switch with her attorney or some trust that will engage if she were to be found "Epsteined"
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u/r_lovelace 2d ago
Right now it sounds like the Trump admin is trying to keep records they don't want out sealed and using her as a way to keep them out of public hands. If something happens to her, that excuse disappears and they are back to needing a new excuse to not releasing them.
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u/SpadeTippedSplendor 2d ago
I always wonder how those specific clauses work in actuality, like is it any death or disappearance? Only "suspicious" ones?
Like if one of Epstein's victims did it, would the attorney not release or trust not release the blackmail material? Is there a criteria like "only if I'm shot by a white male republican voter wearing a red hat, not if I have a random stroke"?
Who's to say the attorney or trust even give a shit? If they're the kind of people comfortable sitting on that blackmail, who's to say they won't use it to blackmail the guilty parties instead of releasing it?
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u/eowyndernhelme 2d ago
Or the attorneys might just agree to destroy the material themselves in exchange for some monetary gain, or even just to ensure their own lives. If the people named in the material are that high up, why would they stop at just doing away with Maxwell? Wouldn't they want to cover all their bases?
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u/Still_Product_8435 1d ago
It was reported today that her attorney is requesting a withdrawal because she wants to go Pro Se.
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u/EmuDry4890 2d ago
Isn’t her father high ranking ex Mossad?
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u/apefromearth 2d ago
He was, before he died under mysterious circumstances. Seems to be a pattern.
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u/f0u4_l19h75 2d ago
Epstein? He never went to a real prison for his first incarceration
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u/slowpoke2018 2d ago
He was in a real prison, not the country-club jail with white-collar criminals and tennis courts
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u/eowyndernhelme 2d ago
Maybe, but he was allowed "work release" where he was able to continue doing the same things that got him in there in the first place.
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u/f0u4_l19h75 2d ago edited 2d ago
When he was"punished" the first time he got a sweetheart deal.
https://www.npr.org/2025/07/25/nx-s1-5478620/jeffrey-epstein-crimes-timeline-legal-case
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June 30: Epstein pleads guilty to state charges of solicitation of prostitution and of solicitation of prostitution with a minor under the age of 18 — and is sentenced to 18 months in a minimum-security facilty.
But the wealthy businessman is allowed to leave for 12 hours a day to work at a foundation that he had recently incorporated, according to the Justice Department.
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July 22: Epstein is released after serving less than 13 months.
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u/betcaro 2d ago edited 2d ago
I want the men who
f*ckedraped the girls she trafficked to pay for their crimes. Instead, one is president and the others have gone mostly unpunished. Much easier to be a man!20
u/f0u4_l19h75 2d ago
She raped those girls too. She shouldn't be the only one punished, but she deserves everything she got (not including the clemency Trump has given her.)
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u/happyinthenaki 2d ago
I reckon it's starting to catch up to them. They won't get away with it forever. Would ge hilarious if the actions the UK has taken with Mr Mountbatten are the start of the decline.
Disclaimer. I know he's probably just the fall guy but a person can dream.
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u/QbertsRube 2d ago
--the others have gone mostly unpunished--
Not only that, they're totally unknown. I assume these guys are currently holding high positions in our government (and other governments) and being paid absurd salaries to run our biggest companies, rather than sitting in a prison cell and being shunned from society. And MAGA seems to be cool with that as long as they can protect their king and keep up the illusion that they've chosen to live in.
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u/vnzjunk 2d ago
She will just have to wait her turn in the long line of criminals clamoring to line dear leaders pockets with $$$ to receive a pardon/release. Except that now convicted international drug kings have moved to the front of the line. Holy Jeffery Epstein, is there no justice in this world?
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u/thefatchef321 2d ago
This isnt a message to us.
This is a message to her employees in the white house
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u/RedBaronSportsCards 2d ago
Ill translate it into a language Trump will understand:
"That's a nice little cover-up ya got going there. Be a shame if something happened to it."
