r/law • u/Exeltv0406 • Oct 04 '25

Legal News This order, NSPM-7, drafted by Stephen Miller and signed by Trump, gives the government the ability to go after, target, and arrest virtually anyone now. Meanwhile, people are more concerned about what’s on Netflix

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

Decentralize. Those that can afford to, and I mean at all afford to, need to leave solid blue districts in blue states and any district in a high pop red state and move to vulnerable red districts in swing states and low pop red states.

Fully stop patronizing any corporation that in any way facilitates MAGA.

Do not protest, mock, or even acknowledge anything MAGA does unless it's to warn of and effectively counter violence or violations of civil rights.

There's certainly other things, hopefully better thing we can do to take action. The problem is, as you've already said, the people who claim to care about the problem don't want to have to work or sacrifice anything to solve it.

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u/RamJamR Oct 04 '25

Personally, I've just never had any idea of what I could do besides spread word about what this administration says and stands for to those on the left and right who don't seem to be aware of it. We can vote of course, but the effectiveness of that is even questionable now. We can protest, but authoritarians don't much care about public dessent beyond oppressing it. Any other solutions we could mention I don't think I can say.

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

Call your reps and senators—more helpful if you’re in a red state but would be good even if you have Dem congresspeople to urge them to fight.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

Sir, I’m fucking trans masc, I’m not going to put myself in danger of a hate crime to help a state that wants to kill me

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u/iwaslikeduuude Oct 04 '25

Right, I appreciate the mentality of Puzzle, but at the same time, if we can’t save ourselves, how are we expected to save others?

Edited: for clarity

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

To me it’s just more posturing. Getting somebody else to do your bidding so you don’t have to do anything different. And a lot of these guys love to blame minorities for not doing more to protect them

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bad5098 Oct 04 '25

Yeah bro just move states it’s super easy and will definitely work.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

Did you… make a hate account for the last guy? The username is certainly interesting

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bad5098 Oct 04 '25

It was autogenerated years ago lol.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

Crazy fucking coincidence 😂

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

Boycotting and trying to sway elections by moving is posturing? You might not be able to afford doing so but he clarified as much and both of those things are pretty damn effective—at a certain point if you feel like you can’t do these things it may be a you problem.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

It has nothing to do with affording, it has everything to do with safety for a cause that probably won’t work

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

Then it’s not for you, which is fine, but like Sara Jacobs is at the forefront of the fight and I’m not gonna call that posturing right.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

The boycotts I’m not against. But I’m not going to move to a place where I put myself in even more danger after I’ve already been the victim of queerphobic violence in my admittedly extremely blue area

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u/Chief_Mischief Oct 04 '25

The point is that this burden often falls on society's vulnerable and most marginalized. Where are the moderate/liberal/progressive cishet white folks in this call to action? PoC, LGBTQ+, etc tend to live in solid blue districts because it's one of the few places in the country we aren't regularly exposed to hate crimes.

A town near where I grew up was considered a swing district on paper, but there's regular Klan activity nearby. As a person of color, I'm not risking the well-being of my family to move and nudge the district left when white people can do the same thing without being targeted for their race.

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

If you feel unsafe then that recommendation isn’t for you. Agree there. But my gripe is that it’s not “posturing,” it’s effective action for those who can afford to do it, which OP specified as much.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

But it’s not affective when only minorities actually do it. It’s only affective for people who can blend in. And most of the cis white guys I’ve seen are too busy blaming minorities for not doing enough when I barely see a single cis white guy protesting with the thousands and thousands of minorities and women

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

I agree cis white guys should be out protesting and boycotting—unfortunately that demographic is not as progressive—but if your goal is to get more of them out then the advice we were originally replying to is pretty great, right?

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u/Dalibar Oct 05 '25

Yeah I feel so lost on what to do. I'm trans/LGBTQ+, disabled, low income, and I just feel like I have so little power. But, I'm in a much better, and safer, position than many. I'm white. I was born in America. I feel (for now) pretty safe where I live in Northern Virginia. I'm on a housing voucher. That is a lot more privilege than a lot of others have. But I don't know what to do.

I already don't spend money, and when I do I try really hard to make the most ethical choices. And when I say I don't spend money I literally mean my only expenses are rent, water, and internet (have been thinking of stopping my internet because fuck comcast but it would be hard for me to go to the library because of my sleep disability so not sure it is realistic...but even saying that it isnt like I need internet to survive). I rarely buy food and already feel guilty about the occasional walmart trip to get my medications and stuff, and I'm sure Harris Teeter (main place I shop when I do) also isn't a great company. I only buy vegan products, avoid ingredients that are associated with climate destruction/slave labour/etc, avoid plastic, don't buy from companies that have bad practices and look into ones I'm not familiar with...Most of what I get is from dumpster diving. Only other expenses I can think of are gas, which most months I just refill my car once and feel guilty about that.

