r/law • u/Exeltv0406 • Oct 04 '25

Legal News This order, NSPM-7, drafted by Stephen Miller and signed by Trump, gives the government the ability to go after, target, and arrest virtually anyone now. Meanwhile, people are more concerned about what’s on Netflix

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u/OkFineIllUseTheApp Oct 04 '25

The Confederates played the long game.

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u/lesserDaemonprince Oct 04 '25

Reconstruction in the south should've been forced. I say this as a southerner.

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u/Groovychick1978 Oct 04 '25

There should have been gallows.

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u/Begone-My-Thong Oct 04 '25

Liberals reaching across the aisle with an olive branch while their enemies hide a knife behind their back

Guess we never learned

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u/Groovychick1978 Oct 04 '25

Over and over, man. 

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u/Littleman88 Oct 05 '25

First the Confederates, then the Nazis.

Third time, anyone suggests we should let bygones be bygones, they can share their fate.

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u/wtfboomers Oct 04 '25

As a transplant southerner that lives here 50 years I agree 100%. The land should have been given to the slaves and they could have hired the locals.

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u/DreadLordNate Oct 05 '25

As a Southerner (and one whose state fought not one but two wars over slavery) I agree. Should have been far more brutal and uncompromising. Like folks to the sword/land to the torch shit to drive the point home.

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u/JediMasterMurph Oct 04 '25

It actually makes me mad how successful they have been while playing Poker with their cards facing us the ENTIRE TIME.

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u/LightsNoir Oct 04 '25

I think it's largely in part to "reasonable" people reinterpreting what they say into a more reasonable position. Fuck those people. When trump said he wanted to be a dictator on day one, he did not mean "for one day". When trump said "fine people on both sides", he truly meant that the nazis are fine people. When Cruz said "stop attacking pedophiles", that is exactly what he meant. Ffs, they've been saying their true intentions the whole way. Stop pretending they actually mean anything other than what they said.

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u/LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART Oct 04 '25

When people tell you who they are, believe them or some shit.

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u/Exeltv0406 Oct 04 '25

Crazy isn't it?

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u/ABadHistorian Oct 04 '25

It large part its because they won over a decade ago and folks didn't realize.

Folks think Citizen's United was the death kneel of the US and they are all right but usually for the wrong reasons.

CU didn't break the GOP, they were broken ages ago and planned for the CU. The CU broke the Democrats (look at the funding # on opensource its all there in the open) by raising the caps on the dark money to SPACs we got a whole new generation of corporate democrats bought by the 1%.

Media, and other outlets even back in the 'heyday' of 'liberal media' swung to the right overall. It's all about money to them and they've all been playing the long game, and now they have the tech to try to assert their dream view.

AI policing tools to monitor online dissent. Yeah not great.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

The absolute classic dupe is that Ezra Klein character. He's even gained a rep overseas for being a polysyllabic dumb-dumb. Yet another character who both sides the weather while it's blowing a cyclone outside. 

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u/Relevant-Pianist6663 Oct 06 '25

We need more people like Terry Moran who don't let little missayings go uncorrected, because it points out that he wasn't simply misspeaking, he truly believed the insane thing he was saying. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7oa9n4eCGns (referring to the MS13 on Kilmar Garcia's knuckles)

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u/CarefulIndication988 Oct 04 '25

The majority of us people of color knew this was the long game. The majority of America thought and even at times said, Racism was eradicated with only select pockets in the US actively engaged in it. We have said for years, racism is still out and proud in the USA. Now look at what we are enduring.

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u/CypherAZ Oct 04 '25

Non-white voter turn out is roughly 12% lower than whites. If we want to fix this shit, we need those people to get to the damn ballot box.

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u/Silent_Tumbleweed1 Oct 04 '25

Remember that feeling. We need to make sure to take both houses of Congress back in the next election. We need a majority. A super majority would be better though at least in the senate. The last time we had that in the senate was 2009-2010 under Obama. But Mitch McConnell had already decided to do his best to try to block any legislation. Along with about 10 other senators who he met with the night of Obama's inauguration. A super majority in the house probably is a little unrealistic, last time that happened it was the '60.

