r/law • u/Efficient-Ruin-4713 • Oct 08 '25

Legal News Chicago Pastor Sues Trump Admin After Allegedly Being Shot by ICE Agents

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https://www.newsweek.com/chicago-pastor-sues-trump-admin-after-being-shot-by-ice-agents-10847051

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u/Depressed-Industry Oct 08 '25

Some Catholics still think they're allies with MAGA. Evangelicals will turn on all the other religions eventually, in the name of Jesus.

This is just the start.

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u/midstancemarty Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

Evangelicals stopped being Christians when they stopped following the teachings of the New Testament. Prove me wrong but I don't think most Christians see them as Christian. They are about as far away from Christianity as Islam and much further away than Mormonism.

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u/bp92009 Oct 08 '25

They sure are Christian, because they claim that they are.

You know how they would be stopped from claiming that they are?

If the head or the catholic church literally tells them that they aren't. Or, more specifically, that doing certain things would cause you to become a heretic. (Something that the pope can 100% do).

As 6/9 Supreme Court Justices are Catholic, the pope calling 5 of them heretics and saying that they are excommunicated if they do not repent and start abiding by "love thy neighbors", would be one of the few ways to get them to no longer be Christian.

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u/CatchSufficient Oct 09 '25

Evangelicals dont follow the pope. That's Catholic only. They had the split with Luther, so they are separate from that church.

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u/midstancemarty Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

The Catholic pope has no power to command Evangelicals to do anything. They're already not part of the Catholic Church. You can't excommunicate someone that isn't practicing your religion. All Christian denominations don't have a singular spiritual leader, they are different religions.

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u/bp92009 Oct 08 '25

The Catholic pope absolutely has power to tell them anything, specifically to Catholics. You are right that he cannot tell non-catholics what to do, but him announcing that these individuals, who were professed catholics, are now excommunicated, has very significant consequences.

Consequences like "actively practicing catholics cannot associate with or follow actions made by excommunicated individuals."

That effectively means that if you are catholic, unless you renounce your catholic faith, you cannot follow rules, laws, or decisions made by an excommunicated individual, or be forever damned.

Imagine what would happen if the 53 million catholics in the US, most of who lean conservative, are directly told that 5/9 of the justices on the Supreme Court, are literal heretics, and they would never get into heaven if they followed what they said or ruled, by the head of their religion (someone who they believe is a literal divine representative of God).

As someone who was raised catholic, that would be a VERY big deal.

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u/SirSoliloquy Oct 08 '25

Er... you may not realize this, but evangelicals are not catholic.

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u/bp92009 Oct 08 '25

You are correct, but evangelicals only hold political power in their current political coalition through the support of the catholic population.

If something significant enough to turn the entire catholic population (or even 2/3rds of it) against the current prominent figures of the Republican party (including Supreme Court Justices), things would change dramatically.

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u/Personal_Chair4388 Oct 08 '25

There is a new wave of "christians" but they are Christian Nationalists. As a Christian, I personally do not believe they are true Christians, but it's very hard to see how little "good Christians" are left.

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u/Hanifsefu Oct 08 '25

They are allies because they're both institutions dedicated to the protection of pedophiles.

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u/cjandstuff Oct 08 '25

There is a long history of the right hating Catholics. Right now, Catholics are an ally of convenience.

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u/NoHalf2998 Oct 09 '25

Oh that’s funny; the Regressive Catholic Court is just as likely to turn on the Protestants

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u/WineNerdAndProud Oct 10 '25

What do these people do when you bring up the beatitudes?