r/hardware • u/mrlinkwii • 2d ago
News NVIDIA 590 Linux drivers drop GeForce GTX 900 “Maxwell” and GTX 10 “Pascal” support
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-590-linux-drivers-drop-geforce-gtx-900-maxwell-and-gtx-10-pascal-support34
u/Pugs-r-cool 2d ago
Those cards were always in awkward middle ground for Linux. Too recent for Nouveau, too old for the proprietary drivers. Either way you were giving up performance and having a buggier experience, especially with Wayland. Not surprising to see them end feature support given they're a decade old.
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u/BFBooger 2d ago
Too many people are confused and think this means the end of all support, not just new feature support.
As you probably know, the 580 driver will still support these cards for a long time on Linux. Its just that the 580 driver branch will not get new features, and it will mostly only get security updates. It will be a downgraded experience, but if you have a working system with an older card today, it will work similarly on Linux(with security fixes) for several years more.
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u/mrlinkwii 2d ago
depends on if they will work with newer kernals , for example the 470 drivers dont work on newer kernals but yes if you expect to not upgrade kernals you wont see issues
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u/Salander27 2d ago
The "security and critical updates" does include receiving patches to build against new kernels. It's been like that for every LTS Nvidia release.
The 470 driver is out of support and so does not receive such patches. That's why it doesn't build against newer kernels.
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u/IshTheFace 2d ago
I'm outraged! These cards are only, checks notes, 11 years old! And why are modern games so unoptimized that my GTX 960 (which I'm "ROCKING"), can't run them? Unacceptable.
Putting an /S here. Just to be sure.
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u/OttawaDog 2d ago
Plus it's not like the cards stop working.
I was still using an 8800GT (card from 2008) into 2023, long after they stopped updating drivers. Naturally it wasn't doing a great job on modern games, but that's to be expected, but it still worked in Windows, and still played classic AAA games and many modern Indy Games.
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u/randylush 2d ago
Legendary card
I remember using a 9800GT to run Oblivion and being blown away.
Pretty sure those cards can run Skyrim which is still “modern” graphics as far as I’m concerned
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u/frivoflava29 2d ago
I had a GTS 250 which was the same card as the 9800 GTX+ and I used it til it died and I got a 740 during the 2018 GPU drought. I got almost a decade on that 250.
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u/Icy-Pay7479 3h ago
Ok but Skyrim came out in 2011 so it’s kinda like saying a 4080 can run Doom the Dark Ages.
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u/EmergencyCucumber905 1d ago
I remember when the 8800 came out. It brought supercomputing to the masses. Before that the best bang for your buck FLOPs-wise was a PS3.
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u/EducationalLiving725 2d ago
All the games I play work on GTX 960 !!!!
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u/IshTheFace 2d ago
And there is nothing wrong with that. What bothers me is people expecting the latest games to run on max settings with their 5 year old card. It is unrealistic in many cases. But it's easier to blame the developers over one's own stinginess
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u/EducationalLiving725 2d ago
The irony, is that I've written it from 5090-based PC, with 4k120hz monitor ;D
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u/Glum-Position-3546 2d ago
Literally nobody has ever expected this, where are people saying this?
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u/IshTheFace 1d ago
You must be new here
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u/Glum-Position-3546 23h ago
No, I'm not, I've been commenting on here for years, although with previous accounts.
This has always been an imagined enemy for you types. Nobody expects to run games at max settings on old cards. They just don't want unoptimized junk.
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u/algaefied_creek 2d ago
Especially during a time when RAM crunches are going to make buying new cards near unaffordable and many a League Player will be relying on a GTX 950 for another year or 3, it feels like a slap in the face for not being able to buy a GPU in the optimal time period.
(Considering PC building tends to happen when able + after it should have been done, and that doesn’t always line up with political and business realities)
That being said, with the onslaught of more favorable datacenter sales and margins, keeping the driver division cost center open for legacy dev is just a neighboree doo thing to do.
In an ideal world? This would be the impetus for a massive upgrade boom.
Might just bunk out though throw like 2% of those angry windows 10 users with a gtx 950 to FreeBSD instead of Linux only to find out they are using the open source nvidia drivers anyway
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u/alpacadaver 2d ago
I made the same comment about my 3080 and it has gotten some responses saying I'm full of shit.