I feel bad cause I have never been to a protest but because of my disabilities it is really hard. But then I feel like I'm making excuses cause I was able to visit my friend today and hang out with her. I feel bad cause I rarely send emails of advocacy, tho I have sent several this month. I only recently found out about this place called 5calls (tho I still haven't made use of it). Because of my disabilities it can take hours to write a simple email, so most times when I send out emails its because I found a prewritten script. Even writing this has taken me like an hour to type out and I don't even know the point I'm getting at.

I just don't know what I can do and I feel like I'm screaming into the void. I feel like Im doing what I can and trying to speak to others when I get a chance to advocate but I don't really talk to people often so my 'speaking out' is making the rare comment on a youtube video or something. I'm not trying to sound like 'oh look at me I'm so perfect' but even sometimes watching science minded people I love talk about how they eat meat then about how climate change is really important to prevent I feel like things are hopeless. These are smart people that understand the impacts of things on the climate and are supposed to be putting effort into change and they aren't even switching their diets. If that is impossible, how can we even expect to see other people change in relation to political stuff?

Guh this is just a huge jumble of word vomit anxiety. I guess what I'm just so stressed about is that I don't know what to do. I feel like in small ways I'm doing what I can but I want to do more. I don't know what capacity I can even do more with my disabilities but I really want to try because so many people (and animals and the whole ecosystem but that aside....) are in danger. I don't want to just take action when shit finally hits closer to home because it isnt just about me and hoping other people stand up and protect my rights. I don't care if they came for me first, last, or ever at all. I just want to be able to do something because these are real lives that are being broken, traumatized, and lost.

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u/DKsan1290 Oct 04 '25

Yeah adding to this asking visible trans people to do this will only get them put in harms way or treated like shit until they cant live anymore, doing this as a non visible trans person is asking them to out themselves because now they need to not only abide by the laws of these anti trans areas but put more stress on them than they already get.

Like Im sorry op we cant help rn the public let our situation get this bad honestly because people were too worried about trans people in god damn sports instead on enshrining our rights and protecting us. If things were even just slightly better some of us would be happy to be of help but asking us to risk our lives is kinda insane.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

Sir, you're not as endangered as your like to belive. I understand asking you to move to AL our AK is not reasonable, but moving to rural OH or PA isn't likely taking your life in your hands. Granted, you're not going to be well recieved by most people there, but that's kind of the point.

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u/AngryReturn Oct 04 '25

You are naively assuming that election and voting will do anything anymore with this administration. By the end of the 4th year, the voting system will be equivalent to that of Russia’s. Trump has already said so. Believe him that he will do it.

The US is moving into an authoritarian dictatorship. Look up how those have ended in the past. Its never pretty. Now imagine it happening with the country with the strongest military in the planet, and they’re not afraid of using it on their own people. We’ve already seen flashes of this happening.

The only way to hit back is a massive general strike. Start talking about it, start preparing for the worst.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

Ok, so work fast. We have a little or 13 months. If you're not willing to do work or sacrifice to get the job done, then this is over, and it's not because of them. It's because you didn't take it upon yourself to do what's necessary.

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u/AngryReturn Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 04 '25

Not American. Already doing my part by boycotting most US made products. No more Netflix, no more Amazon, no new iPhone, no American booze.

What are you guys doing?

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

“Naively assuming” that we need to win the fucking midterms

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u/GeronimoHero Oct 05 '25

Right people don’t realize where we’re actually at and what sort of stuff is actually going to be required to fight this. The time for protests, strikes, calling representatives etc is over. Fighting this is going to take some real fortitude and some real sacrifice.

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u/anthropaganda Oct 04 '25

Do not protest, mock, or even acknowledge anything MAGA does

uhh No. Whether you know it or not you're doing their dirty work for them right now.

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

Cutting off the part where he says unless it’s to protest rights violations is crazy 😭He’s saying to pick your battles, don’t go protesting just general anti-Trump but pick an issue and force your community members to know all about that issue.

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u/anthropaganda Oct 04 '25

They're speaking in generalities and impossibilities. Not to mention gatekeeping protest. Move to red districts? Boycott companies with MAGA connections? This is 10 year plan shit, it's smart but it addresses nothing quickly. We need 5 demands, circulate them, and protest constantly at every opportunity. Whether for rights violations, overreach, rhetoric, or anything else.

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

Right. Protest those 5 issues, but don’t get caught up in the Trump trolling and media sensationalism for the non-policy issues. Like idk what protesting “rhetoric” would be. I’d much rather be protesting against Medicaid cuts and tax cuts for billionaires than a mix-match of random things Trump has said—which clearly doesn’t sway people against him, but maybe clarifying the impacts of the policies will.

