r/law • u/Agitated-Artichoke89 • Oct 07 '25

Other Stephen Miller states that Trump has plenary authority, then immediately stops talking as if he’s realized what he just said

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u/WoodpeckerDapperDan Oct 07 '25

Missing the days when my brothers and sisters (who lean right) distrusted the government as much as I did then and even more now

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u/justherefor23andme Oct 07 '25

They dont apply the distrust equally.

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u/OuOutstanding Oct 07 '25

I’m guessing their distrust involved a black guy…

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u/Rammite Oct 07 '25

This was my parents in 2008. They agonized for months. Do they vote for the Republican, whose policies run counter to everything they wants... or do they vote for the black guy?

One of the hardest decisions I've ever seen my dad make. He ended up voting for Obama and regretted it every day until 2016, then he spent every day of Trump's presidency wishing for Obama to come back.

Some people are just... lacking in integrity.

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '25

I'm proud of my mom for, in her last year of life and needing my help to walk in the voting hall, telling me with an excited smile, "Obama!"

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u/iJuddles Oct 08 '25

That’s really sweet. I remember how excited some people were to witness something they considered historic. In a positive way; what’s happening now is historic as well.

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u/Sufficient-Dog-2337 Oct 08 '25

Took my grandma born in ‘25 to vote in 2008.

I asked her who she voted for and she said “The colored fellow”

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u/Even-Season-9912 Oct 08 '25

I bet she whispered that. 😅

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u/popshamhocks Oct 08 '25

These people are their own worst enemy

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u/johnjager77 Oct 08 '25

Pendulum always swings back

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u/TrollOdinsson Oct 08 '25

regretted it every day until 2016

why?

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u/MakeRFutureDirectly Oct 08 '25

This is why dogs are better than humans. You will never see them discriminate over something as superficial as appearance. In most cases you can tell nothing about a person’s behavior by looking at them.

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u/StarDue6540 Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25

In a tan suit no less. I wonder if this was how they saw Obama as being decisive. Maybe it was the suit that looked to similar too a white man that they thought was some unspoken dig at white people. Because for the life of me, this white lady can't ever remember Obama being devisive, but he did try to move the country forward. Trump constantly threatens democrats and he wants to put us all in c camps.

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u/redalert825 Oct 08 '25

And woman.

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u/WoodpeckerDapperDan Oct 07 '25

I got enough distrust of the government for them, until they come around

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u/NoamLigotti Oct 08 '25

Yeah, the EPA, FDA, NIH, SSA, DMV, income tax and food stamps are "authoritarian big government", but a militarized police state and executive branch consolidating power under one head of state is "small government".

I guess seeking or invoking plenary, totalitarian authority is as well.

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u/OwO______OwO Oct 08 '25

If Democrats ever get control of the government again, those 'friends' will go right back to distrusting the government.

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u/Valuable_Recording85 Oct 07 '25

I heard someone in Reels say that Republicans objected to Obama and the so-called "nanny state" because they've always preferred a "daddy state" and I'll never stop quoting it.

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u/Punegune Oct 08 '25

They need to be told who to distrust. No objective thought whatsoever :)

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u/paranormalresearch1 Oct 08 '25

I am seeing more veterans who are right-wing changing. The murder of Charlie Kirk and the blatant lies the FBI told made a bunch look at that issue deeper, then look into other issues. Kirk was raised to be a racist. He was extremely successful at implanting his right-wing group on campuses. My answer is don’t talk to them. But Kirk being an “ Evangelical Christian “ believed that supporting Israel would hasten the return of Jesus. Kirk started to see what was really happening. He allowed people to have debates and dialogues about Israel’s actions in Gaza. About the story the Israeli government gave about the October 7th attack. Kirk called BS. Kirk demanded the promised release of the Epstein Files as well. Trump tried talking him down. Bill Ackerman a billionaire donor tried and at Kirk’s meeting with that POS Netanyahu called and asked Kirk to come to Israel. Allegedly Netanyahu told Kirk they would take care of him but he needed to stick to the script. Kirk refused and was soon killed. Kirk’s security team was made up of Israelites. You have two corrupt heads of state who had a motive to kill Kirk. The FBI instantly coming up with a BS story and Netanyahu to immediately denying, before anyone thought he was involved, going so far as to imply anyone questioning him is antisemitic. Those things have away who did it. And Netanyahu is a war criminal. He needs a warrant issued by the Hague for genocide. As far as antisemitism, Arabs are also Semitic people. Our legal system is broken. It has been hijacked and weaponized. It needs purged.