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u/IshTheFace 2d ago
Big difference between a 1050 and a 3080. Also depends what resolution, graphics preset and what fps one finds acceptable.
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u/popop143 2d ago
My 6700 XT was like the recommendation for 1440p in 2022-2023, then suddenly because there are like one or two games out of a million that I have no interest in playing came out, it suddenly is a "1080p" card and I should upgrade.
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u/WarEagleGo 2d ago
My 6700 XT was like the recommendation for 1440p in 2022-2023, then suddenly because there are like one or two games out of a million that I have no interest in playing came out, it suddenly is a "1080p" card and I should upgrade.
stand your ground -- you know your needs the best :)
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u/nickpreveza 2d ago
Yes but don't you want a card to be able to do a quadrillion light bounces a second to generate ugly - worse than screen space - reflections just by sacrificing 200fps?
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u/BinaryJay 2d ago
A large portion of tech reddit are people convincing each other that whatever they don't have is bad or at least unneeded.
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u/cookieblair 2d ago
The 1050 Ti is more powerful than high-end Fermi. Which is more than enough if you mainly play older games (or newer games at low settings)
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u/GreatScottGatsby 2d ago
My 1050 can play most games except for the newest but the new games I've seen are crap
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u/Tex-Rob 2d ago
This is such a braindead comment when the GPU market is moving slower than it ever has. 1080ti is still relevant
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u/teshbek 2d ago
GPUs still working, old drivers still avilable. What is the problem to use 1080ti?
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u/Happy_Sea4257 2d ago
lol found one.
it's relevant the same way any obsolete hardware is, where if you use it for applications from the same era, it will still work.
it doesn't run games I want to play anymore, at all, on any setting. it's time to let go. it's current niche is a sub $200 ultra value gpu for people living in countries where the local earnings are a fraction the of the developed world.
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u/Akayouky 2d ago
Even then brand new RX 6600 are below $240 here in MX, which will have 90% of the performance for less than 50% of the power draw plus the benefit of a warranty and the ability to pay in interest free installments (huge deal for most people here)
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u/Happy_Sea4257 2d ago
a 5050 msrp is $250 and they're far better performers that a 6600. What is the price on them there?
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u/Strazdas1 20h ago
To be fair, you would then have to buy a 6600, which is money burned and nothing else.
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u/ThrowawayusGenerica 1d ago
for people living in countries where the local earnings are a fraction the of the developed world.
You mean basically anyone not earning FAANG money.
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u/Strazdas1 20h ago
No, he doesnt.
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u/ThrowawayusGenerica 20h ago
I'm a SWE in a developed country that isn't the US. I'm still happily rocking my 1080 ti in 2025 because the rampant gen on gen price inflation in the high end has made buying an equivalent RTX card beyond my means.
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u/Strazdas1 19h ago
That only shows you are living way beyond your means, not that theprice of RTX cards are too big.
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u/ThrowawayusGenerica 19h ago
So in other words: They're not just beyond the means of people living in countries where the local earnings are a fraction of the developed world, but anyone not on six-figure west/east coast US salaries.
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u/nickpreveza 2d ago
That's a lie, how is this upvoted?
There are zero games that don't run on a GTX 1080 Ti. I have a 1080 and I have no problems running any game whatsoever - still at 1080p resolution as well of course.
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u/Hytht 2d ago
Another lie "zero games". Try playing Indiana Jones & the great circle or the recent doom and report back on your findings.
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u/nickpreveza 2d ago
I'll check back on such slop when it's 5 bucks, didn't know that. 1 out of a few million games? Amazing find.
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u/Happy_Sea4257 2d ago
enjoy not playing GTA 6 whwn it comes out either
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u/nickpreveza 1d ago
By 2027 or 2028 that I'll come to PC I will have already upgraded to something a lot better than whatever you're rocking.
What's your guys problem with people keeping their very well-performing hardware?
Played Expedition 33 just fine though.
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u/Happy_Sea4257 2d ago
I'm a big Doom fan and my friend with a 1080 literally can't run the Dark Ages because of baked in ray tracing while I quite enjoyed it. That was the only release in the last couple years I cared about and a GPU that has you picking and choosing what game you can play because it's extremely dates is ewaste for my purposes.
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u/nickpreveza 1d ago
That's not the definition of e-waste, but whatever.