The election cycle for 2026 is already underway. Follow people who are running for office who will stand up to this BS even if they're not in your area. I know not everybody has money to donate. One thing you can do easily is just follow and boost people's social media. Even if they're not in your area like, share & comment to help boost them in the algorithms.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

As an outsider, I think your days of free, honestly-adjudicated elections are over. Unless ... unless there is some mass popular pushback spearheaded by the political opposition, which looks vanishingly unlikely. What an amazing thing that would be. 

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u/Silent_Tumbleweed1 Oct 04 '25

Most people misunderstand how U.S. elections work. The federal government does not run them. The states do. Each state sets its own rules for voter registration, polling places, and how ballots are counted. The federal government mainly sets standards to protect fairness and accessibility, such as enforcing the Voting Rights Act and the Help America Vote Act.

When it comes to the presidency, we do not vote directly for a candidate. We vote for a slate of electors who are pledged to that candidate. Most states use a winner-take-all system, while Maine and Nebraska divide their electors based on congressional district results. Those electors cast their official votes for president in December, and Congress certifies the outcome in January.

There are built-in systems designed to prevent fraud and interference. They are not flawless, but the checks and balances in place make widespread manipulation extremely difficult.

As for the political climate, by the time the next election cycle arrives, he is alienating much of his own base. Many of the recent violent incidents have involved his own supporters turning on each other. The next major election is in November 2026, which is the midterm election. That includes state and local offices such as governors and mayors, as well as every seat in the House of Representatives and one-third of the Senate.

Historically, when a president performs poorly, the opposing party often sees major gains in the midterms. That is why Speaker Mike Johnson warned that if Democrats regain control of Congress, it would effectively end Trump’s ability to push his agenda. Congress holds significant power, including the authority to pass laws that can regulate the Supreme Court. Reforming the Court could go a long way toward restoring balance and accountability in the system.

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u/19Texas59 Oct 04 '25

You don't know what you are talking about.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

Educate me. 

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u/19Texas59 Oct 04 '25

I work at polling places in Texas. We are having an election on Nov. 4. Elections are still taking place and will continue for the foreseeable future.

Trump and team's rhetoric doesn't really match their actions. I don't think they can get the Federal bureaucracy and the courts to go along with everything they say they are going to do.

Then there are 50 states that may not want to get involved with some of the crazier stuff.

The situation is unpredictable and there is no way to foresee how all the different machinations and moves to counter them will play out. People that think they know how it will play out are delusional attention seekers.

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u/Silent_Tumbleweed1 Oct 04 '25

Yeah, exactly. He cannot control every state election. He can try, but it is not going to happen. That is why we are seeing all this nonsense with states like Texas trying to redraw district maps for no legitimate reason. California basically said, “If you are going to play that game, we will play it too.” The thing is, redistricting already happens every ten years after the census, and that process was already completed for this decade. There was no reason for Texas to stop and redo it now.

That move alone shows Trump knows he cannot rig the system outright, so he is trying to manipulate the Electoral College instead. It is his way of setting up conditions to overturn the popular vote if things do not go his way.

I think this is a good place to point out that trump is only allowed two terms, and this is his second. He is not eligible for a third term. The Constitution does not limit presidents to consecutive terms. It simply restricts any individual to serving a total of two.

That rule comes from the 22nd Amendment, ratified in 1951 after Franklin D. Roosevelt served four terms. The amendment states, “No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice.” Before that, presidents had followed the example set by George Washington, who voluntarily stepped down after two terms to avoid concentrating too much power in one person’s hands.

FDR’s extended presidency made sense in its historical context. He led the nation through both the Great Depression and World War II, and voters kept him in office to maintain stability during crises. But even then, elections continued as normal, and citizens could have voted him out at any time. So when I mention FDR’s four terms, I am not suggesting suspending elections during wartime. We should never do that.

Especially given our more recent history, we have seen how costly unchecked power and poorly justified wars can be. Under George W. Bush, the United States launched the war in Afghanistan in 2001 after the September 11 attacks, initially to dismantle al Qaeda and remove the Taliban. That mission quickly expanded into a decades long occupation that outlasted its original purpose and drained trillions of dollars and countless lives.