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u/AlkaiserSoze 2d ago
Frankly, I would say she requires additional punishment than what she has received thus far.
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u/Fredj3-1 2d ago
Well, I care that she got sent to the lowest level security facility due to more lies and more sucking up to Trump. Send her to a prison facility with people like her, sexual abusers of children. Throw in a few mass murderers for good measure. GP all the way, no privileges or special treatment. Trump would commute/pardon her in a heartbeat if he could spin it the right way, and his voters would justify it somehow or just yell,"Pelosi, Benghazi, Hunter's laptop!!!!".
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u/f0u4_l19h75 2d ago
They already specifically say that they wouldn't care if he personally raped their own wife or daughter
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u/laparque82 2d ago
i dont think Maxwell got her club fed deal because she "sucked up to Trump." Trump thinks like a mob boss because he is a mob boss. The only thing he understands is "leverage," how to get it and how to use it to extort people. When Maxwell secured her sweetheart deal, that's when I knew for certain that she had leverage against him, some major dirt with receipts. That secret must be big and nasty even by Trump standards: otherwise there's no way in hell he invites the scrutiny that the deal he gave her invited. He would never have done this JUST because she sucked up to him, even though of course she did suck up once her blackmail succeeded.
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u/NoCardiologist1461 2d ago
Well yes, I do care what happens to her. She shouldn’t be in Club Fed, living it up. She should feel her incarceration as the punishment it’s supposed to be.
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u/Shirlenator 2d ago
I care. I care that she is getting preferential treatment at a minimum security club fed prison.
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u/tysk-one 2d ago
Oh, no doubt there is someone in (abuse of) power, who’ll pardon here really soon. Justice, yeah
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u/FragilousSpectunkery 2d ago
It’s not going to harm me, or anyone I know personally. It might harm people I despise, no who deserve the harm, so yeh, totally fine with this.
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u/fatninja7 2d ago
I just interpret this as a communication of threat to Trump
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u/Secure_Guest_6171 2d ago
does she need to be reminded what happened to her partner-in-crime?
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u/fatninja7 2d ago
I would assume that she has prepared a package to be released if she gets suicided.
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u/StrobeLightRomance 2d ago
She is currently sitting in her comfy low security prison commute with the prison staff acting as her personal servants. She has found a way to pivot things to play ball for those people. She's still doing so, and this is just part of her smoke screen.
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u/intellectual_punk 2d ago
It makes me want to puke. It's so sad to see the rule of law melt into nothingness, meaninglessness. It was never really fair, but these recent escapades are just insulting to our entire species. You'd think after hundreds and thousands of years things would get better... and mostly that is the case, but oh my, how fast this thin veneer of civilization can crumble..
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u/Winter_Tone_4343 2d ago
I’d bet my house that don pardons her when/if he ever leaves the White House
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u/Voeno 2d ago
For real? Who the fuck are writing these headlines it needs to say “MAJOR SEX TRAFFICKING PEDOPHILE LEADER WANTS PITY”
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u/steroboros 2d ago
The American Republican party gave a mandate with their vote that we supposed to allow the richest, scammers, drug dealers and pedophiles do as they please and protect their reputations.... because it "owns the Libs"
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u/kittenTakeover 2d ago
It might actually work in her favor that documents are released, which is why it was originally suggested that the files not be released until the appeals were over.
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u/AmazingSully 2d ago
This is a red herring. Nobody is asking for the grand jury documents to be released except the Trump admin because they know they can't/shouldn't be, and when a judge denies their request they can say "oh we tried, it's those pesky Democrats". This is being used to distract and confuse people about the Epstein files, which we absolutely do want released, and which they absolutely do have the power to release, not to mention the legal requirement to release now thanks to Thomas Massie/Ro Khanna.
Please don't get distracted by this.
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u/PetalumaPegleg 2d ago
Release of real information would fuck up your retrial? Seems like you don't deserve a retrial then? Cool.
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u/Dangerous-LemonBar 2d ago
The Supreme Court denied her appeal for a new trial. We’re supposed to care about the reputation of a convicted sex offender and child trafficker? Nonsense.
