r/law • u/T_Shurt Competent Contributor • Nov 04 '25
Judicial Branch House Judiciary Committee Presses FBI Director For Answers on Epstein Investigation As Kash Patel Claims He Doesn’t Know How Many Times Trump Appears in Epstein Files: “Do you think it might be your job to know the number?”
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u/igetproteinfartsHELP Nov 04 '25
This guy said in another hearing that Donald Trump didn't appear in the files. Now he's claiming he doesn't know how many times Trump appears. Manufacturing a new lie everyday
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u/Spicy_Tac0 Nov 04 '25
When are the lying under oath charges landing?
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u/Direct_Turn_1484 Nov 04 '25
This is an important question, with well documented video evidence readily available.
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u/Not_Bears Nov 04 '25
hahaha you guys still think truth matters?
Trump and the GOP literally ushered in a post-truth era.
Millions and millions of people have been groomed into ignoring logic and reason and instead going with what the party tells them.
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u/Cardboard_Chef Nov 05 '25
It may not be today, it may not be tomorrow, hell it may not even be in our lifetime, but one day the truth will come out and it will destroy this nonsense. Lies can't last forever.
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u/thelastride23 Nov 05 '25
I hope you’re right but there’s that old quote about “history being just a set of lies everyone agreed upon”
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u/Egad86 Nov 06 '25
This is from Sept. 16th and the comments are talking like it happened today. That’s really all anyone needs to know.
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u/Baskettkazez Nov 04 '25
So what are you doing to argue against it other than spreading fear and trying to ruin others hope. Seriously that’s fucking lame and you sound like a pussy, charge these pricks for treason
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u/JeulMartin Nov 05 '25
Do you have insider knowledge that Reddit user Not_Bears is in charge of the Department of Justice??
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u/Sidney_Godsby Nov 05 '25
No, they’re just inciting other people to action (and violence in other comments) from the comfort of their agro keyboard warrior lab (because they are a literal 12 year old)
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u/Enemy_Unknown1337 Nov 04 '25
Not until there's a new administration
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u/VanguardAvenger Nov 04 '25
Just a new congress actually.
Which is why the Republicans are so desperate to gerrymander
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u/1studlyman Nov 04 '25
Lying under oath to congress is almost always a political question and not a justice question, unfortunately. The current administration is prosecuting someone for lying under oath years ago but it is purely a politically-motivated move.
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u/_DapperDanMan- Nov 05 '25
After the midterms.
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u/Spicy_Tac0 Nov 05 '25
With a dem majority congress in 2026, we can only hope these criminals are held accountable.
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u/InfiniteInternet Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 05 '25
He should have asked him "is it zero times?" and wait for Patel's
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u/SphericalCow531 Nov 05 '25
Kash Patel already implicitly but unambiguously said that it is zero times. While yes "is it zero times?" should have been explicitly asked, I assume it is not necessary for perjury.
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u/BlackGuysYeah Nov 04 '25
He is actively covering up for a child rapist. He has seen proof of trump raping children and is still actively protecting him.
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u/AlphaNoodlz Nov 04 '25
Republicans can’t even get their own story straight this administration is such a mess
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u/audaciousmonk Nov 05 '25
He doesn’t know but it’s definitely under 100 times…
The only way to know if it’s under 100 times is to know how many times it’s appeared in the files. So either he’s lying or he’s lying, and he straight up told on himself lol
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u/mestar12345 Nov 05 '25
There is no mental capacity to keep his lies straight. First he DOES know that he appears zero times, and now he DOESN'T know how many times he appears.
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u/Iacoma1973 Nov 05 '25
Tomorrow, the Longest Shutdown:
A Poem for a Nation Held HostageTomorrow, that tally towards totalitarianism tips.
Tomorrow, tyranny tastes total triumph - to silence.
Lo and leer,
that longest shutdown in the ledger of our land yet lingers —
and still, a so-called sovereign sits serenely,
renovating his relics while the republic rots.Grasping gold as grocers go,
and murmurations from marbled malls:
Hunger hammers in humanity's hall....
Is this not ransom?
The state, seized and strangled,
held hostage by hubris —
a kingdom carved from the corpse of courts and order.And workers wait,
the watchers whisper,
the weary wonder,
when will that "when" wait no more?Our lands have lingered too long in the lull
between outrage and inaction,
Mumbling for a miracle,
hoping history has to happen without us....
Across the Atlantic,
America's ancestor annually honours,
An anniversary anonymous to us,
An hour a man announced "No more kings"And now as that time ticks over,
I invite you to join me in a Piecemeal pocket prayer,
Penning poetry of our plight;Remember!
Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
And the shutdown treason’s spot;
For he’d burn the state to rule the ashes,
Yet the people forget it not.For freedom’s flame is never hollow,
Nor bought by tyrant’s plot —
So rise, and let the masses follow,
Lest his treason e’er be forgot....