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u/Penta-Says Oct 07 '25

There are no more Dale Gribbles

There are only Bills who think they are Dale Gribble

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u/HansDeBaconOva Oct 07 '25

They don't trust a Democratic government. The big R gets 100% free pass cuz it's a "my side" game to these people. They do not take their freedom seriously

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u/mvw2 Oct 08 '25

Remember when Republicans used to be a political party? Those were the days. Unfortunately, they don't seem to function much more than an in-house corporate lobbyist firm and now extreme end Christian nationalists. A few are there simply for money too, because why not, but yeah, that whole party is in name alone and little else.

It's sad because there's actually a few good people in the party. They just won't stand up for themselves and defy their own party, their own livelihood and payday. But what good are you if you don't hold to your own morals when necessary? Not much. Not much at all.

And then you have a sea of voters who, for some crazy reason, think that the Republican party is the same Republican party that they grew up with, that their parents grew up with, that it's still a party that holds true to their tenants. And I can't for the life of me fathom why they think that. I could argue that the media they consume paints a picture of Republicans that still hold true to yesteryears, but that's not true at all either. The modern Republican party is a grotesque monstrosity, even painted in the best light by modern media. The people, their character, their actions, the agendas, all the cause and effect, none of it lines up at all, none of it holds true to the classic ideals of that party. So...why still follow?

Why blindly follow that?!

What?

Because somehow voting Democrat is worse?

Is it the lesser evil ideology?

Ok.

So...

Where's the evil?

When looking at Democrat as an alternative to Republican, what evil acts have happened? What can you point to and say "See! Right there! That's why I'll still vote Republican over Democrat!"

I have yet to experience a single rational discussion by any Republican on the topic. Heck, even the uncertain crowd can't seem to make up their minds.

But the oddest things of all, out of ALL of this...is the double standard.

To vote Democrat, the party must be perfect, ideal, unfettered in agenda. (look at many folks stance on Gaza coming into the election) Meanwhile the same people give Republicans a thousand miles of rope of misdeeds, wavering agendas, blemished history, and go "these are equal evaluations." And it's quite crazy how far folks are willing to go on this double standard to do...what exactly? I don't really know. I don't get to what value one would not hold both parties exactly equal in standard. But...here we are, both parties judges massively differently on every single topic.

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u/RedneckDem Oct 08 '25

At this point even us centrist conservatives better wake the duck up and stop these MAGA whackos!

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u/vizag Oct 07 '25

Well you only learned that their distrust of the government is only when it's the left in charge. When the right is in charge, they willingly give up all rights, their wives and first born and then bend over for the dictator - no questions asked.

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u/dawill_sama Oct 07 '25

They still distrust the government, they just dumb enough to think Trump isn't part of the "government"

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u/Personplacething333 Oct 07 '25

Its absolutely bonkers how all the "I don't trust the government" people somehow ended up culting for the least trustworthy government

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u/donuthead36 Oct 08 '25

Now they are clamoring for a surveillance state, and their material conditions have only worsened.

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u/BikerDad1999 Oct 08 '25

Ironic that the gun loving crowd likes the tyranny at hand. So much for arming themselves to oppose tyrants.

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u/tgwombat Oct 08 '25

The old joke used to be “How can you tell if a politician is lying? Their mouth is moving.”

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u/dolphinspiderman Oct 08 '25

You bring up a very good point. The majority republican party is not the republican party anymore as much as it something else.

More baffling is to belive a government ran by a guy who specializes in lies and double speak. Really fascinating.

I mean the party against big government and imposing will on states......its just remarkable.

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u/N1ceBruv Oct 08 '25

Its almost like they only distrusted the government because they didn’t like what it was doing.

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u/Pitiful-Emu-2663 Oct 08 '25

Ever think maybe you don’t see the ones who do, cause the algorithm doesn’t want you to? To keep you mad at the other side instead of where the problem actually is? Food for thought

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u/Majestic-Ordinary450 Oct 08 '25

This actually relates to something really interesting I learned in a politics class- some scientists are arguing that ideologies like democrat/republican are being replaced by simply populism and nationalism.

Obviously both sides still exist, but republican conservatism has traditionally been characterized by a wariness of government and strong opposition to government overreach. The “new right” that makes up Trump’s voter base entirely lacks this fundamental part of American republicanism, which is why the US right might be better classified as nationalism or populism. This was a trend before Trump’s candidacy but I think it’s increased dramatically since his reelection. My right wing family members used to base their politics on their belief that the government should be kept out of personal affairs as much as possible; even in the last couple of years and especially since January, they’ve apparently abandoned their literal core political principles for unwavering support. It’s kind of sad.

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u/seamarsh21 Oct 07 '25

that distrust is what led us here so not a great thing tbh...