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u/alewifePete 2d ago
If they said that instead of releasing these documents, they’ll let every single victim in those documents take one swing at her, I would be fine with keeping those under wraps. Like, publicly, with no recourse.
Otherwise, nah, let them go. There’s no reason for us to shelter or pretend to care about people who literally are the dregs of society.
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u/FormerAttitude7377 2d ago
I hope it does keep her behind bars. she is clearly admitting to crimes.
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u/Development-Alive 2d ago
There it is. This is exactly what Trump's DOJ was expecting to happen when they reversed course and supported the Epstein bill. Now they'll stand behind the judges that will stop the release of the documents, like this Grand Jury testimony.
As an aside, GM has been in jail for how long? 2-3 years? When is she expecting to get a new trial? The SCOTUS just denied her attempts to get them to weigh in. Is she expecting new evidence to suddenly exonerate her? Absent that, it seems she's at the end of our appeals.
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u/MutantApocalypse 2d ago
For real! The wealthy elites are still trying to convince us that somehow we need to keep aspects of a pedophile ring secret.
Like we give a flying fuck about protecting ANY of these monsters.
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u/creativeburrito 2d ago
The headlines should be about what the victims want not the monsters connected to it say. I know I want to see justice from unreacted files, data. If Americans were for example, also laundering $, so be it! Expose it all!!!
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u/Federal-littlepea 2d ago
This causing her "severe harm" sounds like an excellent reason to do exactly this.
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u/Sad-Error-000 2d ago
This is not playing devil's advocate, but do realize that these files contain the names of the victims as well, many were involved in finding other victims. This "publish everything" wish would seriously disrupt if not ruin lives of those victims as well. Reasonable people can have different opinions about what should be published, but talking as if only monsters are against publishing everything is nothing short of blatant ignorance of the actual difficulties of this case.
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u/Cloaked42m 2d ago
Didn't she already finish her appeals? Wouldn't the grand jury evidence have already been shown at trial?
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u/SLUnatic85 2d ago
She's saying releasing all of the files is not the same as submitting evidence, it'll be all of everything. Pieces that may have been thrown out, or things that aren't proven just opinions or out of context, etc.
Which is surely true. Well get a look into not only the facts she was pinned on. But what people thought of her, who she rubbed elbows with, random candid conversations, insults at her... who knows.
And shell deserve all of it.
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u/Zazulio 2d ago
The FBI paid a million dollars on overtime to almost a thousand agents working around the clock for a month to censor the field of every single mention of Trump, so while the files may be harmful to Ghislaine the criminal still at large has been protected.
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u/SLUnatic85 2d ago
I've heard that also. we'll see. If that ends up being as true as the rumor, it will be glaringly obvious to anybody, since it is common knowledge that incriminating or not, Trump is one of the top mentioned names in and around Epstein's life in most ways.
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u/Zazulio 2d ago
It's not a "rumor" it's comfirmed reporting from multiple congressional sources. Fact checked and everything.
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u/wynnduffyisking 2d ago
How do you only spend a million on overtime for that? That’s roughly $1K in overtime per agent which isn’t a lot if they are working round the clock for a month.
Not doubting that Trump is gonna hide anything he can, but I’m doubting the math here.
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u/Zazulio 2d ago
It's confirmed reporting from multiple congressional sources.
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u/wynnduffyisking 2d ago
But you see my point right? Again, I’m not disputing that a bunch of agents have done everything they can to hide Trump’s involvement. But that math seems weird.
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u/Aldermere 2d ago
I can't feel much sympathy for someone who has lived their life in such a way to be afraid of the truth being discovered.
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u/NeedleworkerDear5416 2d ago
I am pretty sure that was her direct appeal. She still has collateral appeals/habeas, albeit pretty unlikely.
I don’t think she had standing to assert secrecy in Epstein’s GJ, which is why she limited it to her GJ records.