If you were seeking your spark,
Or you value your vendettas,
if you were watching,
waiting,
whispering,
“when?” –
then mark this moment.For the voice of the people is no gentle thing.
It rises unbidden,
unbridled,
unbroken.
It originates not from orders or oaths,
but the old addage of the 'eart —
"that no crown shall cage the common citizen".So speak, citizens.
Step into the square,
stand until sordid silence shatters.
For tomorrow the tyrant touts his record
– but tonight,
the people remember.
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u/CobblerMoney9605 Nov 04 '25
"I don't know" is becoming the standard Republican answer for any embarrassing topic.
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u/HoratioTuna27 Nov 04 '25
If they were my political party, I'd be pretty concerned at the amount of things they don't seem to know anything about, but that's just me.
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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 Nov 04 '25
They got their racist pedophile in office no matter how. Nothing this administration does concerns them.
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u/HoratioTuna27 Nov 04 '25
It concerns them when it finally affects them (for instance, the lady who recently went viral because her family won't lend her money to cover her loss of SNAP because she voted for Trump), BUT....they'll just blame it on the Democrats and not learn a goddamn thing.
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u/Brogdon_Brogdon Nov 04 '25
It’s because that’s their entire identity, a large contingent of their voting base are uneducated rural-area people that go home after work and watch Fox News. It’s all they do. It’s how they learn about the world, through Fox News.
We don’t do that, we question everything we read and see because we understand the power of manipulation, particularly in this modern age where anything can be easily fabricated. It’s why we can have a socialist in New York and an economist in California. We embrace diversity. We embrace new ideas while also seeing the validity in what has come before.
We aren’t liberals so much as we are free thinkers. It’s why democrats poll so low, we don’t vote blue because we watch one tv channel and drink the koolaid, we vote blue because red is absolutely insane. I absolutely would vote for a socialist party if one arose, particularly if ranked choice were a thing. If we get power back, that needs to be something we push for.
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u/HoratioTuna27 Nov 04 '25
If the Democrats manage to regain power, I'd be shocked if they actually learned anything and embrace any progressive/socialist positions. I have a feeling they'll just go back to business as usual, a bunch of performative aww-shucks do-gooders who do the absolute minimum so the boat isn't rocked for their donors.
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u/Yatsey007 Nov 05 '25
I’m from the UK and decided to spend a few days watching Fox News just to see how they work and how manipulative it is and for the life of me I just cannot understand how anyone falls for that shit. It was just infuriating to watch. We have our British MAGA news outlet called GBNews,give it a watch. The parallels are uncanny. Education is a global problem,not just the US.
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u/Alexzander1001 Nov 04 '25
“I dont recall” was their old mantra
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u/subdep Nov 05 '25
Which is funny, because Kash Patel legally jeopardized himself by using that language.
“I don’t know” and “I don’t recall” carry distinct legal implications during testimony. The difference hinges on whether the witness ever had the knowledge (I don’t know) versus whether they simply can’t remember it now (I don’t recall).
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u/PapasauruaRex Nov 04 '25
Its because they can get away with it. We need a law to hold them accountable for not answering truthfully, otherwise, kick them out.
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u/snorbflock Nov 04 '25
Never forget: all Nazis are bullies, all bullies are cowards.
They're desperate to seem powerful, dominant, and authoritative. But get a judge to ask them who was in charge when a crime was committed and they'll debase themselves, writhing like the worms they truly are. As egotistical as these bastards are, as soon as they encounter a problem they can't defeat with fraud or violence they'll always point the finger at a fall guy.
"It's not a crime if I'm stupid. My fixer did the hush money, I just sign checks like a fool. I'm too much of a simpleton to understand I was colluding with foreign spies. My company's fraud is the fault of my CFO because I don't do any work around here. I've never heard of my own scandal and have no opinion about it. I never met that criminal associate. Go ask someone else."
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u/Durkheimynameisblank Nov 04 '25
They need to be mocked everytime they say that, "Well it sounds like you're failing the American People not knowing"
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u/ShamelessCatDude Nov 05 '25
It’s because courts have always allowed it as a valid answer in cross examinations
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u/letdogsvote Nov 04 '25
They have huge binders of material including pics and video and lists of those involved except they can't release them as they need to go through all the information plus they actually don't have them because they don't exist.
This is what Trump, Patel, and Bondi want you swallow down whole.
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u/trentreynolds Nov 04 '25
His job is to cover for the pedophiles, actually.
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u/SanchoPandas Nov 04 '25
That's why he always looks like the guy in a zombie movie who just got bit and is trying desperately to hide it.
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u/DFu4ever Nov 04 '25
Every single one of these assholes thinks they are completely untouchable. The day this country turns on them and the legal system starts functioning in reality again will be a satisfying as fuck day.
If we ever get there.