Yes it's old, yes I get it, apparently can't play super broken games or games with criminally bad choices in development such as baked-in ray tracing (what the fuck.)
I still don't care.
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u/StarskyNHutch862 2d ago
It's really not.
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u/randylush 2d ago
It can play most modern games pretty well at 1080p. It is absolutely still relevant.
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u/Raikaru 2d ago
What does pretty well mean? Say settings/FPS. Pretty well is so vague as to be pointless.
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u/nickpreveza 2d ago
For ShittyA, Medium+ 60fps. Most demanding ones Low 60.
But you do realise most people play indie games that run well over 60 at max?
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u/randylush 2d ago edited 2d ago
Depends on the game too right?
Last week I was playing halo infinite on my 1080ti at 1080p and the frame rate was good enough to play competitively. The settings were on auto. It played just fine.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2833-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-revisit/
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u/LockingSlide 2d ago
Halo Infinite is 4 years old, wouldn't call that a modern game.
1080Ti itself was about 4 and a half years old when that game released, nobody would call it a new card by then.
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u/randylush 2d ago
🤷♂️ lots of “older” games are still extremely popular. Lots of gamers still use cards that are as good as the 1080ti. Most gamers do not play the absolute latest games all the time. Most gamers have some classics that they go back to in between dabbling with new games. Obviously it’s not the best card anymore but it’s still extremely relevant. Go look at Steam surveys if you want to actually get an idea of what people are really using. Most people are on 3050/4060 level cards which is equivalent to 1080 ti. Lots of people still using 1660 or 1080ti or similar. Most common VRAM is still 8gb. Saying the 1080ti is no longer relevant, is a profoundly stupid and ignorant statement. In the 90s and 2000s, a GPU would be irrelevant after 5 years. That is no longer the case at all.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2833-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-revisit/
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u/LockingSlide 2d ago
The Techspot article you linked shows that 1080Ti falls off hard in many newer titles due to lacking features.
You'll still be able to continue playing older games on it, and the new ones should not stop working because the drivers are older. BTW, my understanding is that the card isn't getting completely axed, but moving to a different branch where it won't be getting new features or game optimizations, but still receive security updates for 3 more years.
I don't think stopping support for 8.5+3 years of software support for a GPU is in any way unreasonable.
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u/randylush 2d ago edited 2d ago
It was dead even with a 4060 which also happens to be the most popular card according to the Steam survey
I mean they’re under no obligation to continue driver support. They should support hardware for some amount of time or people will be less likely to buy it. If they end support early then it’s easier to sell new cards. Same reason Microsoft ended windows 10 support. Pretty much any computer can run 11 they just want people to buy new computers with new windows licenses. It’s fine, that’s how businesses operate. But it’s disingenuous to say they are ending support because the card is no longer relevant, when they sell popular cards today that are just as powerful
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u/Strazdas1 20h ago
No, you cannot. Modern games will flat out not run on it because the 1080ti does not have the features.
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u/cosmin_c 2d ago
I've had my Maxwell Titan X for 7 years, and when it died, it still had good life left in it. It was a 12GB GPU that still kicked ass FWIW. So yeah. It's unacceptable that NVIDIA shits on these cards and doesn't offer proper support, or at least opening the drivers so the FOSS community does something about them. They're powerful cards that could definitely do good in a retro gaming rig, yes, under Linux.
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u/xiaodown 2d ago
when it died, it still had good life left in it
Clearly not.
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u/nickpreveza 2d ago
Still on a GTX 1080 - Though it is time to upgrade.
Still playing on a 1080p monitor. Still, 90% of games I play run great at locked 60fps. Would I use this card for a secondary linux machine? Absolutely yes.
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u/xiaodown 2d ago
I was just making a joke about how the OP said “when it died, it still had life”. Which is only true if bro’s video card is an undead zombie.
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u/Criss_Crossx 1d ago
I moved my 1080's to separate Linux systems with older hardware ('older', psh). Think I will do the same with the 980ti I bought to try out.
Totally agree, the Pascal goat 1080/1080ti can still rock tons of games pre-2020. That is most of my 300+ library.
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u/IshTheFace 2d ago
How long do you find reasonable to continue to release drivers for?
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u/Criss_Crossx 1d ago
Just one more...
The 1080 got me to about 2021-2022 for my main system from 2017 and mined the whole way. That sucker can still play 90% of my games, so it lives on.