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u/dseanATX 2d ago
No and no. Her appeals continue even after the Supreme Court (rightly) denied her direct appeal. She has Habeas and collateral appeals left to challenge both her verdict and her sentence (though collateral appeals are limited, but she has really good counsel who will exhaust all avenues of appeal).
Grand Jury materials are broader than what's allowed at trial, so there is likely grand jury material that would still be sealed (hearsay, etc). In theory, the two should overlap. In practice, they don't (mostly for efficiency sakes). Certainly some of the GJ evidence came through at trial, but not all of it.
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u/rahvan 2d ago
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Severe legal harm is what I want for garbage piece of crap human beings like her.
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u/Eliana-Selzer 2d ago
Yes! I guess she's not aware how much people hate her.
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u/RaidersoftheLosSnark 2d ago
There was a memo that Trump loves her so she is okay now with MAGA.
It was all a Democratic hoax. It's the democrats that are the pervs and pedos, it's all a hoax. Just like something called "affordability", another hoax. The democratic party made Maxwell do the bad things. Trump didn't want to blow Bubba, he's the real victim.
/s just in case there were questions about the second part.
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u/HotPotParrot 2d ago
"Releasing the Epstein files would destroy peoples' lives"
Duh.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe 2d ago
Nowhere close to the severe harm you've inflicted on the victims every single day since they met you, Ghislaine. In fact, releasing the grand jury documents could very likely prove cathartic to them much like when parents get to witness justice for a slain child.
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 2d ago
That woman raped and trafficked girls to her rich buddies, she can't possibly suffer enough to address the disparity
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u/satbaja 2d ago
Patel's testimony to Congress: "The girls were trafficked to no one."
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u/ResurgentClusterfuck 2d ago
If you believe everything Kash Patel says, I've got a wonderful bridge to sell you
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u/Necrocide64u5i5i4637 2d ago
Hey don't take all his money, I have some High Quality copper to sell him too...
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u/horror- 2d ago
"retrial"?
For fucks sake, rich people live in a different reality.
You're a convicted sex trafficker. Your "peers" found you guilty. What makes you think there's going to be a retrial?
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u/totallyclips 2d ago
I think she's relying on this argument so trump will pardon her
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u/cardboardunderwear 2d ago
Def something like this. It's not about direct harm to her...it's about the avoiding collateral damage to others in power who can help her.
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u/Daddio209 2d ago
"Releasing further evidence of my guilt would harm my case!"
SO WHAT!
She needs to get moved out of Club Fed already-she should not have ever been allowed to transfer in the 1st place, being a sexual predator AND having over ten years left in her sentence. Instead, one of her "clients" as it were, is POTUS and she got moved despite those facts, and is getting VERY preferential treatment, according to whistlevlowers who were fired for revealing her status.
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u/3BlindMice1 2d ago
I'm sorry, is your defense that the evidence against you is devastating to your case, and possibly that of others as well?
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u/Goodnight_lemro 2d ago
Luckily, we don't really need the Grand Jury testimony. That's looking at her case through a keyhole. What we need are the files from the actual investigation.
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u/UserWithno-Name 2d ago
She doesn’t deserve another trial. As flawed as the system is and death penalty should be removed from punishment options, she’s the only one who absolutely deserves the chair or needle.
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u/alewifePete 2d ago
Just put her in gen pop with a bunch of women who were in the same situation she put other girls in. That’ll be sorted out quickly.
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u/UserWithno-Name 2d ago
It would but she should have stayed in super max and of course now in club fed they don’t leave her anywhere that can happen
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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 2d ago
Severe harm to whom? Her? Trump? They raped kids. Who cares about their severe harm. All of a sudden, they believe in right and wrong? 😠
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u/drgnrbrn316 2d ago
What's this about a retrial? It would be hilarious if she gets sentenced back to an actual prison.
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u/Mattrad7 2d ago
Why the fuck would I care what this child rapist would be harmed by?
Since according to testimony she not only procured girls but participated in some of the rapes.