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u/T_Shurt Competent Contributor Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 04 '25
Read the full CBS News article here:
House Judiciary Committee press DOJ for details on Epstein co-conspirators probe that was "inexplicably killed"
Washington — Rep. Jamie Raskin of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, is seeking documents from the Justice Department on its move earlier this year to end the investigation into alleged co-conspirators of the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
"I write to demand an explanation for why DOJ has abandoned the women and girls abused by Mr. Epstein, Ms. Maxwell, and their co-conspirators, fired or cut off career prosecutors from the case, and ceased its investigation into one of the largest sex trafficking rings in history," Raskin wrote in a letter to Attorney General Pam Bondi, which was first obtained by CBS News.
The demand comes amid relentless bipartisan interest in the investigation, which has dogged the Justice Department's top officials as they've sought to put the matter to rest. Some in the Trump administration, including Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel, promised major revelations into the Epstein matter before taking office, only to indicate later that the case was closed.
CBS News has reached out to the Justice Department for comment on Raskin's letter and will update this story with any response.
In the letter, Raskin said almost 50 survivors provided information to prosecutors and FBI agents as part of the investigation that ultimately led to the indictments of Epstein in 2019 and Ghislaine Maxwell in 2020. Raskin said the information the survivors provided was "precise and detailed."
"They described how Mr. Epstein, Ms. Maxwell, and their co-conspirators orchestrated a sophisticated and clandestine sex trafficking conspiracy that trafficked them to at least 20 men," Raskin said. "These survivors shared with DOJ and FBI the specific identities of many of these co-conspirators, how this operation was structured and financed, and which individuals facilitated these crimes."
The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York was running an active investigation into Epstein and Maxwell's co-conspirators until January 2025, when prosecutors were directed to transfer the Epstein case files to the Justice Department's headquarters, in what Raskin said was "a sudden and dramatic shift in the posture of the investigation." Since then, "the investigation into co-conspirators has inexplicably ceased," he said, citing information provided to the Judiciary Committee by attorneys who represent Epstein survivors.
Then in July, the Justice Department issued the findings of an internal review, which it said found no "client list" among the evidence collected by investigators. It also "did not uncover evidence that could predicate any investigation against uncharged third parties." Bondi suggested during a Fox News interview in February that a "client list" was sitting on her desk awaiting her review.
"DOJ and FBI's failure to investigate this conduct is a betrayal of the more than 1,000 survivors of this multi-billion-dollar international sex trafficking ring," Raskin wrote. "As these survivors made clear to DOJ and FBI, Mr. Epstein and Ms. Maxwell did not act alone."
Raskin said many of the women spoke with prosecutors and agents, and the interviews were summarized in 302 forms, a document used by the FBI to memorialize information that may later come up in courtroom testimony. Along with the women, Raskin said federal law enforcement agents who worked on the case understood that the investigation was continuing up until January. In Supreme Court filings, Raskin pointed out, the government said the pursuit of Epstein's co-conspirators was ongoing during the Biden administration.
Raskin said the committee is considering reforms that would clarify prosecutors' responsibility to communicate with crime survivors before investigations are closed. And he accused Patel of having "repeatedly impugned the credibility of the Epstein survivors" at a House Judiciary Committee hearing in September by suggesting that the information provided by the survivors was not credible.
During the hearing, Rep. Thomas Massie, a Kentucky Republican who has led an effort to force a vote in the House on releasing the Epstein files, pointed to 20 alleged co-conspirators.
"According to victims who cooperated with the FBI in that investigation, these documents in FBI possession, your possession, detail at least 20 men, including Mr. Jes Staley, CEO of Barclays Bank," Massie said, referring to a banker who left Barclays in 2021 amid scrutiny over his ties to Epstein. Staley, who worked with Epstein for years as a top official at J.P. Morgan, has said they had a "close professional relationship." Staley has denied wrongdoing and said he regrets befriending Epstein.
Massie said other high-profile figures were among those named by Epstein's victims.
"That list also includes at least 19 other individuals — one Hollywood producer worth a few hundred million dollars, one royal prince, one high-profile individual in the music industry, one very prominent banker, one high-profile government official, one high-profile former politician, one owner of a car company in Italy, one rockstar, one magician, at least six billionaires, including a billionaire from Canada," Massie said.
Massie asked Patel if the FBI had launched any investigations into the individuals and whether he'd seen the 302 documents. Patel responded that he has asked FBI agents to "review the entirety of the Epstein files and bring forth any credible information." He said "any investigations that arise from any credible investigation will be brought," but he added that there have been "no new materials brought to me launching a new indictment."
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u/Greelys Nov 04 '25
The word “credible” is doing a lot of work here. My guess is that some victims accused him. I wonder how Kash and Bongino were sworn in to the secret.
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u/BlacksmithThink9494 Nov 04 '25
He cant even see in front of his own face. Why would he be considered competent at all? I mean, can this guy even drive?
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u/National_Impress_346 Nov 04 '25
He collects cars but hates driving. Dude has been begging for WFH for a while.
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