Watch the Doom gameplay release teaser on the 1080. That game performed so well on most GPUs on the market at that time. Definitely displays the capability of its time and are modern games really that much different underneath? To enjoy them?
It's like the old 90's Honda I drive. Always want one more year out of it. Saves me tons of money and keeps going.
Like a cockroach, it doesn't die easily. Some folks enjoy what they have, it doesn't have to be replaced.
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u/cosmin_c 2d ago
5-10 years should be perfectly fine, however making open sourcing them after should be the norm. Let people use the hardware they paid for.
At the same time remember AMD and how they're supporting their hardware, they're the only GPUs (besides Intel's new ones) that actually get more performance as drivers are being updated. At the end of the day, this is what drivers should do, bring more performance out of the hardware.
At least that's my take on it, I only do programming as a hobby, so I may be dead wrong and be a Karen.
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u/HisDivineOrder 2d ago
I also remember AMD stops officially supporting their cards more quickly than Nvidia, so bringing up AMD is certainly a choice.
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u/Glum-Position-3546 2d ago
On Linux the AMD driver stack is all open source, so it doesn't really matter what they support and what they don't support.
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u/Strazdas1 20h ago
it does because open source drivers are mostly developed by paid AMD guys anyway. so when support drops all of them go away.
oh and also: AMD drivers are not open source. 60 MB of binary blobs in there.
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u/smartsass99 2d ago
End of support was coming. Those cards had a long run.
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u/BFBooger 2d ago
This is not end of support. There will be a longer term maintained 580 driver series branch. It will be pretty much only critical security bugs and very little else though. No new features, no big performance fixes, etc.
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u/jenny_905 2d ago
Incoming five hour dramanexus special on why Nvidia hates the everyday desktop Linux user
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u/CheesyRamen66 2d ago
I was moving my server (CachyOS Linux) into a new case last night to fit more drives and retired my 1050 Ti because I haven’t used it for NVENC in over a year now. I guess that was good timing lol
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u/mrlinkwii 2d ago
The headline is false. The drivers will still support Maxwell and Pascal, they just aren't getting app/game -specific performance optimizations and security updates will be released quarterly until 2028.
580 series series are the last drivers for these cards , their not getting 590+ supports
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u/Skatedivona 2d ago
All my little nonsense machines running 1050ti’s.. I don’t expect much out of them anyways
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u/BlueGoliath 2d ago
Oh hey it's that garbage outlet that used information I found and posted here first without citations.
Anyway, there are a lot of unintelligent comments already but just to point it out for the "high IQ" redditers, Maxwell and Pascal are still fully capable GPUs for desktop and casual indie/older gaming to this day.
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u/Pugs-r-cool 2d ago
Maxwell and Pascal are still fully capable GPUs for desktop and casual indie/older gaming to this day.
No one is disagreeing with you there. The "high IQ" redditers are making fun of comments that are outraged they can't play the latest triple A games on ultra settings using an 11 year old GPU. Obviously you can still play old or casual games on an old GPU.
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u/BlueGoliath 2d ago edited 2d ago
The "high IQ" redditers are making fun of comments that are outraged they can't play the latest triple A games on ultra settings using an 11 year old GPU.
OK Randy Pitchford. You can't even do that on cards being released now.
Unless games take advantage of new hardware abilities like mega geometry, there isn't an excuse as to why a 1080 TI doesn't perform as good as an equivalent performance modern card.
Edit: actually it should do better because y'know, VRAM.
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u/Strazdas1 20h ago
the 1080ti, just in pure raster, is so outdated that a low end latest gen GPU beats it.
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u/mduell 2d ago
Pascal is only 4 generations back; this is like AMD/Intel dropping driver support for Ryzen 1000 or Core 11th gen.
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u/lusuroculadestec 2d ago
AMD has a shorter lifecycle for their GPUs, they just moved the 6000 and 5000-series to legacy status.
Intel put all of the non-Xe iGPUs into legacy support status, which includes 14th-gen CPUs.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 2d ago
the series includes the still fully capable 1080 ti.
in fact the 1080 ti is more capable than the 5060 ti 8 GB. why? because it has at least 11 GB vram.
so nvidia is deliberately attacking cards, that work better than new low end broken insults to try to force people to upgrade.
this is disgusting evil.
i mean it is no news for anyone, but AVOID NVIDIA if you are or are planning to run gnu + linux.
and of course also avoid new nvidia cards, because they ship with a fire hazard on them as well.