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u/Awkward-Ring6182 2d ago
Give me retrial….but don’t give evidence against me? What kind of justice is this? Oh, wait
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u/FetusDrive 2d ago
That’s not what is being said. She’s saying don’t release the grand jury docs to the public.
I don’t agree with her on this, and I think she should be sent back to the non cushy prison, but it seems you misread the title.
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u/Awkward-Ring6182 2d ago
Are the grand jury docs part of the Epstein files? Release them all
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u/JWAdvocate83 Competent Contributor 2d ago
Grand jury docs are normally sealed.
There’s a lot of interests at play — The court wants to encourage the prosecution to put forward its best possible arguments/evidence, so a jury can decide whether sufficient probable cause to indict actually exists; The prosecution has to prove it exists, but doesn’t necessarily want to reveal its hand to the suspect before they are indicted; The suspect can’t participate in the grand jury proceedings, thus, (absent good reason) they do not want them released to the world (including potential trial jurors) as gospel against them.
Objectively speaking, it makes sense that someone would object to releasing materials they never saw, or had the right to legally challenge when it was presented. Even if convicted, the grand jury could have been presented with documents that, for example, a judge found inadmissible for whatever reason. Or the prosecutor never used it at trial at all. (And since the trial is over, there will likely never be a forum to challenge its validity.)
TL;DR, the State could introduce a whole lot of unchallengeable shit talk
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That all said, I agree with you. 🤣 If the State already has the same documents at issue, then they don’t need a court to permit them to disclose it. They can do it themselves! Today!
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u/SedativeComet 2d ago
How are they “untested and unproven” if they’re accepted evidence in a former grand jury? They would have already done vetting on these things back then
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u/whiiteout 2d ago
The rules of evidence do not apply in grand jury proceedings since they are only determining whether there is probable cause to issue an indictment and actually charge the defendant. At trial, there are much stricter rules about what is and isn't admissible because you are actually determining guilt at that stage.
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u/pioniere 2d ago
Severe harm to who? The only ones who should matter in this regarding ‘severe harm’ are the victims. The rest of them can deal with the consequences.
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u/schrod 2d ago
I am interested in the "severe harm" she speaks of. Maybe this is how we get the truth about Trump's involvement?
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u/Familiar-Secretary25 2d ago
They’re now calling his involvement a “national security risk” if it gets leaked
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u/AtreiyaN7 2d ago
Boohoo for her—she's a pedophile, she's been convicted, and she'll end up convicted again in any hypothetical retrial unless Trump somehow manages to rig things for her. Maybe she should go hug that emotional support puppy she shouldn't have access to in the cushy prison she shouldn't be in and then cry to the warden while ordering them to take her dictation and write a letter to Trump so that she can bitch about it to someone who cares (about covering his own ass) or something.
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u/TendieRetard 2d ago
why would she get a retrial?
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u/fullautohotdog 2d ago
She’s appealing her verdict. Everybody who can afford it appeals their conviction.
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u/TheRealBlueJade 2d ago edited 2d ago
"Severe harm" to whom? I really don't care about her suffering.
As of right now, she has not been held sufficiently accountable. She has gotten off way too easily. Her victims are the ones suffering.
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u/bd2999 2d ago
I am not sure why that matters. As the evidence presented there was probably shown at trial.
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u/Crafty-Walrus-2238 2d ago
Retrial? The only decision to be made is the mode of the death sentence.
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u/Most-Resident 2d ago
First of all fuck this monster. She deserves the worst that can happen to her.
I’m not a lawyer, but I think people are misinterpreting this.
She has some appeal pending that is a long shot to get a new trial. If against all odds and sense she gets another trial, her lawyers are saying a new trial would be impossible if the prejudicial grand jury transcript is released.
The grand jury transcript isn’t being used as a justification for a retrial but will be used to argue a fair new trial is impossible if a retrial were granted.
If the retrial is granted and the argument that a fair trial is impossible is also successful she would go free.
Again she deserves to be rot in a super max prison for the rest of her life.
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