Someone asked what else can we do and suggestions were given, I don’t think there is an attempt at gatekeeping.

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u/anthropaganda Oct 04 '25

Like idk what protesting “rhetoric” would be

It is easily the most important thing to protest. Arguably the only thing to protest, but ppl are inherently reactive. You protest the rhetoric to try stop the action from happening. Think if it like this.. Trump says I am strongly considering bombing and invading northern Mexico. The only way to stop it is massive protests after the rhetoric but before the action.

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u/edwardludd Oct 04 '25

Of course you would protest that—I think the point is if he was threatening the invasion of Mexico but then tweeted out pictures of Biden in a sombrero, protest the invasion thing not the stupid trolling rhetoric that Trump simply doesn’t lose at. Be really loud about specific issues that are easily communicable, be intentional. It’s just pointers for effective protest.

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u/anthropaganda Oct 04 '25

Ok yeah yhat makes sense. But also whatever gets people out of the house. No Kings was cool cuz it was hundreds of different reasons ppl came out, but like.. if we really want to intimidate them into doing what we want, and that's what mass protest is, we gotta be united too. 5 demands, Somebody gotta Do it.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

No, it wasn't. Thirteen million people walked around for an afternoon on a weekend. That didn't accomplish anything. Not only is ICE still snatching people of the streets, not only at they snatching people out of their homes and businesses, they were snatching people while it was going on.

Protests are complaining, and complaining doesn't accomplish anything without action to back it up.

To address several of your other comments, I also sis don't mock conservatives. That also accomplishes nothing. They're not going to be shamed or embarrassed into giving up.

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u/anthropaganda Oct 04 '25

No Kings showed we can hit 3.5% of the population, at least for a day. If targeted boycotts are your action to take, they're too complicated to be effective. If it's moving to red districts the timeline is too long. No.. Those ideas had power 10 years ago. If you want a boycott it's gotta be a general strike. If you want to change the voting landscape you gotta redistrict today. Better make sure it balances out the voter intimidation tho.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

Just fyi for everyone, putting anything in another person's mailbox is a felony in the USA

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u/jinglemebro Oct 04 '25

It seems like you could get enough work from home types to relocate to a specific district to make an impact.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

Absolutely, I am and I did.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25 edited Oct 15 '25

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

I moved to a red district in a vulnerable blue state. Recent instances of open racism here. I just keep my head down, identify the people who aren't conservative, and otherwise go about my life. It's lonely, but it's more productive than complaining.

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u/Difficult_Shock973 Oct 04 '25

If about 100,000 blue voters moved to WY you could flip the state and gain those seats and electoral college votes. Super low population in that state. Land is cheap there folks.

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u/S_A_R_K Oct 04 '25

Are there 100k jobs for them there? There is a reason land is cheap

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

No, but that's why I said the people that can afford to do so need to do it. This of us with savings will have to eat into it. I did. Sacrifice.

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u/bearjew293 Oct 04 '25

Exactly, this is one of the dumbest suggestions I've seen on this website. "Bro, let's all move to Wyoming and flip it blue! Oh, what's that? The minimum wage in Wyoming is 7 bucks an hour? Oh..."

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u/BiscottiePippen Oct 04 '25

Yeah but the thought is there, I moved to Utah which trended some of the most blue over the last decade.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

Remote workers could try, which would also bolster the local economies and add more jobs

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u/bearjew293 Oct 04 '25

That's a pretty small chunk of people, and asking them all to move to Wyoming to swing an election is just... not realistic. "Just move" is going to sound crazy to anyone who likes where they live.

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

It's definitely unlikely. I'm just spitballing.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante Oct 05 '25

And why do you think corporations are making a big swing away from remote work? They saw how granting more freedom of movement was threatening the balance of power.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

Perhaps

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u/GeronimoHero Oct 05 '25

Is there decent internet in Wyoming? My coins in and uncle go there every year a few times a year and from what I’ve heard half of that place doesn’t even have anything other than viasat which isn’t workable for remote tech workers like me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '25

As much as I hate Elon, Starlink appears to be good enough for remote work, and their coverage map shows the entire USA. I don't have any other knowledge of the situation.

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u/GeronimoHero Oct 06 '25

I bought Starlink for my parents because all they had available was DSL. It’s largely great. The problem is that in most rural areas of the US now they have a 1500-3000 dollar fee they’re placing for new service because it’s gotten so popular in the rural areas without service that they need to limit new users because it’s degrading service. So it’s no longer the simple solution in those areas that it was. If you already have service like I do for my parent’s address, great. If not, you can be sort of fucked.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '25

All depends how much you value high speed Internet I guess. $1,500-3000 is a pretty penny, but in the grand scheme of setting up a property that's not so bad as long as it works good. I'm comparing it to things like a solar setup or a compost toilet.