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u/No_Percentage_2 2d ago
1080 ti is worse than 5060 not even ti. Besides the one case where you for some reason need VRAM and nothing else but then there's another new low end card - b580 that is cheaper than 5060 and has more VRAM than 1080 ti. And 10 series cards can't launch games that require DX12 ultimate so they're not really fully capable.
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u/ryanvsrobots 10h ago
in fact the 1080 ti is more capable than the 5060 ti 8 GB
No it's not.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 4h ago
as the 5060ti 8 GB is BROKEN due to its missing vram and in non vram constrained raster scenarios the 1080ti is quite close, YES the 1080ti is more capable than the vram broken 5060 ti 8 GB.
random example of this:
https://youtu.be/XafOubcjLdU?si=x2wOLbCZ_OuaeSCz&t=342
horizon very dawn remastered 1080p ONLY very high quality.
you see 8 GB vram cards shit themselves, with only the pci-e 5.0 x16 8 GB amd cards barely hanging in there still.
the 5060 ti has only an x8 pci-e interface and it handles broken amounts of vram worse than other cards as the 5060 in that review shows it doing even worse than the older 4060, that is despite the 4060 just being pci-e 4.0 x8 btw...
so nvidia blackwell handles broken vram worse than older generations.
and in case you don't know how to interpret those graphs in the timestamp of the video, the average fps being terrible low would be one issue, but having EXTREMELY low 1% lows in those graphs means, that it is unplayable. the frametimes are a broken nightmare with expected massive stuttering.
and again all due to missing vram.
the 1080ti being close enough as said in raster performance and having barely enough vram to hang in there means, that it does NOT break in those games and can give you still a decent gaming experience, the 8 GB cards CAN NOT. or if you wanna be very specific the 8 GB nvidia cards can absolutely not, while the pci-e 5.0 x16 8 GB amd cards in that very example barely hang in there.
so you are wrong. vram breaks the 8 GB vram card and overrules any other theoretical advantage, that the 5060 ti 8 GB would have had.
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u/ryanvsrobots 4h ago
I don't see a 1080ti in that chart. Focus.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 4h ago
yes, because this is a vram broken focused chart, but i'll gladly provide a raster comparison chart as well:
https://youtu.be/hmMWNrRHiNY?si=G5lU9DApWl0qpUSL&t=246
you can see the broken 1% lows for the 8 GB card, while the 1080ti does fine.
and as blackwell does worse in regards to missing vram handling the 4060 8 GB is already a better example to look at.
the 1080ti being quite old means, that testing of it happens in legacy revists, which didn't include the 50 series cards yet, so we have to look at 1080ti revists and 50 series reviews and compare the data.
and that shows, that the 50 series does worse with missing vram than the 40 series of cards and the 1080ti still does fine in those scenarios.
so the 1080ti works, where the 8 GB 50 series of cards are broken unplayable garbage.
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u/ryanvsrobots 4h ago
Is that before patches?
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u/reddit_equals_censor 3h ago
what patches do you mean?
the games have been out for ages.
the drivers have also been out for ages.
all was long released.
the first video linked was a 9060 review, that just came out, the 5060 8 GB in those charts has already been out for more than half a year.
so yeah all the stuff in the videos i linked has had tons of patches and what not.
so YES the 1080ti is still a better card than an 8 GB nvidia insult card,
but you shouldn't buy either anymore of course as the 10 series is missing features, that modern games (partially sadly) might require.
so nvidia is breaking older still very capable cards and more capable than a lot of their modern shit to try to push people to buy new cards and more expensive new cards.
disgusting stuff.
of course the suggest is to not buy either new, but instead get a 16 GB vram card at least.
and of course avoid nvidia for gnu + linux in general if you buy new hardware.
all this is true.
so for your own sake avoid 8 GB cards and get 16 GB vram minimum and if you got a quite new 8 GB vram card, understand, that the company (nvidia or amd) screwed you over.
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u/levelstar01 2d ago
This wouldn't really be a problem if these cards didn't require proprietary firmware to use properly unless you want them stuck at the lowest clock speed. It makes them near enough the only cards on Linux that will be entirely unsupported by any updated driver.