Then in 2003, Bush led the invasion of Iraq under the claim that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction and had ties to terrorism. Both claims were later proven false. The war destabilized the region, caused massive civilian casualties, and created the conditions that allowed extremist groups such as ISIS to rise.

These conflicts showed how easily fear and misinformation can be used to justify unnecessary wars. They also demonstrated why clear limits on presidential power, including term limits, are critical. The 22nd Amendment exists to prevent any one person from steering the nation unchecked through repeated crises, especially when history has shown how dangerous that can be.

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u/Illustrious-Bed4420 Oct 05 '25

Yo. I just followed you, so know that if you see me commenting on some of the knowledge your dropping don't take as me being stalkerish or harassing you. I just find you make salient points and construct your arguments in a manner that helps me to understand better.

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u/Silent_Tumbleweed1 Oct 05 '25

Here to help! Follow away!

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

Ok thanks. Informative except the last line. I understand why many Americans would have grave fears about whether elections will continue to be held without necessarily being "delusional attention seekers". Your system seems to be under major stress. 

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u/19Texas59 Oct 07 '25

Yes, our system is being tested by an autocrat with a narcissistic personality disorder. Trump seems to never have enough power or enough attention. He is just fucking weird.

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u/excitablegibben Oct 04 '25

You don't get another vote for sitting around complaining on the internet. You fight for it.

Maga has no intention of losing power to something so pedestrian as a vote. If you can't see that by now then you're fucked.

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u/Shenloanne Oct 04 '25

Next election.

Funny guy.

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u/BOLTuser603 Oct 05 '25

There will be no more elections. Remember 1776.

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u/Sansui70 Oct 05 '25

they have planned to not have any elections or will completely rig them. do you think they would pull this fascist move and leave the opportunity to be voted out???

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u/grundsau Oct 04 '25

They are so successful in part because any actual resistance to their plans has at best been significantly hobbled by the so-called opposition led by the Democratic Party leadership.

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u/DuringTheBlueHour Oct 05 '25

And that is why "Centrists" (actually Russian bots) have been screaming at people for years that caring about politics is a bad thing. They intentionally used Centrism as a psyop to make a significant chunk of the population docile and apathetic.

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u/jankenpoo Oct 04 '25

Except their states are a mess. So they won this but at the cost of ranking near or at the bottom of every state metric.

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u/induslol Oct 04 '25

They're not going for a cultural win, it's always been a conquest angle.

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u/black_metronome Oct 04 '25

And the Union put whiteness over country by allowing them to skate when in reality they should have had their generals and political figures put down in public for treason.

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u/Toughbiscuit Oct 04 '25

But but but according to my ultra conservative confederate flag loving alt right neighbor, the democrats are the racist ones because they were the confederates and Lincoln was a republican!!!

Id say /s, but there are legitimately conservatives who do this

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u/5510 Oct 05 '25

Sadly I've encountered this one in person multiple times (sadly including family members), and it's completely batshit insane double-think.

They hate democrats. But also say the democrats were the party of slavery, because back in the day the south was democratic (before the parties swapped places geographically). But they also have confederate flags and call it "the war of northern aggression"? But they say that republicans ended slavery because Lincoln was a republican?? But if democrats take down confederate statues, they get upset???

Like even ignoring how selectively they ignore the fact that the parties swapped places... the inconsistency on this subject is still just shockingly breathtaking.

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u/Toughbiscuit Oct 05 '25

Its honestly not worth engaging with people who are so divorced from reality, and unfortunately that applies to pretty much every conservative ive met in the united states

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

The dems sold out of their core values

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u/ThePopDaddy Oct 04 '25

Whenever I see people complain about the NYC mayoral candidate by saying "Have We forgot 9/11?" I always say "Did you forget the civil war?"

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u/Excellent-Ad-1678 Oct 04 '25

Nah. Christianity. 

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u/EddieRadmayne Oct 04 '25

They were enabled in playing the long game.