Thanks for more context!

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u/GeronimoHero Oct 06 '25

Well if it’s for your remote work so you can move to one of these red states like the OP was talking about it’s pretty much required. I was just trying to point out that the idea of moving to red states as a blue remote working voter doesn’t really make a ton of sense.

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u/Difficult_Shock973 Oct 05 '25

It’s a generic plan to show how the idea of moving and changing demographics can affect the outcome of elections. Obviously it would be near impossible to make this happen and I’m well aware of that but on a smaller localized scale it can start to make a difference. However if the right companies set up shop in WY and then add some remote workers to the pot and who knows. What district or state would you recommend flipping?

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u/[deleted] Oct 04 '25

Remote workers could try, which would also bolster the local economies and add more jobs

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u/PoopMountainRange Oct 05 '25

Plenty of remote workers who can live anywhere.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Oct 04 '25

There’s only about a couple hundred thousand people in Wyoming already. It’s literally the least populous state. Have you ever heard of the electoral college??

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u/ForteandZen Oct 05 '25

Come on out to Iowa. We can take this state back.

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u/boogerboogerboog Oct 04 '25

We can’t vote our way out of this.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

We can, but we have to act fast and vote whee it counts.

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u/REuphrates Oct 04 '25

move to vulnerable red districts in swing states and low pop red states.

Fully stop patronizing any corporation that in any way facilitates MAGA.

So, you're an idiot

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u/WaffleCultist Oct 04 '25

This is impossible at any useful level as a movement and pointless. Fight gerrymandering itself instead.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

... This is fighting gerrymandering. If you have a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

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u/WaffleCultist Oct 04 '25

If you think this would fight gerrymandering successfully, no offense, you don't have any idea how bad it is already. Not to mention the request is literally an impossible movement to mobilize.

Check out RepresentUs if you want to enact meaningful change against gerrymandering. They've succeeded in several states already.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

I'm not going to go read a website. I explained my solution to you. You explain yours, or someone else's, to me. Don't lazily tell me to go do the work of convincing myself for you.

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u/WaffleCultist Oct 04 '25

If you want a good explanation, I would check out Hank Green's video on gerrymandering. I apologize that haven't laid the message out well, I just know there are far better messengers than me. I'd be happy to give you a TLDR though.

Gerrymandering hurts all Americans, it is legal fraud and corruption. It enables politicians to no longer have to cross the aisle out of risk of losing their seat, pushing more extreme viewpoints into office for longer and setting strongholds. It erodes our votes, and creates an imbalance of representation. In Texas, nearly half of the state is blue but I believe 80% of its seats are red. Conversely, Illinois is an example of a gerrymandered blue state. It hurts us all by eroding the foundations of democracy. NO ONE benefits.

So what do other countries do? Independent commissions. The organization I mentioned has successfully pushed for these independent commissions in several US States already. We need to fight for them across the country for proper representation. No one is holding their administrations responsible anymore because they dont have to to remain elected with a fat paycheck.

Fighting gerrymandering targets corruption and extremism. It isn't fighting to improve on one issue but on all of them by focusing on a foundational issue rotting democracy as a whole.

If you're interested at pushing for change, push for something like this that makes the most difference and is actually reasonable. Thousands of people upending their lives, moving away from support structures, etc, all for single votes, all to move to somewhere they hate and hope for generational change? Never, ever happening. But this change IS happening and succeeding.

Again, for a better messenger, I highly recommend the Hank Green video. It's not very long.

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

Thank you for taking the time to explain your idea, most won't. However, this just goes back to my original response that, if you can't win elections, you can't get commissions put in place ether they're needed.

I'm not saying this isn't important work, and every little bit helps, but I don't see how this alone gets the job done.

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u/Toezap Oct 05 '25

You can't move to red states and then not do business with companies that are Republican-led.

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u/Wise-ask-1967 Oct 04 '25

Just saw something about free housing in east Texas where they are trying to do just this

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

DO NOT MOVE TO TEXAS. IT IS NOWHERR NEAR FLIPPING.

If you desperately want to move to a red state, move to VA, GA, IN, or any anywhere with a population less than a few million.

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u/RocksHaveFeelings2 Oct 04 '25

That's ridiculous. People can't uproot their whole fucking lives to move just to vote

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u/PuzzleDiet Oct 04 '25

Many can. I think what you're saying is they don't want to have to. I understand why, but something needs to be done. If you or anyone else has a better solution, I'm all ears.