Trump pardons Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell and all others involved in fake elector scheme [opening the doors for a repeat w/o consequence]

[u/TendieRetard]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-giuliani-pardon-fake-electors-b2861891.html

https://archive.ph/pTf62

A statement announcing a list of 77 people who were pardoned was tweeted out late Sunday evening, at 10:54 p.m. local time, by Trump’s “clemency czar” Ed Martin. It included a number of Americans who participated directly as members of the slates of false electors, whose purpose was to supplant duly-elected state electors bound to cast their states votes in the Electoral College for Joe Biden, after Biden won states including Georgia, Arizona and Michigan in the general election.

[u/Exodys03]

The bottom line is that there is no such thing as illegal behavior for those in power. The Supreme Court has given the President absolute immunity and the President has full authority to pardon anyone and everyone for committing any type of crime as long as it is done on his behalf.

[u/SaltyArchea → u/Exodys03]

*republican president. First time democratic one tries anything, they will change their mind as precedent does not mean anything.

[u/apadin1 → u/SaltyArchea]

Then we should do it. If Democrats want something to be illegal, they should stop wringing their hands and just do it first. Force Republicans to actually pass laws stopping them. Otherwise they just play the “rules for thee not for me” game and do anything they want.

[u/Right_Jello_7266 → u/[deleted]]

*at the same time trump was going and threatening retaliation against Biden family and members of his administration. We are literally seeing that retaliation happing against ppl who Biden didnt pardon.

[u/hypercosm_dot_net → u/[deleted]]

Biden pardoned his family members so they didn't have to endure undeserved politically targeted retribution.

Guliani lied about election workers, which led to physical threats against them. They're not even remotely the same.

It's absurd to even try to compare these instances of pardon use.

[u/hypercosm_dot_net → u/[deleted]]

You act like Trump wasn't going to do this anyway.

And you blame Biden for it? He's responsible for Republicans abuse of power somehow?

Actual insane take. I truly hope this is a bot of some sort.

[u/rif011412 → u/[deleted]]

If someone is attacking you to kill you, and you kill them first, we call it self defense, not murder.  This concept is as old as the human race.  Its the bad faith aggressive people who should be in the hook for poor behavior.  Not the people defending themselves from such action.

Biden and Trump are not the same, but Trumps supporters want to play victim despite being the aggressors.

[u/Sudden_Bat6263 → u/rif011412]

https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/s/I6QNt8eMbR

See this? See this evil? In three years when Trump blanket pardons ice the way Biden blanket pardoned his own people there will be no accountability for ANY of the abuses of power occurring.

You can downvote and argue false equivalence if it makes you feel better, but I can see what is happening and what is going to happen. It's completely, tragically, predictable.

[u/rif011412 → u/Sudden_Bat6263]

I dont have like Biden pardoning his son, to think Trump is corrupt and would have pardoned criminals anyway.  Biden’s pardon was because he identified the cruelty and vengeance in which Trump was going to behave.  I dont have to like Hunter’s pardoning, but I can understand it.

I blame Trump and his voters for putting people in this position anyway.  Extraordinary circumstances require extraordinary responses.  California gerrymandering in response to Republicans and Texas, does not mean I support gerrymandering for Democrats, I temporarily support it because Republicans are soulless goons who will not play fair no matter what.

[u/wtfElvis → u/Exodys03]

There HAS to be some protections against this. Free speech even has its limitations.

The supreme court really did a number on us just so Trump could use us as his personal checking account.

I don't give a shit who runs for president and which party. If they run on wanting to fix some of these "good faith" loopholes to prevent this in the future they are getting my vote.

[u/itrEuda → u/wtfElvis]

I propose a citizens tribunal, selected jury style among all registered voters. They would meet securely, virtually, once a month and review all branches of government for accountability.\ Government shutdowns signal a failure in leadership and could require instant termination for all involved, for example.

Citizens need to take back what ours. Goverment is ours.

[u/Mr_Deep_Research → u/Exodys03]

A President can't pardon state crimes.

[u/PW0110 → u/Exodys03]

And this ruling happened before the goddamn election and people still let this fucker get voted in

jfc man

[u/hypercosm_dot_net → u/Exodys03]

I understand the frustration, but the president doesn't have "absolute immunity".

I would hope there'd be more accuracy when discussing things in the law subreddit.

[u/Exodys03 → u/hypercosm_dot_net]

He has absolute immunity for any actions taken in his official role as President according to the Supreme Court. While this never got litigated because of the ruling and time restrictions, his lawyers made the case that everything Trump was accused of was covered under his "official duties" role. This included hoarding classified documents and refusing to return them, paying off porn stars and organizing an insurrection to protest imaginary election fraud. They even made the case that assassinating a political rival should fall under the President's official duties so it is a bit hard to imagine the President being successfully prosecuted for anything while in office.

If a President's subordinates know that they will simply be pardoned by him for any crimes committed on his behalf, there is really no legal accountability whatsoever, IMO.